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I know this may not be entirely related to this specific content, and may be a broader Wikipedia glitch, but I'm noting it here so someone can look at this. I notice that the reference links are kind of funny, maybe because this article was split off.

They start at 22, and that does seem to be linked properly to the right reference, but that reference is actually Safavid_Iran#cite_note-24. Meanwhile, Safavid_Iran#cite_note-5 actually goes to #3, and so on.

However, this may be partly Wikipedia's fault itself, because it would make more sense to me to always have those numbers line up, so that note 3 is at #cite_note-3 and so on. But in any event, maybe someone can clean up those references at some point in order to avoid confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.4.153.215 (talk) 14:28, 8 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

there is no mention for that here ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.161.83.224 (talk) 21:49, 11 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

The empire lasted for almost 3 centuries and was surrounded by several neighbours, whom it often fought against, sometimes gaining, other times losing territory. That would be almost a copy of its history section, thus its not needed imo. HistoryofIran (talk)

Since a big part of the Kurdistan was occupied by Safavids, one of the common languages of Safavids was Kurdish. My question is that: Why Wikipedia sensors every thing about Kurds? amedcj 10:59, 17 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amedcj~enwiki (talk • contribs)

What do you suggest, that we add the 30 different languages spoken in Safavid Iran onto the infobox? I'm not even gonna answer your other remark. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hello, everyone. I keep seeing these sources posted all over YouTube and in this exact order. I was wondering if I could get your opinions on the validity and reliability of these statements and sources:

• In Iran entered a period of relative obscurity and seclusion under two dynasties of Turkish origin: the Safavids and the Qajars.[1]

• The Safavids were of Turkish descent..[2]

• As with their Safavid predecessors, the new dynasty was of Turkish origin; and administrative institutions similar to those the Safavids had attempted to build up were revived.[3]

• There was a real need for the Safavids to disassociate themselves from their arch-foes by playing down their own Turkish origins.[4]

• The Divan of Shah İsmail, the founder of the Safavid Dynasty was written in Turkish, because he was of Turcoman origin.[5]

• The Safavids (1501–1722), two major dynasties of Turkish origin.[6]

• The modern history of Persia really begins with the rise of the SAFAVID dynasty in 1500. Although these rulers were also Turkish in origin, they espoused the SHITTE form of Islam and established a state.[7]

• The Ottoman, Safavid and Mughal Empires. Though political and ideological rivals, all three empires were of Turkic origin and belonged to the same Persianate cultural universe.[8]

• Form of Shi'ism under pressure from the Safavids, originally a Turkic Sufi order who were themselves former Sunnis.[9]

• The three Islamic empires of the early modern period – the Mughal, the Safavid, and the Ottoman – shared a common Turko-Mongolian heritage.[10]

• Safavid power with its distinctive Persian-Shi‘i culture, however, remained a middle ground between its two mighty Turkish neighbors. The Safavid state, which lasted at least until 1722, was essentially a "Turkish" dynasty, with Azeri Turkish (Azerbaijan being the family's home base) as the language of the rulers and the court as well as the Qizilbash military establishment.[11]

• Under the Safavids, the Azeri Turks came into conflict with the expanding Ottoman Turks[12]

• A massive migration of Oghuz Turks in the l lth and l2th centuries not only Turkified Azerbaijan but also Anatolia. The Azeri Turks are Shi'ites and were founders of the Safavid dynasty.[13]

• The modern history of Persia really begins with the rise of the *Safavid Dynasty in 1500. Although these rulers were also Turkish in origin, they espoused the Shi'ite form of Islam.[14]

• The Caucasus was a battleground between the Sunni Ottoman Empire and the Turkic Shia Safavid Dynasty of Persia.[15]

• Shah Isma'il I (1500-24), the founder of the Safavid dynasty of Azeri origin, made the Shi'a branch of Islam.[16]

• This family, reported by some sources to be of Azerbaijani origin[17]

• Three major Islamic empires emerged, all with Turkic roots to varying degrees: those of the Ottomans (1300–1922), Safavids (1501–1722), and Moghuls (1526–1858).[18]

• The Ottoman eastward expansion was stalled by the rise of another Turkish dynasty, the Safavids, in Persia.[19]

• The Safavid Turks, who had their genesis in a Shia dervish order in Azerbaijan.[20]

