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[[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 05:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

::The source should have used an indirect quote instead of a direct quote, but you can provide an indirect quote based on this source without being concerned that they have erroneously used a direct quote. [[User:Fabrickator|Fabrickator]] ([[User talk:Fabrickator|talk]]) 05:53, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

== Disputed reliability of Calcutta Journal and [[John Murray (publisher)]] ==

Hello,

<p>I am currently requesting an assessment of the [[Calcutta Journal]] and [[John Murray (publisher)]]. Recently, an editor took it upon themselves to revert ''sourced'' edits, using the justification that "Raj is not reliable". Given that I do not understand what "Raj is not reliable" means, I assume the editor is taking issue with English/Anglo-based publications used to support the claims made in the articlse [[Phulkian sardars]] and [[Phulkian Misl]]. As a result, [[User:Bishonen]] recommended that I post this concern here, and allow the initiated to reach a conclusion about the quality of the source. [[User:Bishonen]] also gave me a warning, claiming I was involved in an edit war, but I disagree. </p>

<p>I do not dispute that I ran risk of violating the Three revert rule, however the original reverter (editor) was no angel either: he or she violated the rule of "Big edits must be taken to the talk page first". Observing the edit history of both pages, where the claims were originally unsourced, followed by a generous anonymous editor providing rigorous citations (with URLs that anyone can inspect), I am requesting that these quality of these sources be assessed objectively. As [[User:Bishonen]] rightfully noted: It seems many edits involving Pakistan, India and Afghanistan are often controversial and invite controversy.</p>

<p>Given that many of the [[Phulkian Misl]] descendants were undoubtedly beneficiaries of the policies carried out by the [[British empire]] (including myself), I am requesting that an impartial third party objectively assess the quality of the sources. Here, given the sanctions noted by [[User:Bishonen]], I would prefer that the objective third party evaluation be carried out by an individual who is neither Hindu, Sikh or Muslim. Further, I request this user have no financial involvement with the [[Rothschild family]]. I understand these requirements are a lot to ask, but the citations are quite definitive. I cannot envision any objective editor stating they are biased or of poor quality, and that is why I am taking the extreme measure of asking a "white man" who does not have any financial dependence on the credit system or its architects (the Rothschild family) to please assess the source quality. </p>

<p> Lastly, I want to take this moment to have a discussion about the controversy that belies this entire conundrum. Clearly the Hindu people look at the time of "British rule" unfavourably; that is their right. However, the role of the [[Phulkian Misl]] is especially sensitive, given their reticence, and later: rejection, of [[Ranjit Singh]] (who was north of the river). These individuals chose to side with Lord [[Gerard Lake]] in hopes that their descendants would be able to appreciate the ability to practice their faith in countries where they would not be oppressed by dominating faiths that currently reside in India. This oppression cannot be understated, and I urge those who assess the quality of these sources to take this into account. As someone who is of a dark skin colour, but not of Hindu or Muslim faith, it is increasingly difficult to live in the first world with the dignity and respect we were once afforded prior to the September 11th attacks. As a child, I could never imagine a situation where "our people" would be confused for a Muslim or Hindu, and consequently harmed either physically or mentally. I urge the individual who takes this case upon themselves to be sensitive to those who are appreciative of the liberties afforded by the [[Commonwealth Realms]], and how the freedom of practicing our faith in the Realms without fear has enabled us to grow as individuals and contribute to the greater goals that do not involve the colour of people's skin.

Thank you,

Sincerely a concerned Sikh individual who is a legitimate [[Phulkian Misl]] descendent that is appreciative of the love, dignity, and space the "white man" has given me to "find myself", and consequently contribute in a way only Sir Arthur Wellesley (and the Irish) envisioned over two hundred years ago.