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Line 362: :::::::Are you not topic banned? Regardless, an Equality Impact Assessment was carried out in the city, with those who polled, opted to keep Londonderry. Plus city councilors(or elected representatives by the people of the city) were unable to agree on a city name change, with the city remaining as Londonderry. I'd imagine those 2 sources would be as neutral as they come on the naming dispute. I'm not labeling anyone as an Irish nationalist, but what the government of another country refer to Londonderry as is neither here nor there. Though given that the Irish Government only recognized "Londonderry" in [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7990990.stm Irish Passport]] applications as recently as 2009 would suggest an anti-London bias. [[User:Dubs boy|Dubs boy]] ([[User talk:Dubs boy|talk]]) 21:15, 29 June 2015 (UTC) ::::::::The EIA reported 77% of Nationalists preferred a name change. Now, bear in mind, this is 77% of Nationalists who actually live in Derry. So 23% of Nationalists (who actually live in Derry) said they preferred Londonderry. And 21% of Unionists (who actually live in Derry) prefer ... Derry. Roughly the *same number* of "Irish Nationalists" who live in Derry would prefer Londonderry as "British Loyalists". So yeah, it's too simplistic to say "Irish Nationalists" prefer Derry and "British Loyalists" prefer Londonderry. What is clear is that more than 75% of the Derry population prefer the name Derry. But, as the same report says "the refusal to resort to majority-minority mechanisms to resolve cultural disputes is critical if we are to find a way forward in Northern Ireland" and there's merit in taking that principle on board (wherever possible and practical) here as well. But wikipedia doesn't have a mission or objective to "right wrongs" or "create definitions", etc. It exists to reflect and this article does just that. The [[Derry/Londonderry name dispute]] page exists to capture the name dispute. If and when current "thinking and reality" changes this article will too. [[User:HighKing|<font face="Courier" color="darkgreen"><b>-- HighKing</b></font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:HighKing|<font face="Courier" color="darkgblue">++ </font>]]</sup> 00:34, 30 June 2015 (UTC) ::::::::::I'm not sure how much weight I can take from your comments given that you are topic banned and for good reason. I agree, it is too simplistic to say nationalists favour using the name Derry, and unionists using Londonderry, but thats exactly what it says at [[Derry/Londonderry name dispute]] page. In reference to changing the name from Londonderry to Derry and the EIA, the EQIA held two consultative forums, and solicited comments from the public at large. It received 12,136, of which 3,108 were broadly in favour of the proposal, and 9,028 opposed. So a majority of people would prefer to keep the status quo which is to have the city remain as Londonderry. It would seem that current "thinking and reality" have met, however that is not reflected here. If the page were to be changed to Londonderry, [Derry/Londonderry name dispute]] page would still exist to capture the name dispute, so that point is null and void.[[User:Dubs boy|Dubs boy]] ([[User talk:Dubs boy|talk]]) 01:55, 30 June 2015 (UTC) | |||