User talk:MrOllie: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia
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:The article you're looking for is probably [[Alkaline diet]]. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie#top|talk]]) 17:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the "Alkaline Diet" wiki page. That is definitely a more appropriate location to cite the 2008 study on mineralized alkaline water. I also misunderstood that the researchers were simply adding minerals to produce an alkaline solution, rather than using the minerals as an electrolyte during electrolysis to produce alkaline water.
::However, there are problems with some of the existing statements and their citations in the article about "Water Ionizer".
::1) "Extensive scientific evidence has completely debunked these claims [citation #4- Amount and type of protein influences bone health]" This source discussed the correlation between dietary protein and calcium metabolism as it relates to bone health. This source is unrelated to "Water Ionizer", and needs to be removed.
::2) "Extensive scientific evidence has completely debunked these claims [citation #5- Systematic review of the association between dietary acid load, alkaline water and cancer]" This source is a 2016 survey of available scientific literature relating to dietary acid load, alkaline water, and cancer. It concludes, "Despite the promotion of the alkaline diet and alkaline water by the media and salespeople, there is almost no actual research to either support or disprove them." The correlation between alkaline water and health is inconclusive, NOT "debunked" as the current wiki page states.
::My edit will remove the text: "Such claims violate basic principles of chemistry and physiology. There is no medical evidence for any health benefits of alkaline water. Extensive scientific evidence has completely debunked these claims [4,5], leaving such claims in the pseudoscientific realm."
::Replacing it with: "However, a 2016 survey of scientific literature found no evidence to support or disprove these claims [citation- Systematic review of the association between dietary acid load, alkaline water and cancer]." [[User:Sketchbuild|Sketchbuild]] ([[User talk:Sketchbuild|talk]]) 20:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Watering down the text as you are doing here has the effect of promoting fringe altmed claims. It is not helpful. Someone else has warned you about edit warring - I urge you to desist from making this edit over and over. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie#top|talk]]) 20:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Dude, there is a cited source that has NOTHING to do with the topic of water ionizers (dietary protein and calcium metabolism). It's a simple oversight.
::::There is a difference between DEBUNKED and INCONCLUSIVE. If anything, the existing statement "Such claims violate basic principles of chemistry and physiology. There is no medical evidence for any health benefits of alkaline water. Extensive scientific evidence has completely debunked these claims [4,5], leaving such claims in the pseudoscientific realm..." is misrepresenting the research findings. [[User:Sketchbuild|Sketchbuild]] ([[User talk:Sketchbuild|talk]]) 20:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::Dude, posting on my user talk page in ALL CAPS will not help. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie#top|talk]]) 20:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::It draws attention to the fact that you can read. Now read the article you cited [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916523236667?via%3Dihub Amount and type of protein influences bone health - ScienceDirect]. You should notice that this article has nothing to do with alkaline water or water ionizers.
::::::Citing an opinion piece (even one written by a respected academic) does not justify claims made here. This isn't about how many citations you can tack on to a wiki page. It's about how information is presented. [[User:Sketchbuild|Sketchbuild]] ([[User talk:Sketchbuild|talk]]) 21:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::You're being reverted and warned by multiple other users, not just me. Shouting at me on my personal talk page is not going to accomplish anything. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie#top|talk]]) 21:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
== No more deleting my edits ==