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== Historical Section Concerns==

Reading over this page, I felt like having so much information bunched together in one section was overwhelming. There's also an opportunity for improvement since the period of time between Arab conquest and Revolution is so extensive.[[User:MarceloFelCav|MarceloFelCav]] ([[User talk:MarceloFelCav|talk]]) 20:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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== Neutral Opinion ==

Hello! I noticed that this article had been listed as requesting a neutral third opinion at [[WP:3O]]. I can see that all editors are very interested in contributing postively to this encyclopedia. I will continue to review this matter with the goal of offering an opinion in the next couple of days. It would help if the involved editors could make a brief (less than a paragraph) summary of what version they believe to be correct, and why (with sources) they believe it to be so. Thanks! —[[User:Matheuler|<~~font~~span ~~color~~style=" color:#871F78;">Matheuler</~~font~~span>]] 17:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

:Hi! Thank you for your contribution.[[East Azarbaijan]] is an Iranian province.Due to the fact that the country north of this province is spelled as [[Azerbaijan]] in English usage , our debate is to use the local Iranian name of '''''East Azarbaijan''''' or it's alternative '''''East Azerbaijan''''' in this article(and perhaps in all of the templates and pages that use this name ).Google tests for finding dominant English name are given in the above section.--[[User:Alborz Fallah|Alborz Fallah]] ([[User talk:Alborz Fallah|talk]]) 18:06, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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:: The discussion is about English name of a province in Iran; which I believe East Az'''e'''rbaijan is the correct word. The point about the other word (which I think it is used incorrectly, the East Az'''a'''rbaijan) is that first term of the word, East, translated from Farsi to English. But the second term, Azerbaijan, is transferred from Farsi to English (Azarbaijan). I believe that we have to use Azerbaijan word which is widely used in English for calling the region. So I suggest using '''East Azerbaijan''' word for the province name.--[[User:Microinjection|Microinjection]] ([[User talk:Microinjection|talk]]) 19:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Those responses are very clear. I can certainly see that both sides have a valid viewpoint. I would like input regarding the following: (1) What is the generally accepted practice in independent secondary sources (e.g. english language newspapers and academic journals) (2) What is the practice followed on other (perhaps more visible) Wikipedia articles (I will check some, but you likely have more experience in this area). —[[User:Matheuler|<~~font~~span ~~color~~style=" color:#871F78;">Matheuler</~~font~~span>]] 00:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

::Actually there isn't any official translation or an English newspaper in this matter (at least I haven't seen yet). But inside dictionary or maps normally Azerbaijan is used to calling this region (I mean for both of Republic of Azerbaijan + Iranian Azerbaijan provinces). However inside net various verbs is used for the proviences (East '''Azerbaijan''': http://iguide.travel/East_Azerbaijan_%28Iran%29 Western '''Azarbayejan''': http://www.salinesystems.org/content/2/1/9 East '''Azarbayjan''': http://www.iranchamber.com/provinces/08_east_azarbaijan/08_east_azarbaijan.php or '''Azarbayjan-e-Sharqi''' in google map and so on).--[[User:Microinjection|Microinjection]] ([[User talk:Microinjection|talk]]) 04:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

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::::''Azerbaijan'' is a common word which is used widely to calling the region in English (most of dictionaries and encyclopedias have used the word). The Azerbaijani word for the province is Sharqi-Azerbaijan; the Farsi name is Azerbaijan-e-Sharghi; Currently East Azarbaijan is used in the article. I'm offering change the name to East Azerbaijan since already the first term is translated from Farsi to English and it is used as an adjective so we have to use English word for the second term also (Azerbaijan).--[[User:Microinjection|Microinjection]] ([[User talk:Microinjection|talk]]) 13:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::I don't understand how "Azarbaijan" vs. "Azerbaijan" is an issue of translation. They look to me as though they are both alternative transliterations of the same word. Unlike with Mandarin, there is no single agreed upon transliteration of Perso-Arabic script, so far as I'm aware. In [[Azerbaijan]], the Latin alphabet is used, and spells the name as such. I'm just wondering why we should ever use "Azarbaijan." [[User:John Kenney|john k]] ([[User talk:John Kenney|talk]]) 13:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you all again for these insightful comments. Following my review of the facts, I must conclude that the proper term for this article is '''Az''e''rbaijan'''. The term Azerbaijan is used in the Wikipedia articles on [[Iran]] and many associated Iranian articles. Even if the wordings were seen to be of equal merit (such as color and colour), for the sake of consistency we should go with the more used Azerbaijan. —[[User:Matheuler|<~~font~~span ~~color~~style=" color:#871F78;">Matheuler</~~font~~span>]] 02:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

:Pardon about my delay in responding .About the transliteration of Perso-Arabic to English , the word آذربایجان in Persian , has the [[Diacritic]] [[Arabic_diacritics#Fat.E1.B8.A5a|Fatḥa]], that makes it Azarbaijan in English transliteration .In Matheuler's search in Wikipedia , keep in mind that a '''''recent''''' movement in changing the pages that use the word Azarbaijan is in progress ( as an example , [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=East_Azerbaijan_Province&diff=312431015&oldid=310687268], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Azerbaijan_Province&diff=313249005&oldid=309939323],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Largest_cities_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=312080225] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Provinces_of_Iran_Labelled_Map&diff=prev&oldid=312080413]) that may have effect the whole outcome and your judgment (all from 5 to 11 September ). And to add , in using the name that is more similar to Azeri dialect , than to Persian ,in English ; there is concerns about neutrality (NPOV).By using a name that makes Republic of Azerbaijan same as province of Azarbaijan , there can be doubts about the legitimacy of artificial borders .Although the name Azerbaijan in historical sense was never been applied to the north region of Aras river until recently (1918).--[[User:Alborz Fallah|Alborz Fallah]] ([[User talk:Alborz Fallah|talk]]) 10:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

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Another example is removing Ahad Hoseini from this page. The editor who has deleted this person's name from "Tabriz" should be a person who knows almost nothing about Tabriz. Ahad Hoseini is a globally well known sculptor and painter whose works are in international art museums. Any responsible person could have a short surfing on the Internet and could find plenty of data about him. I suggest to the chief editor of this page to roll back all the changes made by that editor.

[[User:قيصري|قيصري]] ([[User talk:قيصري|talk]]) 07:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

*I added two of the above. [[Yadollah Maftun Amini.]] did not live in Tabriz.This isn't [[List of people from Tabriz]] which is not very good at all, too easy to use it for self-publicity or just misunderstanding that it is not really a list of people from Tabriz. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 14:51, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

== Tebriz ==

in Turkish. [[User:Böri|Böri]] ([[User talk:Böri|talk]]) 12:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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== "Sample of Tabrizi traditional foods" ==

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I didn't realize [[Fanta]] was Tabriz's traditional drink. lol --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 20:48, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

::The coke and the presented yugurt are not part of the traditional food in Tabriz. --[[User:F4fluids|F4fluids]] ([[User talk:F4fluids|talk]]) 15:49, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

== Persian Nationalistic bias of the article ==

Unfortunately, the article has a general tendency to emphasize on the political agenda that "Azerbaijan is an inseparable part of Iran". As a result, the information has been delicately twisted to conform with a particular political belief. In my opinion, the article should be refined with the goal of providing honest and unbiased information. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Abdossamad Talebpour|Abdossamad Talebpour]] ([[User talk:Abdossamad Talebpour|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Abdossamad Talebpour|contribs]]) 22:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

== Contradicts Itself ==

The article apparently contradicts itself. Is Tabriz the 4th or 5th most populous city in Iran? [[Special:Contributions/93.143.30.140|93.143.30.140]] ([[User talk:93.143.30.140|talk]]) 13:26, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

::Thank you for the comment. I corrected the contradicting part.--[[User:F4fluids|F4fluids]] ([[User talk:F4fluids|talk]]) 15:46, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

== [[Timeline of Tabriz]] ==

What is missing from the [[Timeline of Tabriz|city timeline]]? Please add relevant content. Thank you. -- [[User:M2545|M2545]] ([[User talk:M2545|talk]]) 13:03, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

=== City of the firsts ===

Due to its location as a western gateway of Iran, many modern developments have been adopted first in this city, leading to its moniker as a "city of firsts".<ref>For a complete list of Firsts in Tabriz see:

سرداري‌نيا، صمد. "تبريز شهر اولين‌ها"، تبريز: كانون فرهنگ و هنر آذربايجان، 1381

</ref> These include:

* Iran's first printing house was founded in Tabriz (1811).

* Iran's first modern school was founded in Tabriz by [[Hassan Roshdieh]] (1888).

* The first Iranian special school for [[deaf]] children was founded in Tabriz by [[Jabbar Baghcheban]] (1924).

* The first Iranian special school for [[Blindness|blind]] students was founded in Tabriz by a German mission (1926).

* The first Iranian [[kindergarten]] was founded in Tabriz by [[Jabbar Baghcheban]] (1923).

* Iran's first modern-style municipal government was set up in Tabriz.

* Tabriz Chamber of Commerce was the first of its kind founded in [[Iran]] (1906).

* The first public libraries in modern Iran were founded in Tabriz.

* Iran's first cinema was founded in Tabriz (1900), while the first cinema in [[Tehran]] was founded by a Tabrizi (1921).

* Tabriz was the first city in Iran to install a telephone system (about 1900).

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== Sister city ==

The general policy of the City of Vienna is not to sign any twin or sister city agreements with other cities. Instead Vienna has only cooperation agreements in which specific cooperation areas are defined. Moreover these agreements are limited in time, and presently there is no such agreement with the city of Tabriz (there has been, yes, but not now). See [https://www.wien.gv.at/english/politics/international/networks/city-cooperation.html]. So it is incorrect to claim Tabriz is twinned with Vienna. [[User:Sapphorain|Sapphorain]] ([[User talk:Sapphorain|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Is modern Tabriz really divided into 10 districts? ==

We list 20. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 18:03, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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== Languages other than Persian ==

See [http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iran/19072018 this]. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 17:02, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

== Districts sections a mess ==

Tabriz only has 10 municipal districts, numbered 1-10.[http://en.tabriz.ir/?PageID=45 official site][https://www.gjesm.net/article_30269_b8bc98ea9553790f2776bb9a618807ca.pdf] It seems to have had 22 earlier in this decade.[https://financialtribune.com/articles/people/63396/tehran-grows-but-some-districts-left-behind] [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:16, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

== name of tabriz in azerbaijani script? ==

WHy there is need to be azerbaijani script in an iranian province which the official language of the country is Persian?while there are both same script and thing.[[User:Simsala111|Simsala111]] ([[User talk:Simsala111|talk]]) 03:23, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== Tags in "Firsts" in Iran ==

This article is currently on the Front Page as part of Today's Featured Picture, and as a general principle orange tags should be resolved before posting there. ''"Firsts" in Iran'' is tagged with orange tag {{t|more citations needed}} and the yellow tag {{t|tone}}. However, it seems that the orange tag has already been resolved; all points in the list are referenced. If there's no objection to removing the {{t|more citations needed}} tag, then I or someone else can go ahead and do it. The yellow tag may stay; some of the grammar is odd.[[Special:Contributions/130.233.213.141|130.233.213.141]] ([[User talk:130.233.213.141|talk]]) 08:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

::After nearly two weeks and no objections, I have [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tabriz&type=revision&diff=1047168659&oldid=1046846229 removed the orange tag] in this section.[[Special:Contributions/130.233.213.141|130.233.213.141]] ([[User talk:130.233.213.141|talk]]) 11:46, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

== typo - needs correction ==

"the city was captured for Russia '''in 182''' by General Prince Eristov, who marched into the city with 3,000 soldiers"

This is obviously meant to say "in 182X". I tried to uncover "X" by reviewing the history of Tabriz article, but found nothing supporting in that page. I need to move on to something else, and wanted to flag the found issue. Cheers. [[User:Scootz555|Scootz555]] ([[User talk:Scootz555|talk]]) 14:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)