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There is now a discussion at WP:NORN here about the related article 2021 Canadian church burnings Elinruby (talk) 18:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

We are going to need a few more editors familiar with our residential school situation to make sure the editor here, although enthusiastic and seeming well intentioned (although others have expressed a different view) is dominating these articles. They are clearly not familiar with Canadian sources or any academic sources on the topic..... although all can contribute the sensitive nature of this topic requires some basic knowledge and understanding of the sources that are reliable. Good example of the the time sink others have been dealing with can be seen at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#2021 Canadian church burnings. I think I should step away for a bit after my less than cordial last response to them see here. Moxy🍁 21:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Moxy Yeah it was less than cordial but I am more concerned about the aspersion-laden inappropriate canvassing here. But fine. I will go back to re-adding journal references removed in the recent gutting of the articles. You can go on believing that children did not die of tuberculosis in residential schools as long as you stop interfering with that being restored to the article.Elinruby (talk) 02:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ditto to what Moxy said. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Just odd replies all the time with walls of OR " children did not die of tuberculosis in residential schools " is simply out to lunch if you belive anyone would say this. The report says "24 percent of all native residential school students had died of tuberculosis". Moxy🍁 11:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sigh. Since I had previously decided you were a pretty good editor, I assumed you would be familiar with the issue, or if not ask questions. Instead you have decided that I am clearly not familiar with Canadian sources or any academic sources on the topic and without asking me anything about this have chosen to share that conclusion here in an apparent attempt to continue impeding the repair of damage done to these articles by an editor who was topic banned for doing that. "Out to lunch" is not a helpful comment, although it does seem to sum up your attitude quite well. For the record I list a small sample of academic sources here in one of the current RSN threads on the RSN noticeboard that I have repeatedly suggested that you examine. The issue in that particular thread is whether it is ok to say that there even *was* a genocide at residential schools, which up until then it apparently had not been, since I was blocked for a week for saying so. Getting back to the deaths from TB, there are other worse statistics about it, but what you said that I took issue with was People with TB were sent to Indian hospitals..... that is a whole other can of worms with its own graveyards in many cases. Moxy🍁 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC) This was in response to my sarcasm here: I personally don't get why this article keeps getting messed with. But it does. So in keeping with the minimization of the mortality rate, of course there is a cemetery and of course everyone died of TB at the time no matter what anyway.Elinruby (talk) 00:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC) and I replied That may well be so but children also died of untreated tuberculosis and Peter Bryce is the name of the doctor who was fired for reporting that.Elinruby (talk) 03:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC) along with a lengthy sourced excerpt about Bryce, with whom you seemed to be unfamiliar, from the main residential school article.

In any event, the topic was added by someone else to an Arbcom request for clarification about people who are unable to edit in a neutral manner on religious topics. Go team Canada. This is not what I would have wished us all to be wikinotorious for, but there it is. Given the following previous attempt to explain "what is source verification" to you it may even be an appropriate example, although I am currently denying that, more or less out of reflexive patriotism.

Religion was a major part of assimilating Indigenous peoples on both sides of the border.... It's why it's referred to as a cultural genocide.[3] The French wanted to free them from what.... their families? basic info Moxy🍁 23:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I replied:

That reaction is why I explicitly said I'm not saying I necessarily believe that but that is what the source says. What the source does however say is: The first residential facilities were developed in New France by Catholic missionaries to provide care and schooling. Please remember that we are talking about what the source says not what I personally believe, which is that schools were a rather cynical tactic whose goal was assimilation and were gleefully perpetuated when the system proved lethal. You seem to think I want to deny that there was anything wrong with the schools, which is far from the case, and makes it hard to discuss things with you. So let's start over. I actually believe that "cultural genocide" is a euphemism in the Canadian context. Please stop trying to convince me of the genocidal intent. I am already there, and it's annoying...

In any event, I am here to get diffs, not argue with you, but since I am here, this is notification that the matter is now at Arbcom, under a request for a clarification of the Noleander decision, and your name is about to be mentioned. Elinruby (talk) 22:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

OR all over....Wikipedia:Too long; didn't read = Wikipedia:FILIBUSTER..Moxy🍁 01:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

OK Moxy. If you do not want to read, please stop interfering with the in-progress remediation of misrepresented sources and allow those who are willing to read the sources to fix the problem. If you do not understand what is going on that is one thing. If you refuse to deal with the actual sources because they are TL;DR, there really is nothing else to say. Further disruption will be dealt with as such. If anyone else would like to help with the situation, there is a lot of checking that needs to be done and I will be delighted to get some help. Over and out Elinruby (talk) 03:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Pick up on the cues.Moxy🍁 15:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

McLaughlin Planetarium has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

There is currently a discussion at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard regarding the reliability of National Post. The thread is RfC: National Post. Thank you. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 00:29, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

The redirect Port Royal, Richmond County, Nova Scotia has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 17 § Port Royal, Richmond County, Nova Scotia until a consensus is reached. older ≠ wiser 15:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

According to the Government of Canada's Styles of address webpage, it specifically states that no politician in Quebec uses the honorific "Honourable", as it is only and used solely by the incumbent and previous lieutenant governors of Quebec (or any member of the King's Privy Council). Any change to reflect this would impact the Premier of Quebec, Deputy Premier of Quebec, all Quebec cabinet ministers, etc. past and current. Should the honorific be removed from the relevant articles to reflect this? I'd also note that the webpage also states that no mayor in Quebec uses the honorific His/Her Worship as well. – Handoto (talk) 19:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Would anyone be interested in joining a sub project of WP:Anthropology on oral tradition? WP's coverage of this is quite poor atm imo Kowal2701 (talk) 17:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Can we get a second set of eyes Talk:Flag_of_Canada#Reverse_Copyvio_Report. Moxy🍁 01:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Canada Soccer drone spying scandal § Should this be titled "Dronegate". Kingsif (talk) 00:51, 28 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Why there are so many First Nations (North American Indian) n.o.s. - 632 340 people. Why so many people does not no their tribes or they are fake indians? Indigenous peoples in Canada#Peoples Kaiyr (talk) 16:52, 28 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

• These are "Registered Indians" and not registered, which refers to those individuals who identified as First Nations. No clue were the number 632 340 comes from should be 1,127,010. Will look at the article and add real numbers and perhaps move raw data to its own article.https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1100100013791/1535470872302 Moxy🍁 17:33, 28 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Could someone look at South Slave Divisional Education Council#Recognition and check which of those seem encyclopaedic? I've removed the unsourced ones but I don't think the list needs to be that long. I'd leave the ones that either have a linked award or awarding body. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 20:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Could someone with more experience fix the page title for this? The first paragraph shows how it's correctly all-capitalized with an ® symbol at the end, but the page title isn't consistent.

Realtors Association of Edmonton should be REALTORS® Association of Edmonton

Thanks all. Mazshan (talk) 22:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

See MOS:TM: the page is properly named. —Joeyconnick (talk) 23:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

And I've removed all the ® for you as per the above. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 18:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Looking for more input at Talk:Alice Munro#Alleged sexual abuse complicity Moxy🍁 10:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi everyone - please keep an eye on Brantford. An IP has been trying to add something about a cat named Minky, and I've just reverted it for the 3rd time today. The IP has been warned. PKT(alk) 15:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't have time to dig much into it now, but looking over the page history I felt comfortable with protecting the page for a month. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Poor Minky. Deprived of their moment in the sun. 😿 Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 19:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sleeman Centre (Guelph)#Requested move 29 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Bennett Lake, Yukon has apparently equally reliable sources that disagree about the area of the lake. Sinclair (2023) gives 9068 ha [90.68 km²], while Millar (2012) gives 96.8km². Almost certainly one is a typo for the other, but I haven't found any sources independent of these two to check which is correct. Can anyone help? Thryduulf (talk) 12:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Using OSM data and Google Earth I got these numbers:

Total area of lake including islands: 96,258,584 sq meters

Total area of islands: 76,016 sq meters

Total area of lake excluding islands: 96,182,568 sq meters MapGrid (talk) 13:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Talk:Canadian_(disambiguation)#Requested_move_13_August_2024 Moxy🍁 01:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Jasper wildfire#Requested move 6 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:08, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi everyone,

Wikimedia Canada is hosting a virtual session about The Wikipedia Library on August 28, 2024 at 12 p.m. EDT. We'll be talking about what it is, who qualifies to use it, as well as highlighting some resources available through the Wikipedia Library that may be of interest for contributors that focus on Canadian topics. Please visit the event page to register. This session will also be recorded for those unable to attend.

- Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (talk) 17:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for this; looks interesting. One comment: shouldn't the time be listed as 12 EDT, both here and the general announcement? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 20:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

You are correct, thank you for catching this! I've updated the time zone on the notice here and on the event page. Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

• 4:00 p.m., August 28, 2024 – 5:00 p.m., August 28, 2024 Timezone: +00:00

Moxy🍁 05:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Just thought I'd bring attention to the article on the 2024 Canada railroad shutdown - it's currently barely a stub, and it's an important current Canadian event that needs a lot of work done on its article. Eldomtom2 (talk) 16:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I've started a section on the Talk page for the article, suggesting that the title should be changed to "2024 Canada railway shutdown", as "railway" is the common term used in Canada; have given examples there from the industry, news articles on the shutdown, and the Canada Transportation Agency. Would welcome comments; don't know if it needs a formal request to move? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

There is now a proposal to delete the article on notability grounds/sourcing. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 04:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Pierre Poilievre § Image. Cremastra (talk) 18:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have nominated Isaac Brock for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 02:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Z1720: I doubt I could accomplish anything in two weeks and I'm not really sure I'd want to tackle this anyways. That said, I live relatively close to Brock University and I can access their library. Given my location and the namesake, they probably have everything there is to know about the guy. If you wanted me to double check sources or to look for something in particular? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Clovermoss: If you are interested in fixing up this article, please go to the FAR for this article at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Isaac Brock/archive2. I think this article needs a lot of work to remain a featured article, as many academic sources are not used as inline citations yet. Z1720 (talk) 18:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Z1720: I have no objections to you delisting the article. It has a lot of issues and it makes complete sense. My comment was more along the lines of "maybe someday". Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Clovermoss: If you notice issues with the article, it still helps if you comment on its FAR. Sometimes an editor volunteers to address the issues, or uses the FAR as a checklist on how they can improve the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply