User talk:Didodo - Wikipedia

I have blocked this account as you have signed your comments as Fadix, a banned user. Your comments there have also been removed. John Vandenberg (talk) 04:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Kind of expected you'd be the one blocking the account. But your removal of evidence under the pretext of banned user was yet the sort of thing stupid admins like you do.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Didodo (talk • contribs) 07:18, 25 February 2008

I did it simply because I was the first to see it and respond. Removing "evidence" by banned users is SOP; I didnt even read it so I have no idea what you wrote, nor am I going to take the time to read it. If you think you have something to add, you should pass it onto a user who isnt banned, such as VartanM, who can review and distil it down to what is appropriate to add. Your direct involvement on Wikipedia is not wanted. John Vandenberg (talk) 11:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Then you should (read it), and you should apologize to Fedayee, Khoikhoi and all the users you have slinged mud on. As Vartan clearly established that Ehud was Londium who was previously banned by Alex as a sock of Adil and unbanned later thanks to again an ill faithed attempt to have him unbanned. As for your reference to SOP. You know that's nice, this is the usual answer a programmed robot with no individuality will refer to, the Reich would have liked to have people like you on it's rank.

My direct involvement may not be wanted, but it is needed. I do not recognize the legtimity of the ban and find what is happening here to be very harmful, I'm simply using Ignore all Rules..., again. Like I said previously, since I do not recognize the validity of the decision toward me, I see no reason to hide myself behind multiple socks and by the same occasion show what is the price for admitting you're a banned user and what is the advantage to be dishonnest and return with fake identities.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Didodo (talk • contribs) 15:21, 25 February 2008

As I said, you should have passed your information onto another user who isnt banned. VartanM has now restored it, which is good enough for me.

I am not acting as a robot, it is merely that you are banned, and I trust that Arbcom did the right thing in banning you. Please, endure your ban in silence, or better yet get involved in another Wikimedia project, and I will personally welcome you back at the end of a year.

btw, I've not slung mud on those users; I issued a short block to Fedayee and questioned the events surrounding Khoikhoi's block. That is all. John Vandenberg (talk) 08:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Fadix posted this here. I've removed it, and linked to the current version. John Vandenberg (talk) 08:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Do you think that the Arbcom will give you flowers for your trust? The whole thing only made me respect Thatcher, who in spite of having seen me post in the evidence page and criticise him, he never removed the thing. In spite of having Atabek request a reset on his userpage he did not answer. You on the other hand should have your administrative privilages revoked. I personally accuse you to be partially responsable of Hajji departure, who had to deal with all those continual intimidations, but on top of that have you on his back reverting and attempting to have his articles deleted.

John, something you should answer, why did you include all those names in the new checkusers and overemphasised on Ehud? No one requested those, did they? And WHY DID YOU EXCLUDE the IP from Washington? You know Vartan wants that and only that, the new account AND Adil Wikisource. The rest will come probably negative, Adil is not dumb, don't you know that?

Also, I hope the arbitration will take note of the second point of Grandmaster here if the checkusers comes positive as an evidence that their goal is to unblock Ehud and wants to now dissociate Ehud from the rest. They want to unblock Ehud for the reason that Adil has been using one of his associate name (Lesar) to edit on Wikipedia and that if ever they found out it'll be a huge embarassement for him. That's the only reason why they pushed and abused again the system.

More, notice how Grandmaster did not add Merjanov in the checkusers [1] even thought he also reappeared with him. How many editors you guys use to straw puppet? And Grandmaster we know Verjakette was not an Armenian, don't bring him in. He was created to mimike me and dump me in your checkusers request. The truth from a Turks fingers. [2]

The goal of the straw puppets are to divert the attention, and even serve for them to create articles which will otherwise create controversies or be requested for deletion. Such as the creation of the article on the formost Armenophobe who was created by one of those socks. They created him, then created a controversy between those socks and them..., finally checkusers and get rid of him. The goal was achieved the article was created and now they can work on it. Grandmaster always wanted to rewrite the Artsakh article, here is his chance with those socks.

Grandmaster, your justifications about the oil compagny owning it is laughable, of course they own it, it<s what their employee uses to access the internet.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Didodo (talk • contribs) 14:13, 26 February 2008

Aren't you jumping to conclusion a little too quickly? Malice? No, from Antranikpasha case where you proxied for Grandmaster, I just supposed that in this case it may have been possible that Grandmaster asked to to fill the checkuser with those names.

The people jumping to conclusions is those who believe that I was directed or assisted by Grandmaster on the Antranikpasha case. I have clearly stated what limited involvement he had in it, and it is the truth. There is of course little that can be done to prove or disprove what I say conclusively, but a user in good standing could ask lar for his personal opinion on that (privately perhaps).

