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== redundant citations ==
There are many full citations that are complete duplicates, even ones to the same page(s). I started unifying these duplicates, starting with Sorenson2001p41 or Sorenson2001p39. After an hour or so I had found that other sources were similarly duplicate-cited. I'm stopping now to get to sleep, but I will return to the task tomorrow and finish it. --[[User:Thnidu|Thnidu]] ([[User talk:Thnidu|talk]]) 05:08, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
== Red and black slaves ==
@94.46.179.65: With [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oromo_people&diff=846399570&oldid=846356508 this] edit, you allege in your edit summary that the cited sources do not discuss "red" and "black" slaves. They do. Please see lines 20-32 of page 73, along with the context on pages 72-74 of the cited ''The Cambridge World History of Slavery'', as one example. If you have concerns, please discuss them here. [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 18:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
:That "the slaves were classified into two groups by the Amhara people, one "red" who were Cushitic-speaking and lighter pigmented, and another "black" also called Bareya or Shanqalla who were Bantu-speaking and darker pigmented" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oromo_people&type=revision&diff=846456591&oldid=846401297] is not indicated in the linked urls [https://www.google.com/books?id=5qp_3aL76isC&pg=PA72] [https://www.google.com/books?id=XM-PAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA122] [https://www.google.com/books?id=wnxeCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT51]. The Cambridge url does touch on "red" and "black" slaves on page 73, but it doesn't assert that all of the "red" slaves were Oromo, Sidama and other Cushitic speakers from southern and southwestern Ethiopia. It instead states that they comprised the bulk of the "red" slaves [https://www.google.com/books?id=5qp_3aL76isC&pg=PA73]. The Cambridge url also doesn't claim that the "black" slaves were Bantu. The original Lipsky text indicates that these slaves were actually captured along the Sudanese-Ethiopian border [https://www.google.com/books?id=_PRyAAAAMAAJ&q=%22A+number+of+Negro+peoples+live+along+the+Sudanese-Ethiopian+border+and+are+referred+to+by+the+Amharas+as+Shankella%22&dq=%22A+number+of+Negro+peoples+live+along+the+Sudanese-Ethiopian+border+and+are+referred+to+by+the+Amharas+as+Shankella%22&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK2JfWlODbAhXJcRQKHUkwA3QQ6AEIJzAA]. [[Special:Contributions/94.46.179.65|94.46.179.65]] ([[User talk:94.46.179.65|talk]]) 16:41, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
:Also, I changed the redundant and longer page title heading "Enslavement of Oromos and Oromos as slave-owners" to the non-redundant and shorter "Slave-ownership and enslavement" according to [[MOS:HEAD]]. It states that "a heading should not redundantly refer back to the subject of the article (Early life, not Smith's early life or His early life), or to a higher-level heading, unless doing so is shorter or clearer." [[Special:Contributions/94.46.179.65|94.46.179.65]] ([[User talk:94.46.179.65|talk]]) 16:43, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
::You offer a straw man argument when you state "...on page 73, but it doesn't assert all of the red slaves were Oromo...". Where does this article state this? The article states,
:::"The slaves were classified into two groups by the Amhara people, one "red" who were Cushitic-speaking and lighter pigmented, and another "black" also called Bareya or Shanqalla who were Bantu-speaking and darker pigmented.[59][61][62] The "red" slaves were more expensive and exported, while the "black" slaves were kept domestically such as by Christian Abyssinians.[59][63] The Cushitic-speaking Oromos formed the expensive and the bulk of 'Ethiopian' slaves exported to Arabian peninsula and Persian Gulf regions,[64][18] to Ottoman Empire markets,[65] to Egypt and elsewhere.[59] Young female Oromo slaves served as concubines and household workers,[66] while males were in demand for private armies and servile labor.[62]"
::I will add a clarification for the "bulk of" part, since all of the red slaves were indeed not Oromo, assuming that is what your concern is. The problem with your retitling is what to put first, slave-ownership or enslavement. Either style leaves a first impression to a new reader. It also may invite edit warring and lead to an unstable article. Just simple "slavery" title avoids all these potential complications. [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 23:40, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
:::The text above asserts that "the slaves were classified into two groups by the Amhara people, one "red" who were Cushitic-speaking." This suggests that all of the red slaves were Cushitic-speaking. However, the link actually indicates that Cushitic speakers from southern and southwestern Ethiopia just comprised the bulk of the "red" slaves [https://www.google.com/books?id=5qp_3aL76isC&pg=PA73]. None of the urls also indicate that the "black" slaves were Bantu-speaking [https://www.google.com/books?id=5qp_3aL76isC&pg=PA72][https://www.google.com/books?id=XM-PAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA122][https://www.google.com/books?id=wnxeCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT51]. Therefore, I recommend "The slaves were classified into two groups according to Amhara color conventions: "red" slaves, who were light brown in complexion and mostly from Cushitic-speaking populations of southern and southwestern Ethiopia, and "black" slaves called ''Bareya'' or ''Shanqalla'' ("Negro"), who were from the Sudanese-Ethiopian border." [[Special:Contributions/94.46.179.75|94.46.179.75]] ([[User talk:94.46.179.75|talk]]) 16:03, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 November 2023 ==
::::@94.46.179.75: Where is the support for "Sudanese-Ethiopian border"? I see "western fringes of Christian Ethiopia" on page 73 of ''The Cambridge World History of Slavery'', but the historic maps have some uncertainty, the borders have changed and these two phrases need not be equivalent. Unless you can find a WP:RS to support that wording, we may need to reword this. BTW, welcome to wikipedia and please consider opening an account. [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 23:11, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
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:::::The Sudanese-Ethiopian border is indicated in the Lipsky url [https://www.google.com/books?redir_esc=y&id=_PRyAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22Sudanese-Ethiopian+border%22]. [[Special:Contributions/94.46.179.75|94.46.179.75]] ([[User talk:94.46.179.75|talk]]) 15:46, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
I have previously made major contributions to this article. I have a keen interest in this topic and have noticed a few areas where I believe the article could benefit from updates and improvements. [[User:Abrasax123|Abrasax123]] ([[User talk:Abrasax123|talk]]) 02:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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== Deleting Content without Explanation ==
{{od}}@94.46.179.75: Ok. I added a few more words to clarify. [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 00:42, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
@[[User:Socialwave597|Socialwave597]] You have been continuously deleting and editing much content on this page without giving explanation. In some cases, you are even removing factual content such as the mention of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oromo_people&diff=next&oldid=1190806410 Oromo's being mentioned in the 1400's]. Why did you delete that for instance? Please explain the deletion of that and in the future, please continue to explain why you are removing or editing content in the editing place designated for explaining why you are editing content. As I notice a lot of debateable content that you edited and/or removed. [[User:LeenchaOromia|LeenchaOromia]] ([[User talk:LeenchaOromia|talk]]) 01:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:Ok. [[Special:Contributions/94.46.179.80|94.46.179.80]] ([[User talk:94.46.179.80|talk]]) 14:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:@[[User:LeenchaOromia|LeenchaOromia]] ? I didn't remove that? It's literally in the history section of the article. If you have any questions about my edits please feel free to ask me here. [[User:Socialwave597|Socialwave597]] ([[User talk:Socialwave597|talk]]) 04:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
==Religion==
::It seems you have forgotten, but the diff I just linked shows that you removed it. It looks like you did that because it was already mentioned in the history section like you said. But this is exactly why you need to explain why you removed content in the designated edit summary otherwise it is considered a violation of [[WP:UCR]]
Most Oromos follow either Islam (>60%) or Christianity (>30%). Fewer than 3% adhere to a traditional religion [https://www.google.com/books?id=tYtAAQAAIAAJ&q=%22Probably+a+little+more+than+60+percent+of+them+are+Muslim,+more+than+30+percent+are+Christian,+and+less+than+3+percent+still+follow+the+traditional+religion%22&dq=%22Probably+a+little+more+than+60+percent+of+them+are+Muslim,+more+than+30+percent+are+Christian,+and+less+than+3+percent+still+follow+the+traditional+religion%22&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjny8qyluDbAhUOlxQKHWa8AhIQ6AEIMDAB]. [[Special:Contributions/94.46.179.65|94.46.179.65]] ([[User talk:94.46.179.65|talk]]) 16:46, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
::The talk page is not the place to ask questions and explain why you made the edits you made. That is the purpose of the edit summary. I am just suggesting you make use of that in the future [[User:LeenchaOromia|LeenchaOromia]] ([[User talk:LeenchaOromia|talk]]) 22:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Understood. [[User:Socialwave597|Socialwave597]] ([[User talk:Socialwave597|talk]]) 22:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
== JUMPp1harm, why are you changing the pictures around? ==
:You searched, "Probably a little more than 60 percent of them are Muslim, more than 30 percent are Christian, and less than 3 percent still follow the traditional religion". The search result was "A sua pesquisa não encontrou nenhum documento". This translates to "Your search did not match any documents." [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 23:24, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
@[[User::Correct,JUMPp1harm|JUMPp1harm]] theis indicatedthere percentagesa arereason >60%why Muslim,you >30%are Christian,switching andthe <3%photos traditional religion.around? [[SpecialUser:Contributions/94.46.179.75Abrasax123|94.46.179.75Abrasax123]] ([[User talk:94.46.179.75Abrasax123|talk]]) 1623:0533, 2025 JuneFebruary 20182024 (UTC)
:is there a reason why you are switching the photos around? [[User:JUMPp1harm|JUMPp1harm]] ([[User talk:JUMPp1harm|talk]]) 00:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
:::The link now works. Thanks. We cannot declare estimates the source states as "probable" without that qualification. We have two estimates, we cannot take sides per the NPOV guideline. In lead, we should retain a statement about the historic religion of the Oromos as well as estimates for their current affiliations. The lead now does this. Please do not delete the former. [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 23:11, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
::I am not changing the photos around: I am leaving the status quo. I'm more confused as to why you are changing the positions of the photos. [[User:Abrasax123|Abrasax123]] ([[User talk:Abrasax123|talk]]) 00:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
:::I am not changing the photos around: I am leaving the status quo. I'm more confused as to why you are changing the positions of the photos [[User:JUMPp1harm|JUMPp1harm]] ([[User talk:JUMPp1harm|talk]]) 00:36, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
::::You are clearly not leaving it the status quo as you first changed the photos position yesterday at 19:56. [[User:Abrasax123|Abrasax123]] ([[User talk:Abrasax123|talk]]) 00:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Abrasax123|Abrasax123]] @[[User:JUMPp1harm|JUMPp1harm]] Can both of you guys stop? You got the [[Amhara people]] article locked and now you're trying to get this page locked too. Both of you need to let this go, otherwise a permeant block is imminent. [[User:Socialwave597|Socialwave597]] ([[User talk:Socialwave597|talk]]) 22:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
== "An Arsi Oromo attending an Irreechaa celebration" ==
::::Yes, the range estimates are alright. [[Special:Contributions/94.46.179.75|94.46.179.75]] ([[User talk:94.46.179.75|talk]]) 15:46, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
While the bead crown worn by the woman depicted in the photo by user Abrasax123 resembles other availible photos of Oromo bead headwear, the term used to describe it, "Qarma crown," can be found nowhere else on the English speaking internet. Her clothing does not resemble other pictures of Oromo attire availible on wikipedia and elsewhere.
:The linked source we are currently using in the Infobox states "About half of the Oromos are Sunni Muslim, a third are Ethiopian Orthodox, with smaller Protestant or traditional communities" - https://books.google.com/books?id=pGClDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA319#v=onepage&q&f=false
More importantly, I am almost certain that the light skinned woman in the picture is not Arsi/Oromo.
[[Special:Contributions/2602:306:CFEA:170:A19F:9593:E6A0:BD26|2602:306:CFEA:170:A19F:9593:E6A0:BD26]] ([[User talk:2602:306:CFEA:170:A19F:9593:E6A0:BD26|talk]]) 02:58, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
This image should probably get deleted, but I'll leave that to a more experienced editor as I'm not aware of the policy around that. [[Special:Contributions/142.112.183.63|142.112.183.63]] ([[User talk:142.112.183.63|talk]]) 05:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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