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In the description, we've got author unknown and the card doesn't look like old enough to be PD. Or the Author is J929 and the work is to photograph an existing picture. --- Zil (d) 09:41, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Sai Symbol 768.jpg
- File:Sai Ping Pong.jpg
- File:Sai Baba Vibhutti.jpg
- File:Sai Baba 19273.jpg
- File:Sai Baba BW.jpg
- File:Sai Baba 7454.jpg
- File:Sai Baba 986.jpg
- File:Sai Baba 477.jpg
- File:Sai Baba 23.jpg
- File:Sai and Geeta.jpg
- File:Sai Baba9.jpg
- File:Sai 99.jpg
- File:SAI 1.jpg
I believe this should be kept :
- Zil (d) 09:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The Sai Baba photos lack permision by the copyright holders. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 10:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
hi, most of the photos are of postcards purchased by me or sent to me by friends. None have any copyright information on the postcards themselves (most have three line and a square for a postage stamp on the reverse side). If any one has been to India, such cards are purchased anywhere for pennies a piece. The remaining cards are "Holy Cards" with a photo on the front and prayers or a calendar on the reverse side, again no copyright information is given. Most were purchased over 10 years ago, and considering the way these postcards and cards are made, most are a photograph, of a photograph, from a photograph etc... and considering Sai Baba's age, 82, and most of these photos are from his 40-50s, the photos (and replications)themselves are over 30 years old.
i took the pictues of the cards. as can be seen in the Metadata section. Each card is from India, none has any copyright info and was purchased for about 10 cents a piece, form a street vendor.
Thanks!
J929 (talk) 17:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Many people use these photos and cards for worship, ie File:Ancestor worship004.jpg if i were to crop this photo and extract just the Buddha pictures, is that a copyright infringement? if there is an altar to Sai Baba and i take a photgraph of it and post it, is that a copyright infringement on the photos on the altar? If it is not then i can go to a local Sai Baba center and take photos of the pictures on the altar and walls (as they are there for worship) and post those pictures. is that correct?
Thanks!
J929 (talk) 17:44, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As long as you are doing a picture based on someone else picture it is a Derivated. Please check : COM:DW - Zil (d) 00:14, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
i would have to get permission for the Sai Trust in order to post them in commons? how about taking a picture of an altar ie, Sai Baba center, and posting that such as File:Ancestor worship004.jpg how is that affected by copyright?
J929 (talk) 14:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- We need to get permission from the copyright owner. That mean the photograph that take the original picture. If you could get such permission. look here for the process : COM:OTRS. - Zil (d) 15:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
a question of concern, i had already mentioned that these photographs can up to 4-5 generations form the original.
Sai Baba had an 'official' photographer but am unsure what links to him as some photos seem like they were taken 'live' ie not in a photoshoot, and he was dismiised after some years. i have talked to some photo store owners who say the same thing, they simply take a photo of an existing photo and then sell them. J929 (talk) 00:26, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
is it better to ask an OTRS volunteer or try myself? thanks. J929 (talk) 00:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
i'm getting in touch with the Sai Trust now and a local Sai Center where the leaflets are from... thanks!
J929 (talk) 19:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No word from the Sai trust, i will contact a wiki volunteer to help. Thanks!!
J929 (talk) 17:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
sent requests for assistance to three wiki volunteers... waiting for responses in how to proceed...
J929 (talk) 16:59, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted. No progress for 5 months. Stifle (talk) 10:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]