• Selim I captured the Capital Tebriz also and thus put a check on the growth of the military power of the Safavid Turks.[21]

• “gunpowder empires”: the Empire of the Ottoman Turks (centered in Turkey), that of the Safavid Turks (centered in Iran or Persia)[22]

• Discuss the religious and political issues that separated the Ottoman Turks and the Safavid Turks.[23]

• See Ottoman Empire; Safavid Turks Turks, 10 revolt against, 225 Safavid, 30 Twelver branch.[24]

• In the early 16th century, the Azeri dynasty of the Safavids ( r. 1501–1736 ) took power in Tabriz and developed a culture that influenced much of the region.[25]

• Of three great empires: the Mughals in South Asia, the ?afavids in Persia, and the Ottomans in the west. The three empires shared basic features such as Turkic dynastic origins.[26]

• What most Iranians are not told (neither by the Shia clergy nor ultra-Iranian nationalits) is how the Turkic Safavids slaughtered thousands upon thousands of Persians (Sunnis), starting with the elite, the thinkers and scholars.[27]

• The rule of the Turkic Safavids completed the process of linguistic Turkicisation of modern Azerbaijanis which was initiated by the Seljuks in the eleventh century.[28]

• Buyids (Iranian) (945—1055) . Ghaznavids (Turkic) (994—1030) . Seljuks (Turkic) (1045—1217). Mongol/Ilkhanid Dynasties (Turkicized Mongols) (1221—1338) . Timurids and Turkmen (Turkic) (1383—1501) . Safavids (Turkic) (1501—1722)[29]

• Although arising from a local, originally Sunni Sufi order in Azerbaijan, the Turkish Safavids speedily became the vigorous upholders of Shi'ism.[30]

• The Safavid and Qajar dynasties,rulers in Iran from 1501 to 1722 and from 1795 to 1925 respectively,were Turkic in origin[31]

• Understands political achievements of the Safavid and Mughal Empires, how Persia was unified by the Turkic Safavids.[32]

• Therefore, the student is able to: 5-12 Explain the unification of Persia under the Turkic Safavids.[33]

• To bolster its legitimacy, the Turkish Safavid dynasty created the fiction of an ancestral link.[34]

• The Turkic origin of the Safavid dynasty,which is rarely acknowledged in u conventional Turkish nationalist historiography.[35]

• Shah Ismail, a Turk of the Shi'i sect of Islam, arose as leader of both Turkic and Iranian adherents of this sect, who placed more emphasis upon religion than upon ethnic origin.[36]

• The Safavids were originally Turkic, ghazis like the Osmanlis and succeeded, like them, in distancing possible rivals.[37]

• The Safavids were descended from a family of Turkmen Sufi sheikhs from Ardabil, in Azerbaijan.[38]

• In the early 1500s, a thirteen-year-old Turkmen named Ismail, who lived in western Iran, conquered the whole country[39]

• Yet even Iran's foreign conquerors — such as the Turkic Safavid, Afshar, and Qajar dynasties.[40]

Sources:

• 1-Women, Religion and Culture in Iran
• 2-World History DeMYSTiFieD Stephanie Muntone McGraw Hill Professional-Page 238
• 3-Modern Persian Prose Literature-Page 9
• 4-Comparative History of Civilizations in Asia: 10,000 B.C. to 1850 Edward L. Farmer Westview Press-Page 430
• 5-Cultural Horizons: A festschrift in honor of Talat S. Halman,Volume 1 Jayne L. Warne Syracuse University Press, 2001
• 6-Women's History in Global Perspective,Volume 3-Page 82
• 7-New Catholic Encyclopedia: A-Azt-Page 140
• 8-The Eckstein Shahnama: An Ottoman Book of KingsWill Kwiatkowski Sam Fogg,2005-Page 9
• 9-Religions of Iran: From Prehistory to the Present-Page 192
• 10-Safavid, Mughal,and Ottoman Empires(Cambridge University Press)
• 11-Turko-Persia in Historical Perspective(Cambridge University Press)-Page 86–87.
• 12-Global Security Watch—The Caucasus States-Page 3
• 13-Iran II: Iranian history - Iran V: Peoples of Iran,Volume 3 Ehsan Yarshater The Encyclopaedia Iranica Foundation,2006-Page 325
• 14-New Catholic Encyclopedia-Volumr 1.-18.-Page 16
• 15-Caucasus:Oxford Bibliographies Online Research Guide-Page 3
• 16-Eastern Europe, Russia and Central Asia 2003-Page 104
• 17-Azerbaijan, Mosques, Turrets, Palaces Ilona Turánszky Corvina Kiadó,1979-Page 21
• 18-The Turks in World History(Oxford University Press)-Page 94
• 19-Conflict, Conquest, and Conversion: Two Thousand Years of Christian Missions in the Middle East(Columbia University Press)
• 20-The Rising Tide of Cultural Pluralism: The Nation-state at Bay?(Univ of Wisconsin Press)
• 21-Proceedings of the All Pakistan Political Science Conference,Volume
• 22-Expansion and Global Interaction, 1200-1700 David R. Ringrose Longman,2001-Page 135
• 23-Student Study Guide and Map Exercise Workbook to accompany Traditions and Encounters,Volume 2 BENTLEY McGraw-Hill Companies,Incorporated
• 24-The Politics of the Middle East Monte Palmer F.E. Peacock Publishers,2002-Page 425
• 25-Grove Encyclopedia of Islamic Art & Architecture: Three-Volume Set(Oxford University Press)-Page 236
• 26-The Oxford Encyclopedia of Islam and Politics Emad Eldin Shahin, ?Peri J. Bearman, ?Sohail H. Hashmi - 2014
• 27-Son of Sunnah-Persian Sunni scholars VS the King of the Safavids
• 28-Routledge Handbook of the Caucasus
• 29-Christianity in Persia and the Status of Non-Muslims in Modern Iran-Page 275
• 30-Encyclopaedia of Islam Ian Richard Netton-Page 570
• 31-Encyclopedia of the Peoples of Africa and the Middle East-Page 707
• 32-Content knowledge: a compendium of standards and benchmarks for K-12 education John S. Kendall, Robert J. Marzano Mid-continent Regional Educational Laboratory,1996-Page 243
• 33-National standards for history National Center for History in the Schools (U.S.), Charlotte Antoinette Crabtree, Gary B. Nash-Page 180
• 34-Government and Politics of the Contemporary Middle East: Continuity and change-Page
• 35-New Perspectives on Turkey,36-37.-Page 230
• 36-The Middle East and South Asia,Stryker-Post Publications,1968-Page 10
• 37- The History of the World JJohn Morris Roberts, Odd Arne Westad (Oxford University Press)-Page 403
• 38-The Safavids and their Successors - The David Collection
• 39- Iran the People – Page 10
• 40- Iran and the world: continuity in a revolutionary decade(Indiana University Press)-Page 11

Let me know what you guys think. Thanks. 64.46.27.23 (talk) 01:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Citation 15 mentions that Azerbaijani was mother tongue of the dynasty as wel as poetry language. Worth mentioning in infobox. Beshogur (talk) 01:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Isn't "native language" a better phrase than "mother tongue"? Both mean the same thing though. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 10:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

The first sentence of section 2.5 reads, "In addition to fighting its perennial enemies, their archrival the Ottomans and the Uzbeks as the 17th century progressed, Iran had to contend with the rise of new neighbors." This is hard to read. Here is a revision to make the sentence easier to understand: "As the 17th century progressed, Iran had to not only fight the Ottomans and the Uzbeks, but also the rise of new enemies." Faxmachinechecker (talk) 16:10, 26 January 2021 (UTC) 10:11, 26 January 2021 (CT)Reply

Safavid is Turk! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qedirmellim (talk • contribs) 05:14, 5 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Not done Debated extensively in the past and you haven't provided sources. Your own research is irrelevant. They were of Kurdish origin as stated in the source material. ParthikS8 (talk) 15:33, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Basically "Safavid Iran" was Safavid Empire, so it would be probably better to redirect it into "Safavid Empire". Harrapocentrist (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

In the books of Alem-Arayi-Safavid and Alem-Arayi-Shah Ismaili, it is said that the Safavids and Sheikh Safiyeddin were Turkic. These books were written during the reign of Shah Ismail.

. AzərbaycanTürküAze (talk) 15:16, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

facts AzərbaycanTürküAze (talk) 15:16, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply