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:You probably figured out I'm not new to Wikipedia, so I don't see the point of this template. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 14:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Also, in regards to your asking of me to ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:212.200.243.116&diff=prev&oldid=266246965 Please consider using a logged-in account?]'', please consider that I probably considered that option already in the past, and that there probably are reasons for me not to use a logged-in account, and that your and others continuous reminders are in fact not received as friendly notices, but irritating ones. Also if it really bothers you so much that others don't login, consider [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Foundation_issues leaving this project] and finding the one where login-in is required. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 14:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::: You are correct that editors do not need to login to use Wikipedia, in most cases. However, when an anonymous account shows up at a powderkeg article and starts making inflammatory comments such as "rural minds are inferior"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_pseudosciences_and_pseudoscientific_concepts&diff=prev&oldid=266215323] or other confrontational statements, that anon is going to be asked to leave. So, if you would like to continue in the discussion with occasional civil and collegial comments, that's fine. One more inflammatory comment though, and your account access may be blocked. See also [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience#Discretionary sanctions]]. So please, simply stay civil and keep your comments focused on the article, with an eye towards finding a compromise, and there should be no further problems. --[[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 19:14, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:::: It was an obvious sarcasm aimed at other editor's comment which was derogatory of rural doctors. Or maybe you think that comment was somehow O.K.? I find sarcasm and humor to be better "weapons" in exposing certain absurdities, then falsely "polite" arguments presented by few other editors. If you think that sarcasm was inflammatory, than I guess you come from different cultural background than me. You can ask any 'anon' to leave, and I personally don't give a damn about that -- Wikipedia is not yours, as as far as I'm concerned, you can leave. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 19:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::::: You write that there ''"probably are reasons for me not to use a logged-in account."'' Well, whatever your reasoning, it has the effect of violating a fundamental principle at Wikipedia, and that is transparency. It is forbidden for editors to seek to evade the scrutiny of other editors:
:::::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCK#Avoiding_scrutiny
:::::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/SPI/Guidance#Examples_of_forbidden_uses_of_multiple_accounts_or_meat-puppetry
::::: You may have your own reasons for "why" you are not logging in, but the effect of your actions still makes it hard for other editors to understand ("scrutinize") your actions, and thus you are violating their trust. Be open. What's there to be afraid of? Just use your proper username, or get one if you want to be taken seriously. If your contributions are dubious, then they can get ignored or deleted on sight. -- [[User:Fyslee|Fyslee]] ([[User talk:Fyslee|talk]]) 20:00, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::1) You should first read '''and understand''' the sources that you provided, and explain how they have any relevance to me.
::::::2) If you think I am a [[WP:SOCK]], than take it to relevant noticeboard, and stop bothering me here.
::::::3) Maybe this project [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Foundation_issues isn't for you] either.
::::::[[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 20:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Your confrontational, impolite, and uncooperative style aren't helping you, but hey, you have the shovel in your own hands. If you really want to bury yourself, keep digging. You're doing a pretty good job. -- [[User:Fyslee|Fyslee]] ([[User talk:Fyslee|talk]]) 21:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Thus spoke wise Fyslee. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 21:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
whois 212.200.243.116 "Serbia And Montenegro Telekom Srbija Adsl Users " is not a fixed IP address.
From your comment on [[Wikipedia_talk:Editing_policy]] "NJGW, you seem to have a difficulty understanding what a sockpupet account is. Why am I not surprised." it seems that you are an experienced editor with a caustic turn of phrase, have you ever edited under a user name? If so what names have you used? --[[User:Philip Baird Shearer|PBS]] ([[User talk:Philip Baird Shearer|talk]]) 18:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, you will need to cite me a policy by which I am required to answer you to that question. (btw, you need to translate to me ''caustic turn of phrase'' into simple english.) [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 18:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
== January 2009 ==
[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|do not attack]] other editors{{#if:|, which you did here: [[:{{{1}}}]]}}. If you continue, you '''will''' be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-npa3 --> ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Expanding_Earth&diff=267037716&oldid=257500247], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:212.200.241.72&diff=264694787&oldid=264694536], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EhJJ&diff=264866537&oldid=264818314]'' [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 20:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:''If this is a shared [[IP address]], and you didn't make the edit, consider [[Wikipedia:Why create an account?|creating an account]] for yourself so you can avoid further irrelevant notices.''
::You want to say that you are not stalking my edits? That you were not harassing me with requirement to create an account? That your logic was valid in the example given? Maybe I can show you some forums for kids so that you can see how they argue about things? [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 20:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, yes, yes. On those forums, do they call eachother children? [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 20:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Let's start with your logic. Prove now any of the claims that you made to which I replied here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EhJJ&diff=264866537&oldid=264818314] I pasted them below. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 20:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::''Interesting... 212, aren't you the one who persisted in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:216.80.119.92&diff=prev&oldid=229172974 hounding SA] after "vanishing", kept trying to get Jehochman sanctioned for doing his job (and even followed him around enough to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2008/Vote/Jehochman&diff=255299228&oldid=255298761 pop up again later]), and tried to get a retired user "preventatively" indef blocked. As for DHCP, I don't think it's too much to ask (though [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SesquipedalianVerbiage&diff=prev&oldid=229611959 clearly you do]) that regular editors stick to one account to avoid confusion and misunderstandings. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 06:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)''
:::::Still not talking [[Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks|about the content]]? It's a pretty simple policy. What were the childish forums you were talking about? Maybe [[wp:NOTFORUM|you would have more fun there]]. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 20:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::But I am responding to your third (number 4) accusation reference above. I want to show you how your logic was indeed on the level of a child. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 21:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::When you tell me my edits are biased, that is somehow not a personal attack, and when I tell you your logic is deficient, that somehow is. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 21:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Oh good, you're learning. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 21:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Point by point:
*''Interesting... 212, aren't you the one who persisted in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:216.80.119.92&diff=prev&oldid=229172974 hounding SA] after "vanishing", kept trying to get Jehochman sanctioned for doing his job''
::first, I never vanished, so you are making conclusions from invalid premises. second I did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ScienceApologist&diff=prev&oldid=229169827 this] after SA did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_fluoridation_opposition&diff=229102621&oldid=228786806 this]("hounding" by me?) and Jehochman therefore didn't do his 'job'
:::You no longer wanted to be associated with your named account; that sounds like trying to vanish. You misused the phrase "vandalism" in the midst of a content dispute. Your interest in Jehochman goes far beyond that instance, so don't pretend it doesn't. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 21:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I guess I did injustice to six year olds. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 21:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
*'' (and even followed him around enough to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2008/Vote/Jehochman&diff=255299228&oldid=255298761 pop up again later]), ''
::It was advertized all over WP so no need to 'follow' anyone
:::No, just to hold a grudge for 6 months. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 21:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Definitely injustice. Sorry kids. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 21:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
*''and tried to get a retired user "preventatively" indef blocked. ''
::That "retired" editor [[WP:OUTING]]ed at least two other editors. How could he do that if he was "retired"
:::If I recall, he retired after the outings. You even apologised eventually for bringing it up. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 21:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Nope. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 21:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
*''As for DHCP, I don't think it's too much to ask (though [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SesquipedalianVerbiage&diff=prev&oldid=229611959 clearly you do]) that regular editors stick to one account to avoid confusion and misunderstandings.''
::How can one stick to one IP on [[DHCP]]? What other account did I ever use? You are talking nonsense. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 21:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Your general comment about using different accounts was being referenced with the phrase "As for DHCP", not the specific issues behind a dynamic IP address. As you can see above, you stir up hornets nests where ever you go, and get to avoid scrutiny by using multiple IPs. You used to use a [[user talk:216.80.119.92|static IP]]. What happened to that? You also used [[user:Lakinekaki]]. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 21:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::People move. Or maybe you didn't know that. Statics IP (which i didn't even know it was static) is Chicago, currently I am in Serbia. Or maybe you expect me to bring RCN here. ? I am really sorry kids. Will not bring you up in comparisons any more. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 21:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
''you stir up hornets nests where ever you go''
they appear when people like you with lots of time come to my page to bother me with nonsense. please be kind and stop communicatating with me. don't post any more messages here. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 21:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
also, if you happen not to like some of my edits, simply ignore them, and let some of thousands of other editors to deal with them. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 21:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
== Socks and policies ==
It is not appropriate for socks of existing users to edit, propose, or signifciantly discuss changes to policies. Please use your regular account when doing so. <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]] [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]] </b> 03:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
: You may want to learn what is a [[WP:SOCK]]. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/212.200.243.116|212.200.243.116]] ([[User talk:212.200.243.116#top|talk]]) 03:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Will, just block the sucker and let's get on without his disruption. Using your IP or any IP when you have a username ID is attempting to avoid the scrutiny of other editors, which is a forbidden practice here. -- [[User:Fyslee|Fyslee]] ([[User talk:Fyslee|talk]]) 07:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)