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::{{tq|"a voyeuristic attack on a woman, ridiculing her and denying her even the right to defend herself"}} Hey, bro, I hope she sees this. [[User:Chris troutman|Chris Troutman]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|talk]]) 03:42, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

::What? [[User:Cremastra|Cremastra]] ([[User talk:Cremastra|talk]]) 13:17, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

This seems to have caused a gratuitous amount of offense, including being blanked for a speedy deletion request not once but twice. I can understand not thinking it's funny — I would put it in the bottom decile of jokes I've made — but I have asked numerous times and failed to get any sort of explanation of the offense going on here. I asked some of my friends in real life, ranging across various ages and genders and political inclinations etc, to read this and see what the problem was (perhaps "Rice-Davies" is some kind of ethnic slur I've never heard about) and none of them could figure it out either. Nobody has been able, hitherto, to explain how "applying to a job" or "applying sunscreen" constitute any sort of attack on anybody's character.

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:According to the [[WP:MANDY]], "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" is what Ms. Rice-Davis said about Lord Astor. Do you still consider it sexist if the genders are reversed? – [[User talk:Bradv|'''brad''v''''']] 17:41, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

:"{{xt|If she were a man or an elderly woman would the joke work?}}" Yes, if you put a photoshop of [[Donald Trump]] applying suncream to himself with a witty caption, I'd probably laugh as well. I sort of get your point that ''if'' MRD was a low-profile individual subject to harassment who wanted to stay out of the limelight, then BLP and harassment concerns would be a reasonable viewpoint. But our article (backed up by reliable sources) stated she milked the attention for all that it was worth and compared herself to famous mistresses in history. You can't have it both ways. [[User:Ritchie333|Ritchie333]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|(cont)]] 18:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

:WP:NOTCENSORED. It's a joke.{{cn}}{{clarify}}{{whom}}{{quotation needed}}{{fact or opinion}}{{how?}}{{buzzword inline}} Respectfully: get over it! [[User:Tim O'Doherty|Tim O'Doherty]] ([[User talk:Tim O'Doherty|talk]]) 18:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

:It's not sexist and its not ridicule. {{tqq|If she were a man or an elderly woman would the joke work?}} Absolutely. [[User:Cremastra|Cremastra]] ([[User talk:Cremastra|talk]]) 13:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

WTF, people? It's just a really lame [[dad joke]] playing with the meaning of the word "applies" (she applies for a job, she applies sunscreen). It's not Groucho Marx, but it's certainly harmless humor and definitely not any sort of attack. If you don't think so, MFD is the right venue. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:56, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

:: Contemporary culture seems dedicated to the proposition that outrage is a desirable emotion and should be sought at every opportunity. [[User:Smallchief|Smallchief]] ([[User talk:Smallchief|talk]]) 11:20, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

You misspelled her name on the fake CV; it's Rice-Davies, not Rice-Davis. [[User:BlackcurrantTea|BlackcurrantTea]] ([[User talk:BlackcurrantTea|talk]]) 12:50, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|BlackcurrantTea}} Oh, hell. I missed that. Fixed! [[User:JPxG|jp]]×[[Special:Contributions/JPxG|g]][[User talk:JPxG|🗯️]] 02:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

What does applying for a job or applying sunscreen have to with applying some obscure Wikipedia "rules"? And what does Ms. Rice-Davies (who I, like 99% of living Americans, have never heard of) have to do with any of this? Why was she chosen for the joke? Why is the sunscreen branded "X", is this some swipe at Elon Musk's new name for Twitter? Sunscreen is a subtle hint about online reputation management? [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 14:41, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

:I think you're overthinking this. The sunscreen is branded "X" because it's a standard placeholder, and see all the discussion for an explanation, once you've read [[Wikipedia:Mandy Rice-Davies applies|WP:MANDY]]. [[Special:Contributions/71.112.180.130|71.112.180.130]] ([[User talk:71.112.180.130|talk]]) 15:17, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

