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Line 219: :::{{u|Justlettersandnumbers}}, many thanks. I should have searched for an archived link. Kind regards, [[User:Cavalryman|Cavalryman]] ([[User talk:Cavalryman|talk]]) 12:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC). A link provided to an article with no author taking responsibility, no references cited as to where this information came from, yet some believe that this information is in some way "reliable". [[Special:Contributions/182.239.146.186|182.239.146.186]] ([[User talk:182.239.146.186|talk]]) 23:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC) *In response to CM's comment that "There appears to be a concerted effort to exclude any information from this article", there definitely is an effort, but I question your allegation that it's a "concerted" one. Of course there is an effort, and I'm surprised more haven't joined in to prevent the addition of confusing fringe material in an article that wears the GA emblem. If the fringe isn't bad enough, it gets even worse when it's based on anecdotal accounts about undocumented crosses that were never considered a breed. Bull and terrier crosses represent a [[Dog type|type of dog]] that dates back to the days of bloodsports in the mid-1800s. DNA evidence proves that bull and terrier crosses are the result of undocumented crossbreeding. What you are trying to convince others is that it's factual information based on verifiable documentation about the breed's origins, when in reality the material is nothing more than passing mention of anecdotal accounts in some dog books which makes it noncompliant with [[WP:V]], [[WP:FRINGE]] and [[WP:OR]] - and you are challenging what is currently in the article - tagged it as having NPOV issues - when in fact, the material currently in the article is based on DNA evidence and documentation from reputable/reliable breed registries. The [https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/staffordshire-bull-terrier/ AKC History section] states (my bold underline): {{xt|The story of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a relatively brief one in the grand scheme of canine history, '''<u>but it can be confused by the several different names hung on the breed at various times.</u>''' The Bull-and-Terrier, the Patched Fighting Terrier, the Staffordshire Pit-dog, and the Brindle Bull are a few of the Stafford’s historical aliases.}} We do not want to introduce confusing aliases into this GA stamped article which is what you are attempting to do. Furthermore, there is strong DNA evidence - science based evidence - about the Stafford's ancestral origins that is already included in the article. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5492993/ ''Genomic Analyses Reveal the Influence of Geographic Origin, Migration, and Hybridization on Modern Dog Breed Development''] clearly states (my bold underline): {{xt|The ability to determine a time of hybridization for recent admixture events can refine sparse historical accounts of breed formation. For example, when dog fighting was a popular form of entertainment, many combinations of terriers and mastiff or bully-type breeds were crossed to create dogs that would excel in that sport. In this analysis, '''<u>all of the bull and terrier crosses map to the terriers of Ireland and date to 1860-1870.</u>''' This coincides perfectly with the historical descriptions that, '''<u>though they do not clearly identify all breeds involved,</u>''' report the popularity of dog contests in Ireland and the lack of stud book veracity, '''<u>hence undocumented crosses, during this era of breed creation</u>''' (Lee, 1894).}} Look at the dark blue section of Figure 1 - ''Cladogram of 161 Domestic Dog Breeds''. There are many theories about how various dog breeds began, but theories that are not backed by science or verifiable facts are fringe theories. This article is sourced to science-based information backed by factual documentation published by reputable breed registries and kennel clubs that have for years maintained stud books, conducted DNA testing, and accumulated reliable documentation, all of which was required before putting their stamp on the breed as a '''purebred'''. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 01:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC) | |||