You believe I should have my sysop capabilities removed, yet nobody has ever come to me with a rationale explanation of what action I have done that is inappropriate, and been willing to discuss it with me like a rationale human being. I have undone a few of my admin actions, and will do so again if someone can persuade me. But long jumbled requests, esp. when full of bad faith and accusations of gross negligence, are not something I take seriously. I do not have bad feelings towards any set of users, and I dont do actions on behalf of others; I always carefully review the options and act on my own volition irrespective of what pressure is applied from various sides of a debate.

Returning to your query of "WHY O WHY DID I DO THAT", I clearly stated on the CU that I was listing every IP/username found in the mentioned diff, and that is what I did - it seemed like the simplest way to ensure that there was nothing missed, but I left the door open for VartanM to augment the request. I didnt realise the IP address was so important; I omitted it initially because listing it there, and having a CU confirm it, makes it easier for people to find it, which means that users privacy is reduced a little bit. --John Vandenberg (talk) 15:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Information to the committee, Rovoam WAS NOT AN ARMENIAN. He did not speak any Armenian from his own admission and was not Armenian from his own admission. The reason remains as to why he did all those things and interested in all those things. I wan't ROVOAM and ROBERT to be checked geographically or ISP or whatever with Adil Baguirov AND Atabek. That Grandmaster does make such a request seems again to be a diversion. If all of those are indead Adil and that he knows it, he may very well make those requests knowing those new so-called Armenians will trace with the old so-called Armenian. Now the question is, does those old and new ones trace with AdilBaguirov???—Preceding unsigned comment added by Didodo (talk • contribs) 14:19, 27 February 2008 and updated 14:47, 27 February 2008

Can you provide diffs where Rovoam states that he is not Armenian?

Grandmaster has already requested that Rovoam be analysed as well, and I am pretty sure that the Checkusers will check it against all other parties, including Adil.

Keep in mind that it is possible that Rovoam's editing history is no longer kept on the servers, and the checkusers may not have retained the IPs, so it might be that it cant be checked.

I will not add Atabek to the current CU request, as I have no reason to suspect there is anything fishy there. If VartanM wants to add it, I have no objection, but the CU might if he doesnt provide adequate rationale.

Note that comments like "That Grandmaster does make such a request seems again to be a diversion." are not very useful - there are infinite theories that could be written about any action or non-action. Lets stick to what you can back with evidence. If you do that, and stay civil, I'll keep acting on whatever useful information you provide. --John Vandenberg (talk) 15:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

I have to find that, I remember him saying it, the question is, did he do it by mail or here. I need to check my talkpage, somewhere... is there elements in my talkpage which were deleted by my own request? I need every elements of my talkpage being undodelete, and a remove of the redirect, there is no point of keeping that stupid redirect there while there is none here. I could very well use my own account talkpage as we are now and you can reset the ban only after the case is over. As for Atabek, I think there is more than a rational there. He did not use one sock but two, I investigated about Elnurso a little further, and Elnurso was not Dacy69 as I thought previously but most probably Atabek. The intimidation in the edit summary was destinated to a user he thought an Iranian Azeri was from here. I located the Iranian Azeri in question Atabek thought he was, that person was communicating with who Atabek is from that media. Elnurso also made this comment which does not correspond with Dacy69 but Atabek [3], scientific paper. Which indeed means that when Adil returned he returned with Dacy and Atabek with him. Given that probably Atabek has used three accounts there is a very legitimate concerns that he may have used more.

As for the usefulness of the claims, I report what reality is, if those wordings are too harsh or not very useful I can't help it. I call things by their names, my mastering of the English language won't allow me to dissipate things and turn them to say the same thing in a way which will look less brutal.

Also, for a good proceeding, I do not want you to get involved in any of the checkusers request, Vartan should do that. I did not ask you anything at all.

I think he did it here, not by mail, so I need access to my userpage.

Nevermind, I found he<s admission that he is not Armenian here.

While this answer appears to criticise Tabib, he question that Tabib may have created another account, the other user is indead Armenian, but Rovoam is not neither does he know any Armenian. Why would a non-Armenian push Armenian POV and concentrated on Tabib, Grandmaster etc.? All his fights only benefited them. While Rovoam was fighting with Tabib, there was actually no way of debating for any users..., the end result was a banning of Rovoam and the keeping of Tabib version.

More, the other user who Rovoam accuse to be Tabib, was at the time the only reasonable Armenian who could have discussed with Tabib and come to compromise, by dismissing him and accusing him to be Tabib sock, he is discrediting the only Armenian at that time who could have reasoned with Tabib.

I don't want you as a Clerk for this case, Thatcher was there during the first case, I wan't him instead.

And the diversion continues..., and continues... Oh, Grandmaster, Grandmaster, you should know better: I am not Armenian and I don’t speak Armenian. [4] Grandmaster, nothing change..., the same story, repeating itself, like the first arbitration case where those socks appeared again when issues were raised. What is amazing is that you can continue with those tricks so many times and yet no one could see them.

Grandmaster, may it be too much asking, who was the Armenian user who gave you the link to the forum with the Armenian SS? :)