Talk:The Bell Curve: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

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*To suggest that racial differences in intelligence don't exist because "race" and "intelligence" lack "any agreed-upon definition" is pure sophistry and makes building a accurate encyclopedia impossible. Doing so flatly contradicts the "scientific consensus" that has become the trier of fact for much of Wikipedia. The simple truth is that—in the scientific world, in Wikipedia, and amongst the public—IQ tests are broadly accepted to measure (albeit imperfectly) what is commonly called "intelligence". A cursory glance at our other articles reveals this to be true: that IQ tests measure intelligence isn't hotly debated in, for example, the [[Sex differences in intelligence]] article—since men and women have roughly equal average intelligence, there's no need for "social-justice" crusaders to distort or disappear the truth. [[Race and sports]] doesn't begin by claiming race is a construct with no established meaning, and thus nothing can be said about a "connection" between race and sports. Only in the context of [[Race and intelligence]] does the word "intelligence" (along with "race") become so ineffable as to be unquantifiable, if not outright indefinable—obviously because the very real racial differences in average intelligence are too malodorous and unpalatable for some. There is a cadre of editors who police R&I and related articles, making sure they don't reflect the obvious truth—which in turn, makes those articles incompatible with the rest of the encyclopedia. This is a serious problem that needs to be addressed in order to have accurate, consistent, and NPOV articles. Obscuring or omitting the truth because it is reminiscent of ugly history or makes people uncomfortable is no way to build an encyclopedia together.

Thanks for everyone's input! [[User:Ekpyros|Elle Kpyros]] ([[User talk:Ekpyros|talk]]) 22:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

: They were anathematized for purporting ''something'' controversial. You are right that purported "likelihood" (of genetic influence on...) is the most accurate. I could live with "purported genetic" at the level of imprecision in article leads. I think, though, that this discussion like dozens of others on WP is beset by a fake definition of hereditarianism. No political camp has ever much cared about the possibility of a few points of average IQ difference between groups having a genetic cause. The argument has always been about Jensen's contention that ''large'' differences consequential for social policy and education are of genetic origin. But we are getting tooth and claw RGW/POVFIGHTER levels of resistance (and outright falsifications) to almost meaningless "some differences may exist" type of assertions and a perceived need to Wiki—anathematize even those. Pour encourager les autres. [[User:Sesquivalent|Sesquivalent]] ([[User talk:Sesquivalent|talk]]) 03:19, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

=== IQ differences vs differences in "real intelligence" ===