User talk:Wikaviani - Wikipedia

18:17, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wikaviani, you seem like a very respectful and responsible editor with a lot of experince here. I see you're debating in good faith and appreciate it. I was wondering if you and I could co-operate on making the case for (and then properly splitting into) two separate articles, regardless of the outcome of the existing move request.

We'd have a better argument for two different products if we can build on the the Farsi-language videos that are in the links: just based on watching these, it is obvious to me that the the traditional doogh being prepared in the videos is a product that is much closer to buttermilk than it is to yoghurt-water.

That is to say, a good argument might be that

• doogh is a an Iranian fermented dairy drink traditionally made from the byproduct of churning butter, and is also made in its modern form by diluting yoghurt with water and adding salt
• whereas ayran is a fermented dairy drink made by diluting yoghurt with water and adding salt.

Can I expect that you'd be able to help me with this since you are able to speak the Farsi language? Wikabulary (talk) 00:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi, thank you for posting here. I will be glad to help if i can, but please keep in mind that videos (youtube, dailymotion, etc ...) are not reliable sources.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:45, 14 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Wikaviani!

1. Agreed that youtube might be a poor source but RS content can exist on it, right? (e.g., a new york times or CNN news clip). It seems that the video citation in this article for 'doogh' is from an Afghan news channel. There is a citation on wiktionary attesting 'doogh' from like 800 years ago as well (as a dairy drink made by butter churning)^[1]. Seems like modern 'doogh' refers to a yoghurt based drink, but to prevent a merge of the upcoming articles, we'd have to separate 'doogh' sources from 'ayran' sources to a degree, and this traditional prep method would be a good start to this.

2. What is the next step? Where/how do we start a split (I am a novice user)? Do we need to start a request in the talk section or just make a separate ayran/doogh article?Wikabulary (talk) 23:47, 14 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

1. Wikipedia uses reliable published sources, thus, a video, even from a well-known media outlet would not be considered as a good source, unless a published version of it exists.

2. You can create an article about Ayran, like about any other topic that is supported by reliable published sources, no need to to make a request, but if your article is deleted, then the burden will be on you to convince fellow Wikipedians that your article about Ayran is legit and relevant.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:49, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Wikaviani, note that particular editor has been here since 5 December 2020. Also note how said "new editor" appears to know a lot about Wikipedia policies(see:Talk:Doogh). Note their first edit, a "new user's" first edit is to post a request move on an article talk page? Rather intricate for a "new user". --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your insight. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Many thanks Davey2010, i wish you and yours a merry Christmas and a great new year too ! Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:23, 25 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thank you very much M.Bitton, likewise ! Cheers !---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Many thanks Wario-Man, i wish you and yours a merry Christmas and a happy new year ! Take care. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:31, 25 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thank you very much JBL, i wish you and yours a merry Christmas and a great new year ! Cheers !---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

--Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:01, 25 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi CAPTAIN RAJU, thanks very much for the kind wishes, much appreciated. I wish you and yours a happy new year too. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Search for books on this site.[2] --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you very much Kansas Bear ! Cheers !---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello! I'm currently working on the article of Nabopolassar and I found this source, which goes into quite a lot of detail on Assyria's final war. I'll be using it in Nabopolassar's article and to beef up Sinsharishkun and possibly Revolt of Babylon (626 BC) (which maybe should be merged into Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire since it's a different stage of the same conflict?), but I thought I'd let you know since you might want to expand Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire a bit with the source. I could do it myself as well, but considering you've done most of the work there and recently got it to GA I thought you might be interested in doing it yourself (also a good way to avoid the wording in all the articles from becoming essentially the same). Ichthyovenator (talk) 09:49, 24 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hey Ichthyovenator, thank you so much for the source, i will take the time to investigate it in details in about 2 or 3 weeks, when i have the time to do that in good conditions. Besides, yeah, merging Revolt of Babylon (626 BC) into Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire sounds good, as per your rationale. Best regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:46, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Wikaviani, I recently handled a sockpuppet investigations case against you (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wikaviani/Archive). I do not believe that the IP editor or editors from that case are you, but after re-reading the case I believe that the evidence suggests that you might be coordinating with that person, so I would like to remind you of our policies on meatpuppetry and canvassing. If I'm wrong and you are not coordinating with this other person, then I apologize for the incorrect accusation. GeneralNotability (talk) 02:34, 22 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi GeneralNotability, firstly, let me say that i'm not that person and no worries, i accept your apologies. I took a look at the SPI case and the thread on your talk and since you're not a Checkuser, i'll give you some perspective about all this. I'm a Frenchman (you can verify this quite easily with a checkuser) of Iranian descent, we have a proverb here, in France, (attributed to Talleyrand, if i'm not mistaken) that says "méfiez vous de la première impression car c'est souvent la bonne", that means "beware of the first impression because it is often the right one". Your first impression was the correct one, being of Iranian descent, i often edit Iran-related topics, and there is nothing surprising that other Iranian editors (Ips or registered) often edit these topics too. If i was one (or all) of the disruptive IPs, or, if they were my buddies, then why would i revert them here and here again ? and why would i file a RPP to prevent further disruption ? Why would the IP post a "warning message" on my talk accusing me of "Arab propaganda" ? Also, there was some other disruption not mentioned by Apaugasma : [3], [4], [5], [6] which proves that these articles are targetted by trolls, thus, nothing surprising with the surge of disruptive editors sometimes. There are other arguments that would show you that i have nothing to do with the disruptive editors, but i don't want to disclose them on my public talk, i could clarify by email if you want. Maybe a checkuser would also be useful. Please let me know if you think i'm mistaken. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wikaviani, thanks for the reply. I don't need anything private, I wanted to give you that notice in case you were associated with the person behind that IP. Between the diffs you linked and your explanations, I'm satisfied that you're not connected. Please accept my apologies for the incorrect accusation. Best, GeneralNotability (talk) 23:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I wonder what you think of the changes on the page Turks in Algeria and can you look at the talk page there, whats your opinion?Loveisthebest1 (talk) 19:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Ms. Sahar Khodayari (Wikaviani), Your reply made me confused. You mentioned that "your edit to the page Talk:Iranian Azerbaijanis, seem to be advertising" but I can't understand how my explanation about the current environment of my mother-town city, can be counted as an advertising item !!!??? And unfortunately it looks my comment was removed from the list, probably because of that wrong misleading (advertising issue !!!) but as you definitely know, that wasn't advertising item at all. Regards, Behnam Behnam.Zanjan (talk) 07:07, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Hi, your comment on the article's talk page was not supported by any source, that's why i (and another editor) reverted it. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sakiv (talk) 00:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Sakiv: Thanks for the courtesy note.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi, what was wrong with my edit at Mehmed the Conqueror. I added source and respected Wikipedia rules. Please guide me to correct any errors if any. --82.76.0.201 (talk)

Hi IP, thanks for posting here. As far as i can see, you reworded the article in a less neutral version (by replacing "Some sources indicate that Mehmed had a passion" with "sources indicate that Mehmed had a passion") and you removed a source too. That's why i reverted your edits. Best regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:51, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Oh no, it's a misunderstanding. The source wasn't removed, it just automatically showed it was rewritten, because i rephrased the sentence so it would be together with the added content. I think it's better to add a paragraph below the one I tried to edit and to include the same idea. I just want to know if it's okay to say that some Greek sources say something about Mehmed II. I ain't implying it is a fact what the Greek sources say, but it contributes on a broader image on the subject by including the view on Mehmed from his life time. --213.233.110.242 (talk) 23:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

And I am really sorry, now I realized my IP changed even though I use same device. Just letting you know it's still me. --213.233.110.242 (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Wikaviani! If you would like to participate in the third opinion process, which is optional and non-binding, please provide a short comment at [Talk:Genetic studies on Turkish people#Third opinion|this section of the talk page]] at your earliest convenience. Thanks! Firefangledfeathers (talk) 06:27, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Firefangledfeathers: Thanks for the notification. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Khwarazmian dynasty § Splitting proposal. Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 06:45, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Template:Z48Reply

@Visioncurve: Thanks for the invitation, i will join the discussion with pleasure. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:40, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply