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Per WP:BLP, we don't add information about trivial arrests without convictions to BLPs. Removing such tabloid newspaper style content is most certainly not vandalism. Vandalism has a very strict definition here and is a deliberate attempt to damage the encyclopedia. These were good faith edits not vandalism.You really want to add material about a fight between roommates about pizza to a BLP? Really? Make your case on the article's talk page, which I will be watching. Cullen328Let's discuss it03:43, 7 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
There's no perfect tag. Sorry if they sound harsh. But, WP does not allow an article to cite its own material. The cites have to come from a 3rd party source. The Emmy data is ref'd by cites to emmys.com. How about going to the Teahouse and getting a 2nd opinion? Cheers. Checkingfax (talk) 02:45, 14 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
I've just replied to Trivialist at the Teahouse, and I'd just like to point out that while it is not preferable, WP does actually allow an article to cite its primary source. Take a look over at my response in the Teahouse, where I've added links to the specific guidelines. Also, the Teahouse probably wasn't the right place to send Trivialist in the first place, the reliable sources noticeboard would've been much more appropriate. Thanks for your hard work on cleaning up articles, Jr8825 • Talk09:53, 14 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for your help with corsica account stub - appreciated - it links to so much else, its bit like a coriscan condundrum - clans, clandestine constitutional progressivism 100s of years before its time, and the usual suspects - thanks... sats08:13, 23 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
Hello Checkingfax. You recently moved a photograph of AHR from the Gallery to the article start. Thank you, that looks a lot better. I have been trying to work out how to do that !
The article I created has had a comment added in its heading that it is an Orphan, which it isn't as "Ernest Frank Richardson" is a link. The link seemed to have got lost at one stage.
Could you possibly delete that comment for me?
TimothyWF (talk) 16:05, 28 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
Hi, I saw one of your edits in my watchlist, placing/removing the linkrot template - I assume to access the embedded link to reflinks?
You might be interested in:
The WP:REFLINKS page itself, which lists a few methods of using the tool, that don't require adding/removing the template. From user-scripts, to browser-bookmarklets.
Likewise, this edit added the template before it was removed in the next edit... that template says the article uses bare URLs when it has full citations. Placing it there, even if promptly remove a minute later is a disingenuous statement about the status of an article. Imzadi 1979→22:53, 4 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
@Rezonansowy: My bad. I guess my text editor must not have been in utf8 mode. I'll be more careful in the future. On a related note, I almost never see people use either "Ƀ" or ฿. I'd argue we should remove those from the article or at least feature them in a less prominent place than the infobox. Cheers, Chris Arnesen17:24, 13 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
Your edit [1] had an odd edit summary in the part which is usually prefilled by MediaWiki when a section is edited. The section heading was [[LeSean McCoy]] but the edit summary instead contained <a href="/wiki/LeSean_McCoy" title="LeSean McCoy">LeSean McCoy</a>. This is the html code produced by [[LeSean McCoy]], but it shouldn't end up in the edit summary. Did you just click the "edit" link at the section and type "response" after the prefilled edit summary? Are you using any special editing tool? If you now click the edit link at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#LeSean McCoy then does the prefilled edit summary say /* LeSean McCoy */ (as it should), or the wrong /* <a href="/wiki/LeSean_McCoy" title="LeSean McCoy">LeSean McCoy</a> */, or something else? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:46, 24 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
I clicked on the button labeled: "<<Join this discussion" ... then I filled out my reply, put in the four tildes, and hit the: "Add my response" button. I did not use the Edit-source method of replying. There was no box for the edit-summary. Checkingfax (talk) 01:55, 24 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
Ah, I never use the "Join this discussion" link. I guess it goofs up when the section heading contains a wikilink. I will investigate further. Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 02:01, 24 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
You're welcome. I made some other edits too. I hope you find them to be satisfactory and helpful to your end of getting a Good-Article status. Checkingfax (talk) 02:39, 24 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
Good job reverting Grover's material out of the knockout game page!
That is exactly what one of your two revisions accomplished.
The other left in the stupid sentence in the last paragraph of the lead.
Even better job ignoring that the page is anything but informative or neutral.
Three thumbs up! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.225.252.201 (talk) 20:25, 31 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
There's probably fifteen churches in Moraga, several grocery stores, dozens of dry cleaners, etc. Do they all get an External Link? There's probably a less spammy way to do it. Checkingfax (talk) 04:38, 6 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
I notice that you directed me to the Wikipedia:Single-purpose_account page, which implies you think I may be in violation of Wikipedia:Advocacy or Wikipedia:COI. I read all three of those articles, and I'm here to assure you that instead I fall into the category of "well-intentioned editors with a niche interest". Is there something I did specifically to raise your suspicions? Is there something I can do to allay them? Cheers, Chris Arnesen21:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Hey, Chris, you're doing a lot of heavy lifting on the Bitcoin articles. Good on you. I just wanted to point out that Bitcoin is the only thing you're doing. LOL. Have you ever thought of signing up for Suggestbot? Take care. Checkingfax (talk) 05:41, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
It seems like you're in agreement with me now that removing the links in unnecessary. However, Dwayne Johnson isn't credited as 'Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson' in the Fast & Furious films: since his first appearance in Fast Five, he's only been credited as Dwayne Johnson. I can't revert any of your edits without violating the three revert rule, but would you be willing to undo your edit? Thank you Corvoe(speak to me)16:58, 9 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for your input. Can you give me more information on what you mean? What is a lead? Do you have any other suggestions? edit: gah! I'm messing up your page trying to post this. sooo sorry about that :-( Bali88 (talk) 05:25, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Hello, Bali88 and thanks for stopping by. See: WP:LEAD for an explanation of what the lead is. Also, go to any article and you'll see that all articles start out without a heading. They start with a "Lead". Cheers! Checkingfax (talk) 05:38, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! I think I figured it out. Do you know much about how they require the citations? I have all the information cited but I was worried that somehow I messed it up. For instance, If I get three paragraphs out of one news article, can I put the citation at the end of those paragraphs? Or do I need to put a citation following every single fact in those three paragraphs? Bali88 (talk) 05:49, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
You can do what's called citation grouping. You give the citation a group name and then you use that group name in subsequent instances of the citation. Then, the citation is shown as an a, b, c ... etc. instead of a 1, 2, 3 ... show me where you want to do that, and I'll try to show you how to do it. Checkingfax (talk) 05:57, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Oh gosh, I'm sure that would be a better way to do the citations! Do you think they will reject it the way it is? What I was asking about is if I pull 10 different facts from a single article and post all of those facts in a couple different paragraphs, if it's okay to just put the citation at the end of the paragraphs or if I need to cite each individual fact. I'm not sure how picky people are about that. Bali88 (talk) 06:51, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Hey, you had mentioned too many subheaders, is this a problem? I thought it made it more readable. Is this something they pick on when they review it for submission? Do you have any suggestions? Also, thanks for fixing all the little bugs on my page! Also, do you or anyone else think you can read through it and tell me if the article gives a clear picture of the case? I mean, it makes sense to me because I've been studying the case for awhile but I want it to be written so that someone without any knowledge of the case has a clear picture of what went on. Are there are any other helpful people that you know here on wikipedia who wouldn't mind reading it over? Bali88 (talk) 22:11, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for all your help with my article. I appreciate it so much. What do you think of the style of the article? I attempted to merge this information with the "David Camm" article and all my work was deleted citing "unencyclopedic style" without any advice as to how to make it work. It was more than a little bit disheartening. Any advice? Bali88 (talk) 22:31, 20 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for fixing the link I installed, which led to the NTSB release of the CVR transcript. That one really stumped me. Much appreciated. EditorASC (talk) 08:03, 31 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for your inquiry about my problem staying logged in to Wikipedia. I don't switch back and forth from PC to iPad. I use my iPad exclusively. Thanks again. StrudjumStrudjum (talk) 22:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)Reply
Hello. Thank you so much for using VisualEditor. Having editors use it is the best way for the Wikimedia Foundation to develop it into the best tool it can be.
While we always welcome general feedback (please report any issues in Bugzilla in the "VisualEditor" productor drop your feedback on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org), the developers are especially interested right now in feedback on the special character inserter. This new tool is used for inserting special characters (including symbols like ₥, IPA pronunciation symbols, mathematics symbols, and characters with diacritics). It is intended to help people whose computers do not have good character inserters. For example, many Mac users prefer to use the extensive "Special Characters…" tool present at the bottom of the Edit menu in all applications or to learn the keyboard shortcuts for characters like ñ and ü.
The current version of the special characters tool in VisualEditor is very simple and very basic. It will be getting a lot of work in the coming weeks and months. It does not contain very many character sets at this time. (The specific character sets can be customized at each Wikipedia, so that each project could have a local version with the characters it wants.) But the developers want your ideas at this early stage about ways that the overall concept could be improved. I would appreciate your input on this question, so please try out the character inserter and tell me what changes to the design would (or would not!) best work for you.
Issues you might consider:
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Should there be a "priority" or "favorites" section for the 10 or 12 characters that most editors need most often? Is it okay if you need an extra click to go beyond the limited priority set?
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How should the sections be navigated? Should there be a drop-down? A nested menu?
The wikitext editor has never included many symbols and characters, like ℗ and ♀. Do you find that you need these missing characters? If the character inserter in VisualEditor includes hundreds or thousands of special characters, will it be overwhelming? How will you find the character you want? What should be done for users without enough space to display more than a few dozen characters?
Should the character inserter be statically available until dismissed? Should it hover near the mouse? Should it go away on every selection or 10 seconds after a selection with no subsequent ones?
Some people believe that the toolbar already has too many options—how would you simplify it?
The developers are open to any thoughts on how the special character inserter can best be developed, even if this requires significant changes.
Please leave your views on the MediaWiki feedback page (your regular username/password works there), or, if you'd prefer, you can contact me directly on my talk page. It would be really helpful if you can tell me how frequently you need to use special characters in your typical editing and what languages are important to you.
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Hi and thanks for the berries. The last time I was doing this kind of thing, it would take hours to dig through journals, hand write the references, take them back and type them, and then you would find a missing comma or period, have to go back! It's so easy with the computer, the hard part is finding ones that Wikipedian's will accept... (there's a lot of poor quality ones out there). Anyway thanks for the encouragement... See you around the 'pedia.... --Cityside189 (talk) 01:32, 31 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
Cityside189, I remember the pre-Internet days of going to the library and poring through that green book that had lists of topics and the periodicals they were mentioned in and then having to go find the periodicals. Usually the library would only have a couple of choices in stock. Now with Google, fast typing, and knowing how to construct a Google search we could all be a "phone a friend" on Who Wants to be a Millionaire! I learn something new every day from the Internet and I especially benefit from the knowledge pool of Wikipedia. Cheers! Checkingfax (talk) 02:00, 31 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
TheRedPenOfDoom, You need to figure out a consensus method to incorporate your edits without tearing my alphabetizing edits down. Putting a list in alphabetical order is not improper and those edits should not be continually deleted by you. Checkingfax (talk) 04:16, 4 September 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hi Checkingfax, I was looking at the tip you gave me for ProveIt, and I like it. But is it supposed to fill in the fields automatically with other information embedded in the web reference (is that what you mean by meta-data)?
Cityside189, the URL is the complete URL with the http://. There are different kinds of Cites: Cite web, Cite book, Cite journal, etc. My recollection with Proveit is you populate the fields in Proveit by copy/paste (or by typing them in) from the metadata of the source into the respective Proveit fields. Then Proveit puts a properly dressed reference at your insertion point cursor. Checkingfax (talk) 21:01, 12 September 2015 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. When you use the term "metadata" do you mean the additional information that I can garner from that web source, (i.e, the author's printed name, the date of the article, etc.) or does metadata refer to some hidden/behind the scenes coding that is stored within the reference web page? --Cityside (let's talk! - contribs) 21:05, 12 September 2015 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, you can garner the the meta information by visually scanning your source for meta data such as date, author, work, title, etc., but tools like reFill garner it from meta tagged data. Checkingfax (talk) 21:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)Reply
Lots of "meatspace" stuff going on so I'm finding a bit less time in WP space... funny thing how users come and go, probably will be sporadic for a while... thanks for all your nice back and forth... --Cityside189 (let's talk! - contribs) 22:04, 25 September 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hello. I included the fact that Bruce underwent a gender transition in the Background section in the Keeping Up with the Kardashians instead of adding so many repetitive notes. Also, the reference that you keep adding into all these articles is incorrect. "Leibovitz, Annie (June 1, 2015). "Introduci.." Leibovitz did NOT write the article that the source is linked to, she just took the pictures. Buzz Bissinger wrote the article and his name should be used in the reference. Mymis (talk) 23:48, 30 September 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hello, in the future please just do multiple smaller edits, like everyone else. This use did not justify locking out other editors, even for only 12 minutes. The In use template is for major rewrites. Thank you. ―Mandruss☎07:21, 5 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Wikipedia does not have page locking. [...] On the other hand we do have {{in use}} tags, which can be used to alert people that you are in the process of making a larger edit. The article remains open to editing, but courteous users should leave it alone until you're done.
I understand. I didn't mean that anyone was locked out in a technical sense. But, since we are all "courteous users", we might as well have been locked out. Cheers back! ―Mandruss☎07:49, 5 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Mandruss, yes, the intent is to create a courtesy soft page lock to avoid edit conflicts. That {{in use}} template needs to be on the fly modifyable to reword it from "major edit" to simply "edit". Cheers! Checkingfax (talk) 08:01, 5 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Mandruss, In nearly 8,000 edits I have only used {{in use}} twice but after losing four edits in a row to the hyperedited UCCS article I envoked it with a reasonable cap. It's permissable to leave it up for a couple of days if you're that actively editing, but I don't go there.
The In usetemplate message is placed at the top of a page you are actively editing for a short period of time. The tag is intended to inform people that someone is currently working on the article, thereby reducing edit conflicts. Please do not leave it in place for more than the few hours at most that should be necessary, as doing so may unnecessarily discourage others from contributing to the article. If it has been up for more than two hours since the last edit, it should be removed. Specifying periods of several days or longer for this template goes against the spirit of simply avoiding edit conflicts; please only use it for sessions where you are actively editing the article.
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To use, just add {{In use|time=~~~~~}} at the top of the article you want to work on. If you want to reserve it for a specific length of time and optionally, a message, use {{In use|time (message)}}. Alternatively, if only one section of the page is being edited, you may place this template at the top of that section using {{In use|section}}. Please remember to remove the In use note as soon as you're finished editing.
Hi, just a quick heads up. No editor can order others not to revert an edit, so that just makes you look silly, not to mention combative. Cheers,―Mandruss☎01:20, 9 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
You're entitled to your opinions. You're also wrong. There is absolutely nothing "silly" about opening a discussion for the purpose of ending a slow-burn edit war. The argument, Why are you making such a big deal out of this? There wouldn't be a problem if you would just let me have my way! is not a legitimate argument at Wikipedia. But I'm done here and we'll just let this play out in article talk. ―Mandruss☎03:38, 9 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
I will give you this one last chance to retain a clean block log and avoid the "wall of shame" at arbitration sanctions. Please consider this a final warning: your deadnaming of Caitlin Jenner is inappropriate and if you do it again, anywhere, I will block you and this will be logged as an arbitration sanctions enforcement per the notice above. Guy (Help!) 10:23, 9 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Dear Guy, we need to discuss this. I never received a "first chance". I take WP:1RR very seriously.
However, we need to be able to say "then Bruce" or "formerly Bruce" when to not say it would be a confusing contradiction.
I have no intention of maliciously "deadnaming" Caitlyn. In fact, using "what links here" I was able to live name wikilink Caitlyn to her Caitlyn Jenner named article from dozens of other articles. I support Caitlyn, her new name, and gender.
All the Caitlyn Jenner pages are "deadnamed" (but only in context) and all the Bruce Jenner pages are live named and live-wikilinked (even if out of context). Caitlyn's article is "deadnamed" at least three times (in context), including in the lead.
My 2 reverts on Brandon & Leah were done in good-faith following the consensus of the other 15+ Caitlyn Jenner related pages, their related Talk pages, and in consensus with ongoing Village Pump thread conclusions per Drmies (as I understand them).
Check out all the Caitlyn Jenner and Bruce Jenner pages and you will find they are all live and dead named, but only minimally in context.
This is a moving target and hopefully a new MOSIDENTITY policy gels from the current consensus.
Drmies did close that discussion but is not very interested in applying its outcome, stick in hand. They have moved on to the next reality show, and don't even know what "deadnaming" means. (Please don't explain: I had to learn to other day that we live in a world where people can be "negging". One new word per year is enough.) Drmies (talk) 19:53, 9 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Drmies, today is my first experience with the term deadnaming or of being accused of doing it maliciously, so on the fly I have to try and put it in perspective but I cannot until I hear back from admin Guy. Cheers! Checkingfax (talk) 21:30, 9 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
If this had been someone with a history of blocks, I would have applied the hammer. It isn't: you were, however, pushing the name Bruce into articles - you need to be aware that this "deadnaming" is deeply offensive to many TG people and is very often (as in: usually) a marker for religiously motivated bigotry. I accept that this is not the case with you, but you see the sanctions warning above? That is relevant. So now you know: edit warring a trans person's prior name into articles is bad, and it is something normally done by the kind of people we show the door to. As I say, I accept this was innocent in your case, so happy editing, I am sure it won't happen again. Guy (Help!) 22:34, 9 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Guy, I did not push Caitlyn's former name in to the Brandon & Leah article. It had already been there for some time by consensus (but only as an aside).
I used to toe the hard line and exclude her dead name 100% but I was rebuked and reschooled by the consensus to include her dead name in context with maximum brevity, and was also schooled by the Drmies VPP RfC conclusion regarding deadname timelines. Checkingfax (talk) 22:54, 9 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Yup, messy. Your heart is in the right place, for sure. Sorry to have caused additional angst: the first article was a case for the live name, the second, is much more difficult. I think the answer is: check the talk page case by case, and give any edit war a wide berth. Thank you for being decent about this. I think the main problem is that Jenner competed in the Olympics, in which pretty much everything is gender-segregated, so the live name raises a "WTF?". Compare and contrast Wendy Carlos, for whom there are vanishingly few mentions of the dead name anywhere, and no confusion appears to have resulted at all. The key is always respect towards the subject. As far as I can see, you show that - I have struck the warning as an obvious false positive. Guy (Help!) 09:32, 11 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Feel free to contradict me, but discretionary sanctions do not appear to authorize penalties for deviating from Manual of Style recommendations. Deviations of style can certainly be part of a pattern of disruptive conduct, but it is the violation of conduct policy rather than the Manual of Style against which enforcement is authorized. Rhoark (talk) 21:06, 10 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hi, I noticed that you reverted a revert relating to pedicures. Please be aware that the article you may be reverting may be subject to Wikipedia's "1 revert" or WP:1RR policy, and I wouldn't want you to get in trouble for making an otherwise fair edit. -SocraticOath (talk) 15:05, 9 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hi SocraticOath, I know about 1RR. That is spelled out in the Edit screen.
A pedicure is fingernails. Pediatrics is health care for children.
Planned Parenthood does not offer pedicures for any of their clients. Some PP affiliates do offer pediatric care. My 1RR was to leave pediatrics intact.
What is the fair edit you speak of? Do you have a diff?
Hi Checkingfax, I have a slight feeling that you, I, and the article are kinda crossing wires here. Can you please re-read the section you edited and answer this question: according to Wikipedia right now, does PPFA offer pediatric care in California and New York? What about other locations? I'll remark now that I was the editor who added the words in the article regarding pediatrics before another editor removed them, after which you reverted the removal. -SocraticOath (talk) 20:06, 9 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Back to you GrammarFascist. Editor Discospinster's signature gave me the courage to update mine after five years (but then mine was too 'loud' so I unbolded the orange), then I saw editor Technical 13's signature and took it to the next level. I love functionality! There are some signatures where you have to view-source and copy/paste to reply-to or ping them properly. Some fancy sigs are not even legible with or without perfect eyesight and a magnifying glass. Now folks can just highlight my sig and copy and paste it and I'm pinged. Have you been back to visit the [[Michael Laucke]] article you helped on? Editor Natalie.Desautels is doing an impressive job with the heavy lifting there. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} { Talk }21:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
I hadn't been back to Michael Laucke, thanks for the reminder. It is surely coming along nicely! My own latest article is pathetic by comparison, ha ha. I noticed a minor formatting thing at Laucke's article and fixed it, but it seems Natalie.Desautels is really staying on top of shaping the article up. Excellent work, c'est si bon! Checkingfax, I'm glad you decided to be bold (albeit not bold) with your signature. Technical 13 did indeed have a well-designed signature; it's a shame they also abused multiple accounts and got themselves banned. See you around the Teahouse! —GrammarFascistcontribstalk21:40, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
@GrammarFascist:@Checkingfax:Thanks very much for the encouragement and fine compliments! I am working on what I hope will be a dynamite Lead; not easy, you know, to condense a 50 year career into a few paragraphs, but I have a grip on it ...especially after reading the great tip Wikipedia:How to create and manage a good lead section from Checkingfax (talk·contribs). The draft/test phase of this new lead is almost ready.
The Wikipedia experience has been very exciting for me on many levels, more than I expected. ...contributing one grain of sand to the sum of all human knowledge sort of thing : ) I didn't expect to put in so much time, but now that I'm all fired up, I am thinking of other contributions. I am also considering translating the Michael Laucke article into other languages. For me, this wouldn't really be a translation; it is more like rethinking each sentence and putting it into the "genius of the language" (génie de la langue), an expression we use often in French, less so in English I think. Of course it refers to how thought processes vary in different idioms although you strive to convey the exact same meaning. So I'm considering at least French and Spanish, possibly German. I am wondering if this is desirable, since after all, it would be somewhat the same article except perhaps French sources. Could I have your thoughts on this? I'm in discussion with Jules78120 . A bit surprised because it is a completely different talk page; ...makes sense when seen from a broader perspective. --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 23:31, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Natalie.Desautels, wow, Jules78120 gets two User pages with one username. The percs of being bilingual. He uses a soft-redirect because one is on .en. and one on .fr.?
Having Michael Laucke article multilingual sounds great to me if you've got the stones to manage it. I believe you can regurgitate English language links on to foreign-language articles, but native language ones are probably preferred.
If you scroll up you'll see I received two barnstars for being an Alpha-tester for WP:TWA. I'm not sure how Ocaasi (the lead developer) decided to select me. He listened to all our ideas and bug reports and acted on everything that was possible. Some bugs may have been unfixable. On the first round I think his team got 143 fixed.
You can thank editor BullRangifer for percolating over WP:CREATELEAD for a couple of years before he published it a couple of years ago. I have nominated it to be linked from the MOS:LEAD page if it isn't already.
CheckingfaxCongratulations, and then some, on the more than well deserved barnstars!
Indeed, Jules78120 does get two User pages with one username, but the .en and .fr Talk and User pages are comprised of entirely different content; as it should be on Wikipedia for languages I think.
For the French article I would simply translate the meaning of the English text, but would use references to French sources; I would also use some English references, as need be, and translate their quotes ...in theory at least.
I have taken the pleasure to thank BullRangifer for his immense contribution.
@Natalie.Desautels: Re: " 'genius of the language' (génie de la langue), an expression we use often in French, less so in English I think" : Maybe because it's a semi-Faux-ami, and is more often "the nature of..." or "the character of [the language]" in English. It's not always genius, it's sometimes genus because that's the kind of language it is, that makes you see it that way. As to "how thought processes vary in different idioms although you strive to convey the exact same meaning," perhaps you're referring to Sapir-Whorf? Whatever the case, it's clear to me that having insight into the world from the perspective of more than one language enriches one beyond measure. Vive le multilinguisme!. Mathglot (talk) 01:50, 2 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hello Mathglot En effet! Saviez-vous que si vous parlez plus d'une langue, vous avez une chance sur trois de moins pour attraper la maladie d'Alzheimer. Thank you for your very interesting comments, and especially that exciting link to Sapir-Whorf; I was not at all aware of their thoughts on Linguistic relativity. I found it fascinating. Thank you again for this nice surprise : ) Meilleurs voeux, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 08:03, 2 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
The Editor's Barnstar
With much appreciation for your meticulous editing, encouragement (I still remember the "Yee haw!") and great tips. You have been immensely helpful! Thank you for helping to make Wikipedia better. Natalie.Desautels (talk) 06:36, 18 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
With great appreciation for your tireless help and fantastic time-saving tips, your generous sharing of Wikipedia implementation methods and, well, just the right advice offered with such civility at just the right time, it would seem. You have saved me so much time; time which I put to good use in making a better article/contribution, to be sure. Un gros Merci! Natalie from Paris Natalie.Desautels (talk) 23:38, 20 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Mymis, I disagree. The projects will populate and be ready for our reader's convenience. Adding a wikimedia template takes less time than adding a commons template, is more powerful, and future-proof. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:59, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
"Future-proof"? Lots of people/terms may never appear on any these pages. Adding broken/non-existing links just confuses the readers. Mymis (talk) 01:09, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Mymis, the {{wikimedia}} template does not generate any broken links; only potential for growth. Editors are adding video, audio, wikibooks to their articles everyday, and news articles are always in the wings, etc. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
The fact remains that it does confuse readers because the template links the articles to pages that have no information in them. Mymis (talk) 01:16, 23 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Mymis, first of all, the article you cited had several wikimedia results. Secondly, any blank pages contain an invitation and instructions on how to populate them. That's how Wikipedia works. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:23, 23 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Please don't troll other editor' talk pages with inappropriate "last warning" templates, especially when you are on the opposite side of the discussion I am taking part in the article talk page. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:16, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Staszek Lem, communicating with you on your talk page in neutral language with a standard template is not trolling. You're experienced enough to not need L1, L2, L3 notices. What is your dog in this fight? What are you warning me about? How do you know I'm "on the opposite side of this fight?" My edits have been neutral, unlike yours. I am also on the [[Talk page]] discussing this -- I was there before you. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:43, 23 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
How is that my edits are not neutral? Communicating with established fellow editors by standard templates with threatening text is trolling. Staszek Lem (talk) 00:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
The Gnome. Thank you. We can't type curly braces or pipes in to our custom signatures or it makes the servers go crazy so we have to use control characters instead, which are clumsy. I appreciate your coming here, restoring your edit, and not making a big deal out of it. I went back to restore your comment and my sig, but you had already taken care of it. Thanks for that too. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:32, 23 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Please only use the appropriate Wikimedia property link that has actual content. In Sir and Star, only commons had material, thus one should only have used {{commons}} or other appropriate commons template. In this case {{commons category|Olema, California}} should have been the one. Olema is too broad of a search, so the category link would probably be best.
You put a photo between the ToC and first heading. The TOC must come right before the heading as any material between the ToC and first heading will not be read by those with screen readers. As the earthquake photo didn't have anything to do with the article, I removed it.
You put too many portal links. If one is needed, I generally put only one geographic portal, usually the one closest to to the article. In this case, that would be San Francisco. When there is no See also section, then it goes into the External links section. I removed them all, but add back the ones you think are necessary. Bgwhite (talk) 04:11, 29 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
The name of the museum is "Van Gogh Museum" with a capital V. Dutch last names starting with "van" are always capitalized when used without the first name. So it is "Vincent van Gogh", "Van Gogh", and "Van Gogh Museum". See also Dutch name and Tussenvoegsel. – Editør (talk) 11:09, 29 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hey fax-checker, it was great to meet you at that open-access panel last night! See you around, and if you're in San Francisco and you'd like to have coffee or something feel free to hit me up. II | (t - c) 05:41, 30 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
ImperfectlyInformed, It was great meeting the Royal y'all too. You call the time and place and I'll be there! My calendar is very flexible. PS: I do better in quiet places. I have a hard time focusing when it's as noisy as John Collin's bar was last night. LOL. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:56, 30 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Please take a look at Allegras talk page, some criticism has arosed. I don't agree with it, as for example you have done additional great edits that would not have been done otherwise. And to remove possible already approved articles unless they are redirects seems wrong.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
After some of yours and other users edits a Fansite template has been added to the Allegra Versace article. Me and another user do not agree with it, and has raised the issue at the talk page. But take a look if you find time for it. Thanks again.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:19, 6 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
BabbaQ, Thank you for the heads up. I did what I could with the [[Allegra Versace]] article. As notable as she is there is not a lot of encyclopedia type material on her. A lot of her family stuff is already covered in the [[Gianni Versace]] and [[Santo Versace]] articles. It would be nice to get a picture of her. I posted my thoughts about drive-by tagging over on the Talk page. Fight the good fight. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Safehaven86, Hip, hip, hooray, indeed! The article seems very stable now even though it is a controversial topic, and with your help it got closer to being rock solid. I nominated it for "Good Article". Did you notice? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:06, 8 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hi Checkingfax. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:
Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! Beeblebrox (talk) 18:44, 10 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
…at Brighton Beach. See this Talk entry, and the Talk entry on the BB talk page that it cites: [2]. Hours of time were spent checking sources and dealing with plagiarism in the article. Please do not support massive reversions that undo hard editorial work. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 18:06, 12 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Doc James, the two URL question is a great question for the developer of Checklinks: Dispenser as that is the way Checklinks fixes the dead URLs sometimes. Sometimes Checklinks incorporates the live URL and replaces the dead URL, while other times Checklinks appends the live URL to the dead URL. Not sure on its heuristics but it does not break anything. Maybe Checklinks appends when the link is not confirmed 100% dead? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:00, 16 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Doc James, according to the WP dead link guidelines it is more helpful than tagging them with {{dead link|date=November 2015}}. We are supposed to try to fix dead links and not delete them for two years because it takes up to 18 months for dead links to be replaced by archived versions. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}04:33, 16 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hello TWL users! We hope JSTOR has been a useful resource for your work. We're organizing a cleanup drive to correct dead links to JSTOR articles – these require JSTOR access and cannot easily be corrected by bot. We'd love for you to jump in and help out!
I do not understand why the Michael Ealy edit was reverted. HE shared this information. If minor info is not supposed to be included why is it all throughout wikipedia? It ons so many articles from Meryl StreepMadonnaKendra Wilkinson The Kartrashians. Information like not just name and dob of birth, but place, time, length, whether it was breech or in the caul or natural. THAT information is too much. Stating the child's name and birthdate is not. Thank You. 173.66.63.102 (talk) 00:30, 21 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
As a current or past contributor to a related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject Virginia Tech, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Virginia Tech. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks!
Hello Checkingfax -- On Oct 2/2015 you made a series of edits to the Linda Rondstadt article. I'm probably missing something, but one of your edits really puzzles me:
In this edit, you added a footnote to the final sentence of the lead section of the article. Your new footnote contains nothing but references to other, existing footnotes. Your footnote appears to be intended to support that final sentence of the lead section: "On July 28, 2014, she was awarded one of the twelve 2013 National Medals of Arts and Humanities." But when I click on each of the other footnotes to which your footnote refers, I find no support for that final sentence. In fact many of the notes to which it refers are for news items published long before July 28, 2014.
(I was looking at your footnote because an anon recently edited the article and changed that final sentence of the lead section. The anon's edit was flagged as pending, and I wanted to ascertain whether his edit was justified.)
WikiPedant. You are not missing anything. I used the {{refn}} template to bundle many refs in to one to unclutter things. The refs are at the end of the lead intending to support the whole lead not just the final sentence. Personally, IMHO, if a lead is well written there is no need for any references in the lead. There is nothing in the lead of the Ronstadt article that should be contentious enough to require a redundant reference since all lead items are supposed to be mentioned and referenced in the article body already. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:24, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
OK, Checkingfax, I get it now. There is indeed a banner at the top of the Linda Ronstadt page, flagging that lead section as too long. I tend to follow the usual practices with academic footnotes, and one would not create an academic footnote like this, unless, I suppose, an explanation was included in the note to the effect that its references were in support of several preceding paragraphs. Thanks for clearing things up for me. Respectfully -- WikiPedant (talk) 23:36, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
WikiPedant. I wish there was a neat template for bundling refs but I use refn as a workaround until one comes along. I know, it's a misuse technically. That's a good idea to include a note that refn is being used for ref bundling purposes. If the bundled refs are not in templates it is a lot prettier but most editors use citation templates from what I have seen. Thank you for your sense of duty. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
I was following Wikipedia's rules, or at least the rules as i read them last Friday.
On that day i noticed that Wikipedia editors and crawlers had been editing my references. In doing so, they changed dates to YYYY-MM-DD format.
This weekend i took time to read the Wikipedia citation pages and fix all of my references in line with Wikipedia guidelines.
When i checked that link it said 'Although nearly any consistent style may be used [...] The YYYY-MM-DD format should [...] be limited to Gregorian calendar dates where the year is after 1582.'
Long story short: Wikipedia doesn't care what the date format is as long as it is consistent.
I edited ALL references - although they are all different than some of them had been before, they are now all consistent.
Before today, the date format on references had never been consistent as long as i have been on Wikipedia, as you can see here.
Having said that, I can use mdy format if it is necessary to revert the dates. It may take some time to make the changes (about a day to fix everything), so be patient.
Ps. I fixed all disambiguation links; Wikipedia's internal links on the page should link fine now.
DionWright, The Kendall Jenner page at the top says to use mdy dates, so that is what we are supposed to follow. The MoS says [...] avoid all-numeric date formats other than YYYY-MM-DD [...]. It does not say to use YYYY-MM-DD and in fact says that other formats are preferred. This leaves dmy, and mdy but with alpha included with numeric. If the preponderance of dates existing in an article are ymd then the Bots will change things to ymd. ymd numeric is the only numeric date format allowed.
PS: We're not supposed to change citation styles if it goes against the "norm" for the article. The norm is already set and that is what we have to go by when we add or correct references. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}03:31, 26 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Dear Sciencewatcher, As "Pending Changes Reviewers" we are tasked with rejecting vandalism. I went above and beyond, accepted the non-vandalism, and then took it upon myself to apply an [according to whom?] tag.
We are charged with being scrupulous in our denials of pending edits. We are not there to judge content.
We are also charged with providing Edit Summaries for each review we elect to deny.
Ok, thanks for the explanation, that's reasonable. PS, the edit summary box was filled in automatically, as I created a new talk page section. I wouldn't have said anything different if I had entered it manually. (If that's not what you meant, let me know). --sciencewatcher (talk) 01:52, 27 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Dear Natalie.Desautels, I found a flamenco page that would be easy for you to polish up here. The user worked on it for one day and made 7 edits. Looks like the user's whole editing career was over in a very short period. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}08:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hi Natalie.Desautels. I wrote this thread back when your Talk page was not taking new entries because your Talk page lacked a closing nowiki tag in a reply. Did you ever see this thread? You/we could edit the page in that Sandbox then we could Move it to Article namespace when it is a tad more robust. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:35, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
I didn't notice the date ...what a coincidence . I see you did some very nice work on the article, and I sent you some thanks. Hope to contribute to it a bit later, as well. very best wishes, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 18:23, 10 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi,Natalie.Desautels. Since the main namespace article is the shortest I think we should cut and paste sections of the user namespace article in to the main namespace article leaving the user namespace article blanked. We will need to put careful attribution in the edit summary and maybe afterwards do a dummy edit that include the cut Diff in the edit summary. Too bad Blofeld poached the main namespace or we could just do a simple Move. Then we can edit the main namespace article to clean it up. We can put up an {{in use}} template during this process to try and avoid the dreaded edit conflict. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}12:13, 14 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
PS: You can always create sub-folders, which is what User Meridian108 did by putting a forward slash after your username. It is pretty much unlimited. Some users have thousands of subpages to keep everything organized. In this case the user created a subpage for for the article. You don't always have to work in your sandbox, and creating a subpage might give you some protection from prying eyes as they would have to go looking for subpages. If you click on the page information link on the left side of a page you can always follow the bread crumb path to a directory of its subpages. Cheers! 12:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello. After seeing this edit, I'm wondering if you are familiar with the use of Dabfix. The tool is merely giving suggestions about what could be fixed or added on a dab page, you're not supposed to blindly throw everything it spits out into the disambiguation page. --Midas02 (talk) 03:10, 2 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Midas02, the Rover DAB page had 5 MoS issues when I landed on it. When I left it had one MoS issue (the redlinks). Rover is a very ubiquitous word/term. I left it with a cleanup tag but I have now removed it as there are no more MoS issues. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:28, 2 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Checkingfax, I just had a quick look at the page before you had a go at it, and, at first glance, I couldn't detect any issues. Again, it's not because Dabfix tells you there are issues, that they really are. It's just a dumb tool, with a ruleset that hasn't been updated in a while!
I've just reverted some of your changes. Alphasorting is not a requirement, since not all entries are necessarily of equal value. As was the case for the motorcars. Partial matches should normally not be added as well, which was the case for the engines. Removed and fixed some further issues as well. --Midas02 (talk) 03:06, 5 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hi, and thanks for working on some of our disambiguation pages. Could you explain the creation of new sections like "People" and "Names" to DAB pages that already have sections for surname and given name? I could maybe understand it if the entries under them were pseudonyms or something (although I would probably name the section differently), but instead you've put more people that simply have the subject as their given or surname. I don't understand the reasoning here. -- Fyrael (talk) 20:09, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Checkingfax, despite my earlier remarks about your reckless use of Dabfix, you have continued to use it as a fire and forget tool, for which it is not intended. I advise you to have a proper read of WP:MOSDAB to understand how the MOSDAB guidelines really work, and do this before you continue to use this tool.
As of now I will revert ALL of your changes using Dabfix, since none of them have been respecting the guidelines. Feel free to get back to me when you feel you have got a better understanding of the guidelines. --Midas02 (talk) 03:10, 5 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
W.carter, Thank you for the Tea and the kind words. I have started putting my shoulder to the wheel in the Wikipedia Tip of the day department and I am learning a lot. I have flitted about the Teahouse since its inception. See you around. PS: We have about 20 duplicate tips out of 366 so if you have any tips to share bring them to the Talk page over there for publication. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}19:16, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
The script that you mention, User:Ais523/stubtagtab.js, is one I haven't looked at in years (and I'd mostly forgotten it existed until you linked it). Most people use the script I originally created at User:Ais523/stubtagtab2.js instead (which was adopted and maintained by another user, at User:MC10/stubtagtab.js; it seems that my version was updated via {{edit protected}}, I didn't update it myself). It looks like nobody's done the same for the "original" script.
I'm not really active at Wikipedia at the moment, and am not really up-to-date enough on scripting knowledge to fix it. I'd have no objection to someone else updating the script and using {{edit protected}} to replace it (or, if they were an admin, just putting in a script redirect; script redirects to non-admin namespaces are a security issue). Otherwise, I'll probably have a look at it next time I become active at Wikipedia, but that might not be for months or years (I tend to become active in bursts). --ais523 02:43, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Checkingfax -- I saw your recent edit to Person of the Year: [4] I re-read MOS:CAPFRAG (I had read it many times before this), and I interpret it differently from the way you seem to have. To me, this caption is a sentence fragment. Therefore, it should not end in a period/full stop. It would only end in a period/full stop if there were a complete sentence before it that ended in a period/full stop and, since there isn't, there should be no period/full stop there. Corinne (talk) 17:07, 28 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Happy New Year to you, Checkingfax! I hope 2016 will be a great year for you. I want to thank you so much for your generous, kind and gracious help in answering my questions and helping me solve editing problems. I really appreciate it. You make Wikipedia a great place in which to volunteer. Thank you.
Hi Corinne. I still enjoy looking at this picture. I love fireworks. I hope you have a great year too, and that you keep enjoying your efforts on Wikipedia. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}15:55, 17 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! Pink fireworks are kind of unusual, I think. Happy St.Patrick's Day! Here are some green fireworks that I found on the article on the color green.
Green fireworks
I couldn't believe there was a whole article on the color green. There are a lot of nice images in that article. I hope you find a...
Hi, Samtar. We used to put a # next to each line item for submitted Diffs. Is that still needed? Otherwise ... it is sweet! Thank you for the effort.
Maybe you can help me. I updated the doc for Template:Ping group as it used to be called Template:Pinggroup. However, I did not know how to update the JavaScript documentation for tweaking the output of Ping group. Can you have a look-see? Thanks. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
I have some time now Checkingfax - which part of the documentation is it that needed a look-see? I'm guessing It is also possible to manipulate the output using your common.css or common.js to turn on or off [...]? -- samtarwhisper18:58, 7 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Samtar. Yes, this section of the doc, and does the underlying JavaScript need to be updated too?
If you want to always see the names attached to the ping on the page, add the following code to your common.css:
span.pinggroup-pinged{
display: inline !important;
}
It is also possible to manipulate the output using your common.css or common.js to turn on or off the elements that are shown or not shown by default. The "shown by default" stuff is wrapped in a span.pinggroup-shown and the "hidden by default" stuff is all wrapped in a span.pinggroup-pinged and you may use these classes as you see fit.
Hi hi, sorry for the delay! I'll have a proper look at the ping group, but it seems not much of the docs will need changing. As for the script, yeah I'll add a check which compares your URL to every other pasted URL cheers! -- samtarwhisper14:33, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, BabbaQ. That one has me stumped. The two main tools I use (WP:reFill and WP:Checklinks) do not show it as being a dead link but if I follow the link it looks useless as a citation. I do not know Swedish. Who tagged it as being dead and how did they arrive at that conclusion? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}04:09, 8 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hello, Checkingfax -- I have just finished copy-editing St. Paul's Cathedral, Kolkata. I saw a red link at William Nairn Forbes, and I thought I would try to see if there were an article to which I could link it. (Sometimes I have found that there is an article, but there just needs to be a minor change in the way the name is written in order for the link to turn blue.) I found a whole lot of Forbes at Forbes (name) and the Forbes baronet page. I'm wondering if you feel like looking to see if one of those is the Forbes mentioned in the article. Also, if you feel like going through the article to see if there is anything I missed, that would be nice also. There is one thing I've got to ask the requester, though. It's the fact that Sir Edward Burne-Jones is mentioned twice in one paragraph, and I can't figure out if the "West Window" is in a separate area of the cathedral from the tower, whose windows and their design by Burne-Jones are mentioned about two sentences later. If they are separate, then should the link to the Burne-Jones article, and the phrase "the pre-Raphaelite master", be with the first mention or leave it at the second? (When I found this, there was only "Burne-Jones" at the first mention; I added "Sir Edward" to it, then stopped working on it when I realized there was a problem.) So that's the only thing left unresolved. Corinne (talk) 01:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC) Actually, I realize that there are two things that need to be resolved. I've left a comment at User talk:Nvvchar#St. Paul's Cathedral, Kolkata. Corinne (talk) 01:20, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. I failed on the redlinked name but I did a lot of technical microedits on St. Paul's Cathedral, Kolkata. However, I hit an edit conflict so I had to merge my changes with yours. Can you have a look-see and make sure I did not break your edits with the merge? I did fix at least one other redlink by creating redirects. Cheers! PS: When I have trouble finding an article
a mental note of the names I had trouble with and then when I figure out the correct article name I create redirects from the alternative article names to the "correct" article name. Do you ever do that? {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}04:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for working on the article. No, I've never done that. I think by the time I found the article with the right name, I'd probably have forgotten where I'd seen the red link. Besides, I don't even know how to create a redirect. Also, why would you create a redirect instead of going back and correcting the spelling of the name? I'll take a look at the article to see if any of my edits were somehow not made, but I looked at the article late yesterday and didn't see anything amiss. Corinne (talk) 14:40, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Wow, you worked late last night! Or perhaps it wasn't night where you live. But anyway, I see you did quite a bit of re-arranging. I didn't notice any of my earlier edits missing. I think you're better than I am at seeing the big picture. I find it a little difficult to see the overall organization without seeing the entire article in front of me; I ought to look at the article in the regular form (I don't know what that's called) – I usually read most of the article in edit mode – during and after I finish copy-editing; then maybe I would see the overall organization better. There is a bit of a problem that needs fixing in the second paragraph in the "History" section. I don't know if I did that or not, but there is a sentence that appears twice. I don't know where the best place for the sentence is. Do you want to fix that? Corinne (talk) 14:56, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. The History paragraph is the one I botched up.
Old:
In 1819, at the request of Marquess of Hastings, then Governor-General of Bengal, William Nairn Forbes produced a design for the proposed cathedral; however, it was not accepted as it was deemed too expensive to build.[1] In 1819 Bishop Middleton suggested as a site for the new cathedral the part of the city now known as "Fives Court", where the cathedral now stands, but he died in 1822 before building plans took shape. In 1762 the area had been described as a forest so wild that it harbored tigers, and, at first, it was regarded as "too far south" to serve as a location for the cathedral.[2] The next three bishops, Heber, James and Turner, all died after brief tenures, and it was not until 1832, under Bishop Daniel Wilson, that the project to build the cathedral was revived.[2]
New: Trying to merge your changes with mine after the edit-conflict:
In 1819, at the request of Marquess of Hastings, then Governor-General of Bengal, architect William Nairn Forbes produced a design for the proposed cathedral; however, it was not accepted as it was deemed too expensive to build.[1]Bishop Middleton suggested as a site for the new cathedral the part of the city now known as "Fives Court", where the cathedral now stands. In 1762 the area had been described as a forest so wild that it harbored tigers, and, at first, it was regarded as "too far south" to serve as a location for the cathedral.[2] In 1819 Bishop Middleton suggested as a site for the new cathedral the part of the city now known as "Fives Court", where the cathedral now stands, but he he died in 1822 before building plans took shape. The next three bishops, Heber, James and Turner, all died after brief tenures, and it was not until 1832, under Bishop Daniel Wilson, that the project to build the cathedral was revived.[2]
As you can see I did a bad job of merging the edit conflict versions. I will need a lot of coffee to wrap my head around remelding it properly. Please jump in first.
I think the job of cutting what is not needed and putting sentences in the right order will not be so difficult, but upon re-reading the first paragraph (which is the less wordy one), I realize that there is a problem with one of the sentences. If we write that sentence correctly, we can then take care of the other things. Here is the sentence that I think needs some attention:
In 1762 the area had been described as a forest so wild that it harbored tigers, and, at first, it was regarded as "too far south" to serve as a location for the cathedral.
Here are the problems I see:
(a) "In 1762" is following a sentence that starts "In 1819" (in the first version, at least), so is going in reverse chronological order, jumping back fifty-seven years.
(b) The time phrase "at first" refers to 1819, and within the same sentence inexplicably jumps forward fifty-seven years from 1762, so "at first" (which really refers to reaction to Bishop Middleton's suggestion in 1819) doesn't really make much sense in this sentence.
(c) There is not a strong connection between the location of "Fives Court" being too far south and being "a forest so wild it harbored tigers". The information about it having been a forest so wild it harbored tigers in the 18th century is just a bit of interesting information, but I don't think that in 1819 it was the reason for the initial rejection of the location, so, if that information about the forest and tigers is to be included, the sentence has to be worded carefully. I wonder whether the information is important enough, or sufficiently germane, to be included in this paragraph, but anyway, I'll try a revision:
In 1819, at the request of Marquess of Hastings, then Governor-General of Bengal, architect William Nairn Forbes produced a design for the proposed cathedral; however, it was not accepted as it was deemed too expensive to build.[1] That same year, Bishop Middleton suggested as a building site for the new cathedral the part of the city now known as "Fives Court", where the cathedral now stands. Described in 1762 as a forest so wild that it harbored tigers, in 1819 the area was initially regarded as "too far south" to serve as the location for the cathedral.[2] Bishop Middleton died in 1822 before building plans took shape. The next three bishops, Heber, James and Turner, all died after brief tenures, and it was not until 1832, under Bishop Daniel Wilson, that the project to build the cathedral was revived.[2]
^ abcCite error: The named reference Victorian was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ abcdef"St. Pauls Cathedral". The Diocese of Calcutta, CNI. Retrieved 23 August 2015. Cite error: The named reference "Dio" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
As for redirects, let's say 1934 Nepal–Bihar earthquake was redlinked but I found a live page at 1934 Nepal−Bihar earthquake. For future convenience I would create a redirect from the one with the endash to the one with the minus-sign and then both articles names would be live. Later, if I found out that the earthquake is also known as 1934 Bihar–Nepal earthquake (with endash) I would create a redirect for that and also for Bihar−Nepal earthquake (with minus-sign). To round things off I would create redirects for Nepal Bihar earthquake and Bihar Nepal earthquake too. Creating a redirect page takes about one minute. The format is easy and consistent: Start with a blank page; add one line of wikicode; save it. When people are typing in page names they don't always know which diacritics or punctuation to use and creating redirects makes it easier for typists and also can ease searches.
Most of the redirect pages I create are for intuitive or misspelled attempts that I make to find a page then I create redirects to the page as found. Sometimes people have alternative names like Eric Satie was born that way but later switched to Erik Satie so a redirect page is helpful so his page can be found both ways and both spellings are proper. Sometimes I create short article names to redirect to very long article names. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:24, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
P.S. Why did you change an en-dash to the en-dash template in a date range? I don't think it's going to break since there are no spaces either side of the en-dash. Corinne (talk) 04:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear Corinne. I change raw endash and raw emdash to templates when I can because I like to be able to tell at a glance which one they are. In the raw they hard to differentiate especially on small screens. I do not change them within references, images, wikilinks, or within the left side of the pipe in piped wikilinks, as I fear breaking the file path of those particular instances of endash or emdash. Also, in citation templates adding nested templates can break the hCard ability of the citation template. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:40, 10 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Seriously this has got to stop. There is zero reason to remove the * next to the teams. There is absolutely zero consensus for your edit.--Yankees1020:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear Yankees10. OK, I have removed the {{plainlist}} template because it removes the bullet points from the rendered text. You had me confused because you kept saying I was removing asterisks which I was not, and you were distracting me with your wikilawyering. OK. That is settled now. The bullet points are back to match the infobox section below it. Peace and cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:27, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Well great, instead of just admitting you were wrong and moving on, you decided to insult me with this wikilawyering nonsense. Thank you, very classy gesture.--Yankees1005:32, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear Yankees10. You were not clear in what your issue was with my edit. You said I was removing asterisks but I was not. You mentioned that I was violating consensus but I did not. This was distracting stuff. Once I understood you really meant bullet points not asterisks I manned up, fixed it, and explained my confusion in understanding your issue with my edit. I am sorry this was not satisfactory to you. Now we can move on. PS: Go Yankees! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}06:17, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear John from Idegon. As Pending-Changes-Reviewers we are tasked with enforcing a barrier to vandalism. Period. The good faith edit was not vandalism. Why is that page protected anyway? Under normal circumstances it would be freely editable and subject to standard BRD protocols. AGF. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}04:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Adding entirely unreferenced BLP to an article is close enough to vandalism. And do not presume to lump me in with you with your vainglorious royal we. It was a bad pass, period. Try listening once in a while. The article is protected because of the addition of name cruft. Name cruft--just like YOU approved with your pending change privilege. With privilege comes responsibilities. You should have found the answer to your rhetorical question above prior to exercising your privilege. John from Idegon (talk) 06:32, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear John from Idegon. I take no umbrage at your revert of my approval, just as you should take no umbrage at my approval. That is by design. Pending-Changes-Reviewers are a group of 8,002 editors on the English Wikipedia who make snap decisions on whether a new revision is broadly acceptable for public view. Period. There is no royal we. Just a huge number of us. The article has been protected for over a year. That is a bit over the top. I doubt if the page is currently threatened by high levels of vandalism. You really need to chill. PS: Articles are never page protected for name cruft. That is not a valid page protection request. PSS: Did you research the BLP entry for notability before blanking it? Undoing an edit is a bigger moral responsibility than approving one. The normal response is to look for citations, and then tag it with a maintenance tag if no citations are found. This gives the editor and others time to find citations. I notice most of your edits on Wikipedia are reverts and snarky scoldings in the edit summary rather than helpful repairs. The encyclopedia needs to be built up, not torn down as you seem to be doing. Here is a template of templates you can put on your user page to keep a list of inline templates handy: {{Inline tags}} Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
I appreciate your edits to the article and its Wikidata page, however I reverted a few of your reformatting edits. I prefer fewer spaces, both between paragraphs and images and in the ref tags. I keep it consistently like that in every article I write, so please don't change it on me.
As well, I'm not sure where in the MOS you've read that images shouldn't be on the left at the start of a section. Now there are far too many images on the right side, which means the images are being pushed down into sections where they're no longer relevant (eg the library photo in the stable section or the pool house photo in the riding ring section). Also, MOS:IMAGELOCATION doesn't mention what you did, but it does suggest left and right staggering, which is now almost not present in the article. ɱ(talk · vbm · coi)22:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
None of the spacing additions are rendering but they assist other editors that have accessibility issues when editing in a text editor window. Your deletion of them is merely self-gratifying. No more, no less.
Adding a space before the closing slash in a self closing HTML tag is SOP.
Many of the sections are too short to support a left justified image. It is considered a better MoS to not start a section with a left justified image ... but the one paragraph sections do not support that MoS. This is also common sense. Common sense trumps any MoS every time.
As you and others expand the article the images will smooth in better and then it will be easier to do some staggering to the left side without riding the images up on the section heading.
The extra non-rendering spacing I inserted is appreciated by a cadre of special needs editors that I roll with. Reverting it is only self-gratifying.
PS: Your username is cute but a disservice because you can only be pinged by copy/paste or by using alt characters, etc. I will give you props that it is at least a legible signature. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}04:55, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
I never once stated that it's my article! Sure I researched and wrote everything, and took all the photos (or scanned and uploaded them), but I never once claimed ownership. I'm telling you not to change those formatting details because when it comes to the MOS, the Arbitration Committee has ruled that editors should not change an article from one guideline-defined style to another without a substantial reason unrelated to mere choice of style, and to defer to the style used by the first major contributor. And the spaces do nothing for accessibility or anything, I don't know what you're talking about. As for my username, it's allowed when creating accounts. Sorry your keyboard doesn't have that character, that's your problem. Reprogram your keyboard or complain to software developers that the character shouldn't be allowed as a username, what can I say. Plus, what's wrong with copying and pasting? I do it all the time, even on mobile devices... ɱ(talk · vbm · coi)05:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
I keep it consistently like that in every article I write, so please don't change it on me.
That sounded like article ownership to me.
AFAIK, the Arb has never chimed in on MoS about visuals on an article. MoS is a guideline subject to common sense. MoS is not a policy.
MoS does suggest sticking to datestyle, citation style, and British vs. English spelling when it comes to which style came first. This is for consistency but can be overwritten by consensus. However, I made no such changes anyway.
My comment about your username is a friendly heads up. It is cute, but that is all it is. I am not sure what the net sum gain is. The downsized version of your username does not copy/paste to be functional for a ping.
I don't know or care whether your problem is inability to use the automation you are using or just plain incompetency, but how do you figure adding blank templates improves an article. I am beginning to understand why you seem to be constantly appearing at ANI. Some unsolicited advice. Put the gadgets away and learn what you are doing. John from Idegon (talk) 23:15, 10 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear John from Idegon. I have a speck in my eye when you have a log.
{{official website}}, {{authority control}}, and {{wikimedia|collapsible=true|wikt=no|d=Q123456}} are hardly empty templates. They are populated from instances in items at Wikidata. Take the pebble from my hand, Grasshopper.
Checkingfax, I need your help with another article. I'm just about finished copy-editing Malliswari (1951 film). I have two or three concerns I'll be raising in a minute to the requester. But I want to ask you about something else. In the last section of the article, Malliswari (1951 film)#In popular culture, I changed a pull quote to a block quote per guidelines at MoS. However, I see that the reference is visible at the end of the quote, and I know it shouldn't, but I don't know how to fix it. Also, I thought it was frowned upon to start a section with a quote. Can you figure out a better place to put it so that it fits in smoothly with the rest of the material in that section? Corinne (talk) 00:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
P.S. Why did you change "c.nbsp&" + year to a "circa" template? The MoS, in the abbreviations section, does not recommend that or even italics. If the template produces a little "c" with what looks like a dotted underline, I think that looks awful. I prefer the simple "c." Corinne (talk) 00:10, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. The {{circa}}{{nbsp}}1917 nomenclature puts a tooltip under the c.
Hover your mouse pointer precisely on the → c. ← dots and you will see a question mark with an explanation of what c. means.
Actually, a more efficient use of the circa template is: {{circa|1917}} as it automatically formats the non-breaking space like this: c. 1917
I will fix that reference in the quote.
Yes, I agree it is odd to start off a section with a quote, especially if it is an unattributed one.
I like it when blockquotes end with an attribution rather than starting with one. With the {{quote}} template you can add the attribution at the end after a pipe and it will insert a line break and an indented attribution with an emdash (actually a quote-dash) and a hair-space or thin-space. So, you can do {{quote|Attribution}} and it will format the quote and attribution nicely.
Good call on removing the pull quotes. They are allowed in the encyclopedia if the quote is a repetition to highlight a portion of text in the body of the article. Shaded backgrounds are deprecated too.
Click on this template link and it will provide a nickel tour on pull quotes: {{cquote}}
When converting box quotes to blockquotes it can be hard to find a place to smooth them back in.
I will check up on your remaining questions. PS: There is an {{abbr}} template that allows you to make a tooltip for any abbreviation and you can even create a wikilink to a page about the abbreviated word using this template variation: {{abbrlink}}. So, you could do {{abbrlink|≈|approximate}}1000 people, and it would look like this: ≈Tooltip approximate1000 people. Hovering on the ≈ would tell you what it means, then clicking on it would take you to the wikipedia article about its meaning. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}04:22, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. Good news. I fixed the blockquote by using a {{quote}} template to replace the HTML <blockquote> tags. You can see the way I did it [here].
Or, here it is:
{{quote|When people talk of good movies, of clean films, of purposeful cinema, BN is remembered, and his films like ''[[Sumangali (1940 film)|Sumangali]]'', ''Malleswari'', ''[[Bangaru Papa]]'', ''[[Devata (1941 film)|Devata]]'' are screened, some go nostalgic...some give out deep sighs...some shed silent tears. Sentimental folks long for the bygone days of glory that was Telugu cinema and that was BN Reddi.|Film historian Randor Guy about Narasimha Reddy in the 9th International Film Festival of India's manual.<ref name="IFFI"/>}}
Notice the | after {{quote and the | before the attribution line. This last | creates the line break, indent, and long dash before the attribution. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}06:03, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oh, my gosh. How did you learn all this stuff, Checkingfax? Thank you for explaining it to me. I guess that hover-thing over the "c." is a good idea, as is the circa template. Regarding the quote formatting, when would you use the blockquote code? I know you can add the reference code at the end of a blockquote, but that only adds a superscript reference number, right? I guess the quote template is used when you want the attribution to show on the line below the quote. Thanks for looking at the St. Paul's Cathedral (Kolkata), the Malliswari, and the Sleepy Hollow Country Club articles. Corinne (talk) 03:11, 12 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear Corinne. I like templates because they create uniformity and also because the template can be tweaked from the source and it automatically rolls out to where it is in use. Also, the template can add functionality by combining several HTML tags and CSS styling features in to one nifty named template. A template is like a macro. Besides, many HTML tags are being deprecated for CSS styling and templates can be created that package the CSS code which can be verbose in to one named template. I prefer the {{quote}} template over the HTML blockquote tag because the quote template has the option to easily add the attribution. Also, it's easier to close the quote template with a }} whereas the HTML blockquote tag requires a /blockquote to close it. Then with a blockquote tag you still have to format the attribution line with a further indent and an emdash. PITA if you ask me. You can use the quote template with or without invoking the attribution feature: Without attribution: {{quote|Quote text goes here}}; with attribution: {{quote|Quote text goes here|Attribution text goes here}}. You can hang a reference within the quote template or hang one on the closing tag of a blockquote. Cheers! PS: IIRC, the quote I fixed had an attribution that looked like a reference because it had an author= parameter, but the quote also add a reference attached to the attribution. You can have both if needed—an attribution and a reference. The reference will show up as a superscripted number encased in brackets. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}03:32, 12 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
I was just skimming the article Chiloé Archipelago, and I made a few copy-edits including adding a few conversion templates. When you convert from square kilometers to square miles, is it all right if the kilometers show km2 and the miles say "sq mi"? Or should it come out as "square kilometers" or "sq. k" and "sq. mi"?