::"[[Well he would, wouldn't he?]]" is a famous quote? Really? Citation needed. Well, a girl needing a job would create a resume, wouldn't she? A girl lying on the beach in a bikini would want to wear sunscreen, wouldn't she? What's the point? [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

:::{{reply|Wbm1058}} No citation required: see ''[[The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations]]''<ref>https://www-oxfordreference-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/display/10.1093/acref/9780199237173.001.0001/q-author-00001-00002860?rskey=sNUpqj&result=3</ref>. Nice try, though. [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|——Serial]] 16:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

::::The citation I was looking for was for the alleged fact that this is a "famous" quotation. Are all quotations automatically made famous by their inclusion in a dictionary? If a quotation is truly famous, then you shouldn't need to look it up in a dictionary. [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 16:15, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

:::::You said "citation needed". Don't get haughty when provided with one. [[User:Tim O'Doherty|Tim O'Doherty]] ([[User talk:Tim O'Doherty|talk]]) 17:22, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

::::@[[User:Serial Number 54129|{{emdash}}{{emdash}}Serial]] - And now with [[MRDA (slang)|its own article]]. "Famous"{{cn}} or [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_O%27Doherty&diff=prev&oldid=1189382456 notable] enough now? Eh? ;) [[User:Tim O'Doherty|Tim O'Doherty]] ([[User talk:Tim O'Doherty|talk]]) 16:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::Great work {{reply|Tim O'Doherty|Voorts}}, and yes, that should stymy any further splitting of hairs. Or it should, shouldn't it? ;) [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|——Serial]] 16:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

::Who in their right mind thinks those essays are about something that can be joked about?

::Israel is accused of flooding the Gaza tunnels. Well they would, wouldn't they? Just sick. – [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 15:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

:::...oookay? does anyone want to fulfil Godwin's law while we're on this type of topic? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|~~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 06:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

::::I think he's taking the piss lol. [[User:JPxG|jp]]×[[Special:Contributions/JPxG|g]][[User talk:JPxG|🗯️]] 07:08, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I find this discussion far more interesting than the joke. Even after the joke was explained. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 18:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

*Well, she wouldn't have an E-mail address, would she. The visual humor is fine. But the top image does not read well. I'm using an iPad; I had to go to the original image and expand that to see the page as a resume. And photo-shopped at that—no emails at the time the unaltered photo was snapped. That refers to the whole affair, a ginned-up controversy. Reading the top photo sets the viewer to read the second photo correctly. A hat trick, if you will—not puns—visual humor. B for the, what? Visual metaphors? D for the presentation—imagine how it reads on a cell phone. — [[User:Neonorange|'''N''''''eonorange''']] ([[User talk:Neonorange|talk to Phil]]) (he, they) 08:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC) —

File:Francisco de Goya - Dogs Chasing a Cat on a Man on a Donkey - BF689.1 - Barnes Foundation.jpg|Francisco de Goya - Dogs Chasing a Cat on a Man on a Donkey. Which one is the editor of ''The Signpost''?

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[[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 03:35, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

:Seems to be a man in the middle attack. But the ''Signpost'' editor is obviously the cat, above the fray. — [[User:Neonorange|'''N''''''eonorange''']] ([[User talk:Neonorange|talk to Phil]]) (he, they) 20:17, 17 December 2023 (UTC) —

::Visual humor should be a regular feature in ''Signpost''. Hmmm, what metaphorically pairs with an image of "dead pig in the sunshine"? — [[User:Neonorange|'''N''''''eonorange''']] ([[User talk:Neonorange|talk to Phil]]) (he, they) 20:29, 17 December 2023 (UTC) —

Funny, stupid, and not offensive at all, except in how bad the pun is.'''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]'''[[User_talk:Andrevan|🚐]] 04:53, 25 December 2023 (UTC)