Talk:Bistro Agnes - Wikipedia


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Articles for deletionThis article was nominated for deletion on 17 December 2022. The result of the discussion was Procedural close.

What makes this restaurant notable? A handful of local-interest articles do not establish notability; Wikipedia is not a travel guide, and most of the article seems to be dedicated to the fact that it closed (not unusual, sadly) . Mockingbus (talk) 11:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Mockingbus How about a review by The New York Times? Any chance you're willing to remove the banner? ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:18, 20 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Another Believer – Not… really? It well-verified (you do an excellent job of that; I have to take my hat off on this matter) but Allchin is a PNW writer (a Portland native as called out in the article, so likely not making a special excursion for the review) and despite the NYTimes publication I don't really see the notable, the non-routine coverage – the "so what?. From the sources it feels like the restaurant got some routine (if, in one case, well-placed) coverage in its opening year and then nothing at all until its extended demise.
Again, it feels like the most significant thing about it is that it closed, and that was sadly not unusual at all in the circumstances.
I'm not prepared to bicker too much about the matter, though (there are better things to bicker about), and I freely admit I might be taking an overly-stiff view on 'notability'; I'm happy to defer to a neutral WP:3O if you are. (Sorry for the delayed response, by the way; it's that time of year. Happy holidays!) –Mockingbus (talk) 04:52, 27 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Mockingbus I've added this source, this source, and quite a few others. Open to getting more editor feedback however you think is best, if you feel that's still necessary. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
I really don't think that helps; in fact I think it might make the case worse. There's so much noise and fluff involved that I feel like much of it borders on spam. I don't have the time to do a point-by-point review, but let's pull these and some of the 'quite a few others' and take a quick closer look.
My concern has never been the number of sources you can pile onto this article; it's their quality and an overall sense of significance that I feel is lacking. I think I'm not the only one; I see Scope_creep filed a (procedurally closed) motion to delete this article over the holidays. Maybe they'd like to comment (I hope in a friendly, civil way? You seem to have a contentious history with each other?)? I do think this needs a more thorough review by more editors, but I'm not sure where that's supposed to be. –Mockingbus (talk) 04:50, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Sigh, I see the tag is back even though User:HelpingWorld had removed. I agree with tag removal. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

The editor who added the tag said they are "happy to defer to a neutral WP:3O". Since another editor also thinks the tag is unnecessary, I will remove soon unless anyone objects. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 17:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

---Another Believer (Talk) 20:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Gonna take this one, too.

TWOrantulaTM (enter the web) 00:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Should we add the manager to the article body, maybe after the third chef? Right now there's not a source for him in the infobox. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
That would seem better. TWOrantulaTM (enter the web) 23:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
This review is transcluded from Talk:Bistro Agnes/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Another Believer (talk · contribs) 23:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Reviewer: Relativity (talk · contribs) 22:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hey @Another Believer and TrademarkedTWOrantula, I'll be reviewing this against the GA criteria. I should have this review done in a week or so. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 22:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! Happy to address any concerns you might have. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

This article checks off all of the GA criteria, and all of my comments have been addressed. Congratulations on another GA! ‍Relativity ⚡️ 01:34, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hold for more

  • (lead) "and previously-owned restaurant"
  • remove hyphen
  • you may want to add that it was the Dentons that owned it
  • (lead) "ChefStable"— I wasn't sure what ChefStable was until I looked it up, so you may want to mention somewhere that it is a restaurant group.
  • (lead) "and was deemed one of the city's best restaurants"— by whom?
  • (description) "American foods including a cheeseburger with Bordelaise sauce."— Bordelaise sauce is not American, and this sentence is a bit confusing; it reads as though the sauce is. The source specifically states that the cheeseburger with Bordelaise sauce is a crossover. Is there some way to reword this so it's clear that the sauce is not American?
  • (shortdesc) In the short description, "U.S." is used. I would recommend changing it per MOS:US and WP:SDFORMAT. The MoS guideline states that you don't have to change U.S. to US if the usage of U.S. is already established in the article, which it isn't. In addition, WP:SDFORMAT states that it's best to keep short descriptions as short as needed, so why not save two characters for a preferred abbreviation? The short description is already at 51 characters— try to minimize character count.
  • (history) "During the COVID-19 pandemic, the Dentons decided to close the restaurant"— While it's okay to put this in the lead because you don't want to get into too much detail, in the history section you may want to specify that it was closed during the COVID-19 pandemic, but specifically March 2020, as the source says.
  • (reception) Regarding Hannah Wallace's review...
  • Over half of Hannah Wallace's review is quoted here, which is a bit overkill. In addition, three sentences are dedicated to her review. One suggestion that I have to improve the amount of quotes that come from her review is to replace ""affable and attentive" service and "awesome" wines" with something like "and praised the restaurant's service and wines".
  • By PDX, does she mean Portland?
  • "vibe" is an informal word (according to the New Oxford American Dictionary). I am aware that the source uses "vibe", but perhaps you can switch this with another word. I suggest "ambience" or "setting".

That's all for now. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 02:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Source assessment

After checking a large bulk of sources, I think that they fulfill criterion 2b of the GA criteria.

Progress

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