Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elias Levi - Wikipedia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete without prejudice against recreation. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 12:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grounds for notability have not been established, with the sole exception of being the first Sephardi rabbi to achieve semicha at a notable university, which may be notable for that university or for Sephardic Jewry and can readily be noted in those articles. This doesn't make the man notable for biography purposes though, and consensus seems to be both in favor of deletion, and also weak or lacking a stated basis why he is otherwise notable. If significant grounds emerge for other notability, then the article may have a basis to be recreated. (Note that nominator's presence or departure does not really change much as regards Elias Levi and his notability).

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Totally NN rabbi, WP:BIO - crz crztalk 22:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. - crz crztalk 22:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• NOTE: The above nominator has resigned from Wikipedia [1] and thus this AfD should be withdrawn under the circumstances, until the motivation for the nomination can be put in greater perspective and the situation regarding User:Crzrussian's resignation (he was a sysop as well) and its impact on Wikipedia can be clarified. IZAK 08:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, non-notable. — coelacan talk — 23:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or possibly merge parts of it with Yeshiva University.Week keep. Tomer^talk 23:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Not sure. Part of me says he's not notable, but the other part says that he might be notable for his work, except that it will be hard to track down sources. I guess that doesn't help much. I would say NOT to merge with Yeshiva University because he has no major association to it, i.e. he didn't teach there or work as a high-level administrator. YechielMan 05:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • It looks like there may be a small amount of information available on the web about him that might theoretically make him a bit more notable. I'll try to sort through it and add to the article tomorrow. (gsearch) Tomer^talk 06:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, no sign of notability. No prej. to recreation if reasons to merit inclusion are in the article and sourced. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 04:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, as this person was the first Sephardi Jew to receive semicha at YU -- a very notable event in the Jewish world, especially for Orthodox Judaism in the United States. I also fear that this may not be a WP:GF good faith nomination, since the nominator has decided to suddenly resign and leave Wikipedia in his present incarnation [2], so this nomination should be withdrawn for now. IZAK 08:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This nominator wishes to reaffirm his nomination as an IP user, and further, wishes to remind his good friend IZAK to adhere to our vaunted principle of assuming that very GF where no good reason to the contrary exists. Beyond that, I think we could focus on verifiability from reliable sources, rather than grounding keep arguments in unverifiable sectarian mumbo-jumbo (can you even prove that he was the first sephardi out of YU - not that that would make him notable?) P.S. haha I get to call your opinions "sectarian mumbo-jumbo" and you can't recall me! anonymity rocks! 67.83.12.62 11:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • • He wasn't Sephardi, he was Iraqi. Tomer^talk 02:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi: Well, you realize that there is no way of knowing if you are "the nominator" or not. No way to know if you are our late lamented friend User:Crzrussian or someone making silly comments and not having the guts to sign their name. Either way, this was no way for User:Crzrussian to take leave of Wikipedia by taking a pot shot at a YU (if you don't know what that means look it up) rabbi, and from my past experience Crzrussian has tended to nominate for deletion rabbis from the Modern Orthodox Judaism spectrum claiming "he" had never heard of them, and this may be just another case. Finally, assuming good faith is a two-way street and whoever wrote this article is also deserving of that courtesy and should be asked to give more information and not have the article rushed for deletion as Crzrussian heads for the door and does a disappearing act on us. But the final quote ""sectarian mumbo-jumbo"" makes me think it's not Crzrussian because he knows full well that "sectarian" differences in Judaism, especially the main ones between Haredi Judaism; Hasidic Judaism; Modern Orthodox Judaism; Conservative Judaism; Reform Judaism etc are all critically important. If anyone thinks that this refers to "sectarian mumbo-jumbo" they are very obvioulsy lacking any serious knowledge of present-day Judaism and only make themselves look dumb by leaving such pathetic comments. IZAK 23:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't care who that IP is. If this AFD needs someone to "sponsor" it then I am sponsoring it. Ignore the IP, nothing to see here. Let's keep it moving, folks. — coelacan talk — 04:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: strange IP comments and IZAK's complaints aside, this AFD does not depend on any one editor to continue moving forward. I still see no evidence of notability. I stand by my opinion to delete. — coelacan talk — 21:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails notability Avi 06:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep, conditional on finding at least one WP:V. The events noted in the article would make this a marginally notable person, and marginally notable people are still notable. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 16:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  If anyone has access to it (which I don't), there's an entry for him in the 1980 "Who's Who in American Jewry". Tomer^talk 02:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• comment: a couple of attempts to remove the afd notification from the page by Special:Contributions/69.231.177.67... not that activities of wikipedians should reflect on the notability of the subject, of course, just an observation. -- frymaster 04:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  For the record, another anon (140.247.125.224 (talk · contribs)) has said s/he has material to add on the article's talk page. Curiously, nothing has been said here by the article's creator, User:SamuelLurie. They two are, perhaps, one and the same user. Tomer^talk 07:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.