Talk:Military Frontier: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

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*The sources I provided clearly indicate that the MF was ruled directly by Austrians till 1881 so my edit proposal is clearly backed by the majority of sources. I can present more sources if needed. My entire point is to put it clear in the lede who ruled the Military Frontier, so that way we avoid providing fertile land for POV-pushers claiming some other entity but not Austria ruled MF. Does anyone object and has sources contradicting mines? If not, this is a simple straight-forward edit. [[User:FkpCascais|FkpCascais]] ([[User talk:FkpCascais|talk]]) 18:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

::I can't believe it. You yourself went to edit warring with the claim that Military Frontier was put "under direct rule of the Habsburg military, which would have complete civilian and military authority over it until its abolition". Now you claim that Austria had ruled over Military Frontier. Am I the only one seeing you contradict yourself? No, the Military Frontier was not ruled by Austrians but the military, and the sources you yourself posted assert that very clearly. You can change the quotes but you can't change the context and you can't add your vague claims in. [[User:Detoner|<b style="color:navy">Detoner</b>]] ([[User talk:Detoner|<b style="color:blue">talk</b>]]) 19:23, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Frontier&diff=671023923&oldid=671023609 diff] shows that FkpCascais' revision is the most clear. By "Austrians", one can only understand it as the Austrian government.--[[User_talk:Zoupan|Z<small>oupan</small>]] 18:39, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

:It is just that and adding the year 1881 in the end of the sentence (...''abolition in 1881''). [[User:FkpCascais|FkpCascais]] ([[User talk:FkpCascais|talk]]) 19:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I rest my case. Another editor clearly stated that the subject "Austrians" is vague. Yes, by "Austrians" one would assume exactly that, the Austrian government, and that would be wrong. This is not only vague but wrong and not supported by any source. Austrian government had no such authority to do that but the common government could do that. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary#Government this]. We have no source that speaks of the subject and we can't change the original quotes and add vague and unsourced info to them. The abolition was proclaimed in 1881, but happened during 1870s. The problem is in the reduced knowledge about the subject. I pointed to the context of the quote and the context is not "abolition" so the year 1881 is not stated, but the administrative abolition is stated that happened during 1870s. [[User:Detoner|<b style="color:navy">Detoner</b>]] ([[User talk:Detoner|<b style="color:blue">talk</b>]]) 19:23, 13 July 2015 (UTC)