Talk:Gender-critical feminism: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

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:::::::That is not what [[WP:RS]] say. [[User:Void if removed|Void if removed]] ([[User talk:Void if removed|talk]]) 08:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

:::::::But it is no more fair to call gender critical opinions a hate movement, than it is to call people who are hateful against gender critical beliefs, the particular hate movement. Most gender critical intelectuals have no hate of trans people, they just believe biological sex exists and has consequences. Yes there are people who hate trans, and we must condemn those people, but feeling this issue has nuance, is not hateful. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E|2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E|talk]]) 21:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

:::Transphobic sources are not "mainstream" any more than racist sources are mainstream. There are many books published by Nazi authors, but it is not a "mainstream" perspective. Transphobia – including TERF ideology – is exceedingly fringe in academic contexts. Anarchism is not a relevant comparison because anarchism is a legitimate political ideology with a positive vision for society, it's not just a form of bigotry focused on promoting discrimination against a vulnerable group. TERF ideology is just one specific form of transphobia. White supremacism and homophobia are similar concepts and more relevant comparisons than anarchism. --[[User:Amanda A. Brant|Amanda A. Brant]] ([[User talk:Amanda A. Brant|talk]]) 14:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

::It is appalling to compare gender critical beliefs to the Nazis. That is absolutely ludicrous, most people who were the victims of nazi-ism would have believed in traditional gender critical beliefs, and most humans believe in some GC ideas today. :( [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E|2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E|talk]]) 16:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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::::This article is purely a attempt to frame gender critical feminism as some extremist ideology, which is astounding. Gender critical views such as protecting womens sports and safe spaces are believed in by pluralities of opinion in almost every country on the planet, and in some to not believe those views is regarded as super fringe. To compare it with Nazis, is disgraceful. Look at this article it uses the terms like, terf, far right, conservative and right wing and even nazi over 100 times, it never mentions the word left wing, even though most gender critical people like Dawkins and Rowling, and the Communist Party of Britain, the Alba Party, and former Scottish Greens Leader, Harper (Who is even I am proud to say, proudly LGBT himself), are of the left, but even the article on Hitler only mentions far right once and in relation to where he is in a photo, In other words Wikipedia is more nuanced on the most evil man in history, Hitler, than on a belief, Gender critical feminism, that has aspects believed in by the plurality of people in every country. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:5D54:7200:E4C:B0D9|2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:5D54:7200:E4C:B0D9]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:5D54:7200:E4C:B0D9|talk]]) 06:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

::::You are so cheeky, you give a disgraceful insulting opinion that gender critical views can be likened to Nazi-ism, which is utterly appalling to the victims of Nazi-ism, as the plurality of them would clearly have believed in traditional gender critical views, and then claim anybody who disagrees with that is having a "opinion". You should be ashamed of this miss characterising of gender critical beliefs of good kind people, like Dawkins, Joyce. Stock, Ash Regan, Rosie Duffield, JK Rowling, Robert Winston (Who is Jewish, how dare you compare a good compassionate caring left wing man like him, who is Jewish, with Nazis) and so many left wingers, how dare you, you should be ashamed ashamed, ashamed. It is dreadful what gender ideaology believers are doing, and nobody will fall for it who looks at the issue for over a half a hour. Shame Shame Shame. And the Orwellian nature of gender ideaology, will show up by the excuse for deleting this comment, come on lets see 1984 gender ideaology in action come on lets see the excuse for deleting this comment, and all opinions and facts that contradict this Kafkaesuqe Pythonesque world view, [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E|2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E|talk]]) 07:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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:::For example, in ''Sexed'', Susanna Rustin draws a thread in British feminism from Mary Wollstonecraft to current British gender-critical/sex-based rights/radical feminist movements, to explain why the movement is stronger here than anywhere else in the world. This is a far cry from the opinion of eg. Cristan Williams, who thinks this dates back to lesbian separatists in the US in the 60s.

:::Opinions differ. [[User:Void if removed|Void if removed]] ([[User talk:Void if removed|talk]]) 15:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

::::Totally agree, my criticism of this article, detailing how when talking of this left wing ideology gender critical feminism, which is believed in by Robin Harper former Scottish greens leader, and left wingers like Joyce, Stock and Dawkins, Duffield, Chapelle, Robert Winston, Gervais and Cherry, the Alba Party, and a British Communist party, , well this article disgracefully tries to link GC beliefs with the far right, it mentions far right, conservative and terf and even nazi over 100 times, and mentions left wing no times, whereas the wikipedia article on the most evil man in history Hitler, mentions far right just once, in reference to where is in a photo. Well my comment about that disgraceful mischaracterisation of gender critical beliefs that wikipedia is being more nuanced on Hitler than gender criticalism, is being deleted, as ever Orwellian style dissapeared. But a sick twisted comment likening Gender Criticial beliefs, to the Nazis, is being kept here, this when gender critical beliefs are basically about protecting womens sports and womens safe spaces, and are believed in by a plurality of people to a extent in every country on earth, and often a majority, this article is a disgrace, and the editors doing this mischaracterisation are a disgrace. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E|2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C4:B3AD:8E01:F4A3:F91C:3779:C87E|talk]]) 16:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

:To be honest, given the current state I think it might be better to rename this article "Criticism of Gender Critical Feminism" and start a new one. [[User:Void if removed|Void if removed]] ([[User talk:Void if removed|talk]]) 08:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

::That is not necessary. --[[User:Amanda A. Brant|Amanda A. Brant]] ([[User talk:Amanda A. Brant|talk]]) 11:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)