Talk:Toxic masculinity - Wikipedia
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Hello, just noticed there is no article to state the Toxic Feminism, I see. § — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phuderoso (talk • contribs) 11:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
- What the heck is that? I have never heard of it. Dimadick (talk) 23:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
- Maybe you mean "toxic femininity"? In any case, WP:FALSEBALANCE may be a useful read. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
- Read this, both of you: https://thedailyguardian.com/what-is-toxic-feminism/
- You two are living in a rock. 69.113.233.201 (talk) 17:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
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I want an image that I uploaded to Wikimedia Commons to be added to this page. Here is the image. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MasterDeanKellyToxicMasculinity.jpg This image portrays a toxic masculine man that would be a good example and provide an idea of what one would look like to the read of this article. TopDigger (talk) 15:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
- Not done: Photo is likely a copyright violation, and we are unlikely to use a photo of a named living person to illustrate this phenomenon. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Link to this page Terry Kupers? Joel S Bateman (talk) 10:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Criticism
Toxic masculinity has received criticism as a concept. Some conservatives, as well as many in the alt-right, see toxic masculinity as an incoherent concept or believe that there is no such thing as toxic masculinity.[1]: 2 [2] In January 2019, conservative political commentators criticized the new American Psychological Association guidelines for warning about harms associated with "traditional masculinity ideology", arguing that it constitutes an attack on masculinity.[3] David French of the National Review criticized the APA guidelines on "traditional masculinity ideology" for including "very common, inherent male characteristics" including "anti-femininity, achievement, eschewal of the appearance of weakness, and adventure, risk, and violence." French argued that these traits are not "inherently wrong or harmful," and that a proper understanding of traditional masculinity "rejects harmful extremes."[4] APA chief of professional practice Jared Skillings responded to conservative criticism, stating that the report's discussion of traditional masculinity is about "negative traits such as violence or over-competitiveness or being unwilling to admit weakness" and noting that the report also discusses positive traits traditionally associated with masculinity such as "courage, leadership, protectiveness".[3] Masculine traits like strength, courage, independence, leadership, assertiveness; and applying masculinity positively, can also help men manage emotions, build relationships, better communicate problems, improve life balance, and alleviate mental health concerns.[5] Almadão (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
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template. - David French's statements here are WP:UNDUE without more authoritative sourcing than the National Review, which is a primary source for French's opinion. We generally stick to peer-reviewed scholarship and mainstream news sources, not partisan outlets like NR. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I feel there is a strategic and undue placement of the mention of "Alt-Right" criticism at the top of the criticism section to try and prevent questioning of the concept of Toxic Masculinity.
A layman reading the section would immediately think "Oh, the people who disagree with this are associated with, or actual Nazis, I better not question it also or I am aligned with them" 2A0E:CB01:72:B200:B963:B256:DDF1:42DF (talk) 13:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
- If published, reliable sources associate criticism of toxic masculinity with nazis and the alt-right, then so do we. That's what due weight entails on Wikipedia. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 14:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
- DUE WEIGHT specifically says that all significant viewpoints should be included "in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in those sources". Stonkaments (talk) 06:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
- Published, reliable sources suggest Nazis don’t like democracy, does that mean it should be at the top of the criticism of democracy article?
- I’m not complaining about the inclusion of Nazis criticising it, just about where it I see placed in the criticism section. 2A0E:CB01:72:B200:3523:47E6:D034:5E35 (talk) 06:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
- If that's what sources say about criticism of democracy, then yes. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
- Even if there are other well known examples of different objections frequently mentioned in sources?
- Placing a mention of Nazis at the top in that instance would be the definition of undue weight. 2A0E:CB01:72:B200:FD36:5C25:247B:3436 (talk) 14:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
- This armchair philosophizing is fun, but ultimately pointless unless there are relevant sources that frame the issue differently. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 15:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
- How is attempting to follow Wikipedia guidelines and attempting to make sure a page is formatted correctly "armchair philosophising"?
- For disclosure, I am the previous IP and am NOT attempting to sockpuppet. 2A0E:CB01:72:B200:42D:5B49:DEFF:E361 (talk) 13:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
- You haven't followed Wikipedia guidelines. Either present your sources or this discussion is pointless. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 15:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
- This armchair philosophizing is fun, but ultimately pointless unless there are relevant sources that frame the issue differently. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 15:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
- If that's what sources say about criticism of democracy, then yes. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply