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{{*~~mp}}~~... that the music company '''[[Discipline Global Mobile]]''' has the policy that copyrights belong to artists and consequently does not own even its corporate logo ''(pictured)''?

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:*The DYK hook shall run on 25 March 2012. Thanks! [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 10:59, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

::* The DYK generated 5090 visitors on 25 March 2012 (the anniversary of [[Guitar Craft]]). The [http://stats.grok.se/en/201203/Discipline_Global_Mobile article had 3788 visitors], and Ball's knotwork [http://stats.grok.se/en/201203/File:%22Possible_Productions_knotwork%22_by_Steve_Ball.JPG received 1302 visitors]. Thanks again to Mark Arsten for his great GAN-review, which suggested many many improvements! [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 15:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

It is now at a five-fold expansion, according to the DYK checker. I suggest the following hook:

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The DGM logo is copyrighted and owned (with moral rights etc.) by artist and musician (and problem solver) Steve Ball, whom I contacted on Wiki and by email with a courtesy notification about the main-page appearance of DGM and our "fair use" of the DGM logo here.

He was happy that we are using the logo here, per fair use, I am pleased to report. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 17:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

==== copyrights and moral rights ====

I'll provide a citation tomorrow, e.g. to a CD from DGM tomorrow. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 00:28, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 12:20, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

::A secondary academic source (HQRS): Page xii in

::* {{cite book|last=Hegarty||last2=Halliwell|year=2011|title=Beyond and before: Progressive rock since the 1960s|first=Paul|first2=Martin|publisher=Continuum|month=25 August|isbn=9780826440754, ISBN 9780826423320 (paperback)|ref=harv|pp=xii+328}}

::This source credits Ball for the design, but displays a copyright for Robert Fripp (and perhaps also King Crimson or DGM) for the cover of the King Crimson album ''Discipline''. This should cause no confusion! [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 16:19, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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Respectfully,

[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 12:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

:We're not bound by those ridiculous ToS, and should ignore them. Anyone clicking on a link sends a ''request'' to the host server for a page, it's up to (the owner of) that server to decide how to respond. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] (Pigsonthewing); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]] 12:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

:Quite correct, see [[:Ticketmaster v. Tickets.com]]. ''Framing'' by link can be prohibited, but simple linking cannot, as it does not mislead what the source is, and takes the user to the copyrighted material ''freely offered by the copyright holder'', in the manner the copyright holder chooses to configure their server to give them. Deep linking can no more be prohibited than referring someone to a specific page in a book can be. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 08:29, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

::I consider DGM's request to be polite and reasonable. Nobody has stated that they have any trouble using DGM's search facility with my explicit titles. Thus, I don't see any reason to change my practice when I write my text with my references.

::Andy and you can go around and add things to my copyrighted text if you must, per CC 3.0. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 10:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

:::I consider DGM's request to be evidence of a crass lack of professional competence by the webmaster and/or lawyer who made it; ether way, it has no bearing here. Your comment about the DGM search feature is a straw man. You've done the damage, removing existing references from several Wikipedia articles, with no policy and no consensus to support it; you should fix it. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] (Pigsonthewing); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]] 19:20, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

:::In addition to Andy's comment (which I agree with), I would also point out that DGM's request is neither polite nor reasonable. There is nothing polite about legal threats (that's the ''"Violators will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible"'' line that KW intentionally omitted to make it look less insane). And there is nothing reasonable about the request either, because linking is the nature of the web, and can be used in numerous ways using today's technology. Therefore, anyone can violate DGM's terms without even knowing it, by using various online services that are available in the 21st century. And then they will be "prosecuted to the maximum extent possible"... But KW has been explained that numerous times before, and his ongoing attempts to distort the history of this discusion are getting really disturbing. Anyway, DGM's crazy request should be ignored and full URLs should be used. It is quite clear that this is the consensus here.—[[User:J. M.|J. M.]] ([[User talk:J. M.|talk]]) 06:23, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

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::::Why are you posting this today? Full urls have been added to the article (of the encyclopedia), following the wishes of Arthur Rubin, who at least has tried to edit this article. Please review the history of the article to avoid superfluous suggestions.

::::Ordinarily, when I encounter hortatory, accusations, or moralistic preening, I suggest that a talk-page titan actually do some work improving the article. However, crawling precedes hopscotch. Please translate your talk-page entry into standard written English.

::::[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 08:06, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::I see no full URLs added to ''this'' article. If full URLs have been added to other articles, please provide diffs. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 11:45, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

::::::Your edit summary, Arthur, was rude. You will not be saved from bad faith by the addition of diffs. I don't add diffs when talk-page activists would learn by reading and thinking, preferring to write articles than documenting trivialities known to anybody paying attention.

::::::Adding links to DGM here may increase the flow of readers with good-willed interest in DGM, which may not be objectionable. Adding urls to DGM from [[Grooveshark]] may increase the flow of petulant punks to DGM, wanting to complain that Grooveshark represents a new form of doing business and DGM needs to evolve to an even more mobile intelligent unit which provides music without charging anything.... I should have foreseen the consequences of writing freely. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 12:23, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::::With some exceptions in regard [[WP:BLP]], the ''effect'' of adding links should not be considered, only the value of the material sourced and the links to the article. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 14:00, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

::::::::Please see my previous comments on hortatory and on taking responsibility, Arthur. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 14:07, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::::You've made a statement. Its veracity is doubted; and you've been challenged to substantiate it. If you continue to refuse to do so, it is not unreasonable for people to conclude that you cannot, and that your statement was false. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] (Pigsonthewing); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]] 14:28, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

::::::::The correct conclusion is that you two apparently couldn't be bothered to check the articles already discussed, and you apparently haven't bothered, even after I just pointed them again for readers without sloth. A reasonable person would again examine your [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pigsonthewing| ArbCom case]], including your yearlong ban and other sanctions, which documents your editing behavior, and understand why I don't condescend to waste my time with you, since urls have already been added, for better or for worse, by editors interested in improving articles. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 14:35, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

=== Disruptive editing ===

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WP policy apparently does not prohibit editors from adding more detailed urls, if they wish to violate the terms of service of DGM.

Just add the urls. Do not tag-bomb and disrupt this GA-status to prove a point. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 20:17, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

:Nonsense. The ''less'' detailed URLs are '''incorrect''' (as not supporting the material), and should be removed. I'm not deleting them, because it's likely there is a more detailed URL. The alternative is to tag them '''all''' with {{tl|broken link}}. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 20:23, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

:I would add that use of the link to a web'''site''' (as opposed to page) to support material is a clear violation of [[WP:BLP]], and the material can be removed. I'm commenting them out, rather than removing them, as I believe the material is there, but it's not ''my'' job to find it. Perhaps a GA review based on the mislinking would be appropriate.... — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 20:33, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

::Arthur, use the preview facility before saving. You messed up the formatting, leaving the references with broken links and stray []'s.

::In other words, you don't care enough about the article to add urls, but you do want to destroy the urls which do work and easily allow readers to find the pages. Again, nobody has yet stated that they have any difficulty finding anything at DGM. How long does it take you to find the page? 2 minutes? 5 minutes the first time? [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 20:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

:An alternative would be to:

:#Remove the pseudo-links <nowiki>[__link__ text]</nowiki>

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: — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 20:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

::::Arthur,

::::You couldn't even comment out the links without fucking up that simple task. I begin to understand why you have trouble finding urls. Try to use preview, and if you notice that you are fucking up an article again, don't press save. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 00:54, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::I suspect one of the citation templates which I commented out has an invisible comment, or '''you''' added the inappropriate invisible comment in the citation template, which I missed. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 03:12, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::::You messed up the references and didn't even notice. Now you want to blame me for your suspicions. Why don't you take responsibility for your mistakes? [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 09:20, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

::Please respond to the question. What is the difficulty? How long did it take you to find a page the first time you looked, using the detailed date and title information in each of the notes. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 20:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

:::''Space reserved for Arthur Rubin''': [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 09:20, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

::::I found the problem. The text had references within references. I don't know how to fix it, though. And you now, in the guise of deleting me, have removed some material which is still actually sourced. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 17:42, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::I did not delete you, Arthur. :) I deleted what now appears to be an OR statement without citations, which you have now restored. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 14:10, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

:::As pointed out to you more than once on the regrettably on-going VPP discussion, that question is a straw man, and has no bearing on this matter, .[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] (Pigsonthewing); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]] 11:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

::::Andy,

::::If Arthur states that I have made an error, then I would probably strike the offending statement (as being at best badly expressed), but your expertise in the practice of logic does not seem to be better than the usual WP-participant's level of competence. Please understand that a broken record stuttering "strawman" does not advance the discussion. Above, Arthur at least stated a relevant proposition, about the consideration of consequences, correctly noting it as a fundamental issue on which we disagree, which at least gave me something to think about. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 14:25, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

:Such editors do not "''violate the terms of service of DGM''", never having agreed to them, and such palpably unenforceable and unreasonable conditions not being binding. You have already been advised of such at WP:VPP, where not on editor is in agreement with your position. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] (Pigsonthewing); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]] 21:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

::Andy, you have been advised of the discussion at WP:Copyright infringement, which you failed to link, which had a consensus of informed opinion. You not only failed to link to that discussion, you also misrepresented the consensus there. Your battleground and misrepresentation with your chums at the Village Pump are unfortunately consistent with the editing behavior for which you were previously banned for one year. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 21:24, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

:As I told you a while ago, I have read that discussion, and the consensus which you claim from it does not exist; and so does not support your esoteric and damaging edits to remove or exclude URLs from references. It is also clear that ''subsequent'' discussion at [{WP:VPP]] has consensus against your view. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] (Pigsonthewing); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]] 21:32, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

::Your misrepresentations, even if they were limited to this case rather being well documented over years, remove your authority even further than your lack of writing. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 00:42, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

:::KW, Andy is correct here. You've been told that at VPP, you've been told that here, you were told that at a previous discussion. Deep linking ''cannot be prohibited'', and any such terms in a ToS are unenforceable and meaningless. Bringing up any history is irrelevant. I don't know Andy or you (I recall seeing both your and his name before, but don't really know anything about either of you), but even if Andy is the worst editor here, that's an [[:ad hominem]]. ''Here'', Andy's assessment is right on the dot. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 02:32, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

::::Seraphimblade, for somebody who doesn't "really know anything", you write a lot. We have no policy requiring deep linking in every case, even when prohibited by the ToS. Andy wants to pretend that we do. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 09:15, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::That comment is a lie. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] (Pigsonthewing); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]] 11:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

::::::Would you prefer that Andy consciously and deliberately repeats that falsehood? [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 12:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::::That too would be a lie. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] (Pigsonthewing); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]] 12:54, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::::Uh, KW, on what basis would you say I don't "really know anything", or for that matter that I've written more than you have? And we do have guidelines stating that source citations should be as detailed as possible. When we cite a journal or magazine, we cite the specific issue and article, the date, and the page number. When we cite a book, we cite the specific page. When we cite a website, we cite the specific webpage. We don't any more cite "It's somewhere on this domain" for a website than we would cite "It's somewhere in ''The Journal of the Foobar Association''". The journal or book can't prohibit us from doing that, ''even if a notice in them says they do'', and a site owner can't either. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 15:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

::::::::Please read your previous statement which contains the phrase "really know anything". ;) [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 07:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

==GA Review==

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== ''In the Court of King Crimson'' by Sid Smith ==

Sid Smith's book ''In the Court of King Crimson'' is out-of-print. Would a reader check whether it has pertinent information, please? [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 13:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/Discipline_Global_Mobile/archive1|Peer Review]] ==

Thanks to editor [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] for his great suggestions! [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 11:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&diff=prev&oldid=492591983 Copy edit request] ==

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Hi. I'm responding to your request for a copy edit, and it would be silly of me to try to make drastic changes to a Good Article. The idea here is to fix style issues that may exist, and to improve the article's flow and readability. This won't be done in one session: I've started, and will be coming back to it over the next couple of days. The biggest challenge that I see is to avoid the redundancy of repeated sentences that begin with "DGM". That fatigues the reader, but to avoid it is easier said than done. [[User:Dementia13|Dementia13]] ([[User talk:Dementia13|talk]]) 23:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

:Journalists are cautioned to remember the story about bananas that avoided tiring the reader by employing "elongated yellow fruit". ;)

:[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 05:34, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

::Dear Dementia13!

::You have proved yourself a worthy master (and perhaps grandmaster ...) of the Wikipedia's Guild of Copy Editors.

::Your copy-editing has been surprisingly good, even better than I had wished. You removed a lot of distracting hyperlinks, which our intelligent readers may be trusted to investigate without blue text. You also improved the focus of the article by removing extraneous information many times. Only in a few cases, do I have reservations, and even those I recognize to be matters of taste. Thanks again for your great copy-editing.

::Warm regards, [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 10:13, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

::: If there's anything you have reservations or questions about, please speak up; I might be able to accommodate these. Keep in mind that many things are dictated by Wikipedia style or generally accepted style and are not negotiable, but you'll at least feel better about those if you get an explanation. A couple of comments/questions:

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::::Thanks for your efforts.

::::I know of no reliable sources discussing the current state of DGM, or its state over the last 10 years. I searched on HighBeam, JSTOR, and Google Scholar. I don't believe our policies or my editing practice allow me to write a section based entirely on DGM entries. I assume that a search for DGM and TigerShark (the company dumped by FaceBook, etc.) would produce more information.

::::I prefer to edit to improve the articles. FA and GA status is a tertiary concern, although the review process is of great benefit in my experience. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]] 17:06, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

:::::Hi again!

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:::::2. "Acton" or "Martin". I named the author only when the opinion strikes me as likely to be regarded as a personal opinion rather than a fact. Given your encouragement, I shall remove such in-text citations, and let the footnotes suffice.

:::::Thanks again for your help.

:::::Cheers, [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''K'''</~~font~~span>iefer]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''W'''</~~font~~span>olfowitz]] 17:33, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

::::::Hi. Thanks for your response.

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Isn't DGM logo is [[endless knot]] in some way? Should be this added to the article? --[[User:Dennis714|Dennis714]] ([[User talk:Dennis714|talk]]) 20:18, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

:Ball's blog references a book on Celtic knots as the immediate influence on the first knotwork design that first appeared on the cover of ''[[Discipline (album)|Discipline]]'' by King Crimson. Do you have a reliable source discussing the first design or Ball's design as an "endless knot"? [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</~~font~~span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<~~font~~span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</~~font~~span>]] 08:07, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

:[[WP:BLUE]] applies. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] (Pigsonthewing); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]] 12:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

:*Perhaps you can find a reliable source discussing Celtic knotworks and endless knots, and add it to either or both knot articles. You might look at discussions of Bain to see whether he was influenced by endless knots, and summarize any such discussions in the relevant articles, which are linked from here. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|'''Kiefer''']][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|.Wolfowitz]] 15:24, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

==Replaceable nonfree image==

I've removed the following image under NFCC#1 (replaceable): [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discipline_Global_Mobile&diff=535254227&oldid=535149624]. Kiefer's restoration rationale ("illustration of article") also fails NFCC#8 (decorative). The text can clearly describe the conflict with Grooveshark without inclusion of a nonfree media file. Regardless, however, nonfree media is presumed ''unacceptable'', and would require consensus for ''inclusion''. As such, it must remain removed during the discussion. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 00:12, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discipline_Global_Mobile&diff=535124563&oldid=534190578 Your initial removal had this summary, "rm nonfree (WP:NFCC#1, the text explains this just fine, we don't need a screenshot for "proof"."]

:Please explain or withdraw your edit summary. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|'''Kiefer''']][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|.Wolfowitz]] 21:23, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

:You seem to have misunderstood the policy, which I quoted in the edit summary when I restored the image. Screenshots are allowed for critical commentary. [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|'''Kiefer''']][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|.Wolfowitz]] 22:34, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

::They are allowed for critical commentary ''on the screenshot itself'' or where it shows something directly related to it, such as showing a screenshot of a computer program's UI to give a reader what it looks like in operation. They're not allowed for critical commentary of ''tangentially'' related subjects. We can cite a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] that uses the screenshot in that way, however. My edit and rationale above was clear—"Discipline Global Media was involved with a dispute with Grooveshark because..." explains to the reader perfectly well that the dispute exists and what it was over. The screenshot does not appreciably add to that, and our method of "proof" that such dispute exists or that X did Y is not to use nonfree screenshots, it is to cite good sources. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 02:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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