I noticed while I was in edit mode that there is a notice in red letters at the top of the page, something about the infobox. Can you look at it and fix whatever needs to be fixed there? (I didn't read the article through carefully yet, so if you see any other errors, that's why, and of course feel free to make any edits that need to be made.) Corinne (talk) 00:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. I am not a big fan of abbreviations, and this one, IMHO, was inharmonious. Since real estate is cheap on Wikipedia pages I changed abbr=on to abbr=off and I think it looks much more explanatory and harmonious without being overly dominating. PS: It worked well in this conversion but sometimes you have to restrict the conversion from being too detailed: The rule is to have the conversion be about the same accuracy as what is being converted, so you don't want one-inch converting to 2.54376453749857476 cm. You can restrict it by adding a pipe and a digit to the end of the conversion telling it how many decimal places to go out (zero is valid too).
The red letter warning was a soft warning that there was a non-critical unknown parameter in the infobox. I went to {{infobox settlement}} and took note of the supported parameters and adjusted them a bit in the infobox itself, but I could not find a place to put the data that existed in the unknown parameter. Oh, well. At least there won't be any more error showing during edit. Sometimes I can find an alternative parameter like maybe somebody used website= when they should have used web_site=. If I really get stuck I try the Template Talk page, or I just leave the soft error and let somebody else figure it out since those errors do show up in a maintenance category that some Template editors monitor. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}06:35, 13 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for fixing that and for your explanations. I also am not a fan of abbreviations, but I see them used so often on WP that I thought I should be using them. I'm glad you wrote it out (I didn't look at the changes yet; I'm just going by what you said). I also knew about the option of controlling the decimal places by adding a number (but I had forgotten if I just had to put the number after the last pipe or if I had to add something else), but when I looked at the number I saw that it was something like 6.8. If I limit it to zero places, I would just get 6, and since it's close to 7, I thought 6 would be misleading. Of course, I would prefer that inches be expressed with fractions, which is what we're used to: 6 3/4 inches, 5 1/2 inches, etc., and feet expressed like this: 5 feet eight inches, or 7 and a half feet, etc., but I haven't seen either of those combinations very often on WP. Decimals with inches and feet don't mean very much to American readers. Corinne (talk) 16:06, 13 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. 10ths are only good if you are a surveyor. They divide a foot in to 10ths and then each of those are divided in to 10ths on their surveyor rods. Throws a carpenter for a loop to use a surveyor's rod as a yardstick. The 10ths look like inches but they are not inches. Makes their Trig easier. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}17:49, 13 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Checkingfax I'm reading the article on Pinophyta, and I saw that a kind of suffix preceded by a hyphen had become divided at the end of the line, with the hyphen at the end of the line and the suffix at the beginning of the next, so I decided to substitute the code for a no-break hyphen that I've had at the top right of my talk page for a long time, here. However, I noticed the same thing I noticed a long time ago, and that is that the no-break hyphen is shorter than a regular hyphen. I've asked about this with the "helpme" template (told in Archive 9 that it was not the right place to ask), and have had two editors tell me it looks the same to them. See User talk:Corinne/Archive 9#No-break hyphen and User talk:Corinne/Archive 12#No-break hyphen, but to me the two hyphens look different. Any suggestions? Corinne (talk) 01:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear Walter Görlitz. Cease. There is not a single word in MOS:PIPE about removing the genitive 's inside the Wikilink. You're not supposed to revert the work of other editors without good reason, and you don't have one. Just stop. Now.
The Script you are running is doing some good but do not run it on any pages with emdashes or genitive 's inside the wikilink until further notice. Thank you. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}15:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
You are now WP:3RR and I'm not sure wtf this has to do with the five pillars. It's actually fixing the em-dahses, may be spaced as the MoS you pointed me to indicates and it's common in International English. As I said, take it up with others. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:45, 13 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
and then you tag me for edit warring? I'm fixing your mistakes and you have the nerve to correct me. Stay away from my talk page and don't template the regulars. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:57, 13 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear Walter Görlitz. You started this by changing edits I had just made. That made you 1RR. Then you changed them again and went 2RR. Then you had the audacity to come here and tell me I was 3RR. 1+1 does not equal 4. That is why I had to violate DTTR. You did not mend your ways. Also, reverting bad edits does not count toward RR anyway. Did you read the MoS yet? I did not think so. Now will you stop approving those silly misguided edits? Man up and admit they are against MoS. The MoS that you linked me to. Then you call in your tag team to revert my valid edits again? You did not fix anything. Read the MoS. I even quoted it for you. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}17:08, 13 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
By changing it you made the first of your reverts. Go read WP:3RR. Each individual group of changes is considered a revert. Your four together was your first revert. My application of the script was my first revert. Feel free to confirm at 3RR. Reverting vandalism is not the same as reverting what you consider to be a bad edit. Reverting clear and obvious vandalism is exempt from 3RR. Me reverting what I consider to be your bad edits is not exempt any more than you reverting what you consider to be mine. The fact that another editor reverted you lends to the idea that my edits, and that of the script, are the accepted standard.
Dear Walter Görlitz. Did you read the MoS:DASH for em dash? How much more clear can this be? This is copied right off the MoS:
Do not use spaces with em dashes.
You are wrong again. The MOS:DASH is a MOS. Read it again and again until it sinks in: Do not use spaces with em dashes.
Plus, you reverted my valid genitive 's edits. You started this. Now man up and stop it! Why are you making this so difficult? I think you may have en dash rules confused with em dash rules. That's OK. I know it's challenging. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}17:35, 13 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Namecalling aside, I have no crony. You might want to talk to that other editor and after you read WP:BATTLEGROUND (and then Wikipedia:Civility. I don't think I've been a dick about this, but may have had my back up. Your edit notice reminds all editors of this page to be civil. I'm not sure if you've read that recently.
Yes, I had read manual of style on punctuation and yes, I did confuse it with en-dashes. The mistake was honest. I had always used un-spaced em-dashes since I was an undergrad. An editor I respected reverted my removal of spaced em-dashes on several football articles while claiming that this was the way that it was done in England, and I took the editor's word for it. Too many football articles on my watchlist to try to remember which articles those were.
However, the piping is incorrect. I suggest that you raise the issue on the talk page of that MoS since your specific case is not discussed and three editors oppose you, the script's creator, me and Secondarywaltz. While you may be right to include the possessive within the link, you presently have no support.
Meanwhile, have you read WP:3RR? It does not support your interpretation of what constitutes 3RR.
An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period. An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert.
So the series of consecutive edits that undid the formatting of the possessives was actually a revert. Again, feel free to ask if that is a correct interpretation of 3RR.
Finally, don't be so demanding. Just like you, I'm not a paid staff-member of Wikipedia. I have a life outside of editing this project and I pining me twice doesn't make me magically appear. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Walter Görlitz. An editors' initial edit does not count as a 1RR. That is ridiculous. The counter started when you reverted my edit. When I reverted your revert I went to 1RR. Besides you just said above that 3RR is doing more than 3 edits. 3+more=4 to be 3RR. So, I would have to do my initial edit, then 4 more edits for a total of 5, to violate 3RR. You might want to keep that in mind. If you ever take anybody to the court of 3RR the admins will shoot you down if you only bring 3 reverts, unless somebody has been seriously disruptive all over the Wikipedia.
As for moving genitive 's from inside the wikilink to outside the wikilink, that is just nutty. And, there is no Wikipedia MoS to support the revert of those. In fact, the MoS says that apostrophes are one of the cases where you cannot pull the genitive 's to inside the wikilink without piping it. Read the MoS:PIPE carefully—the link you sent to me.
For no-space emdash I have created a handy macro: {{nsmdns}}. ns=no space; md=emdash; ns=no space. I have created another handy one for date spacing where you need a spaced endash. It goes like this: {{snds}}: s=space; nd=endash; s=space.
Here is what is proper according to the Wikipedia house style:
1900{{ndash}}1905
1900–1905
Live June 19, 1901{{snds}}July 16, 1971
Live June 19, 1901 – July 16, 1971
on to say{{nsmdns}}what are you talking about?
on to say—what are you talking about?
Glad to hear you do not have a crony.
Let's ask Secondarywaltz to tweak the script so it repairs emdashes to always be unspaced.
I'm not going to argue with you any longer. You clearly don't believe me, so please go ask at the project as I have asked you to do twice.
As for possessives, you're right, it's nutty that there is no MoS to support your actions. You should try to get one made. As for the MoS, which I have read and understood, what it says is "This does not work for affixes beginning with hyphens, apostrophes, or capital letters". That does not imply that you should bring apostrophes into the link, only that it does not work with leading or trailing punctuation and capitals. Again, not clear to you that you should not do it, but clear to three editors that it should not be done. If you want it to work as you have described, you'll have to gain consensus at the MoS. I won't support or oppose your request and I won't agree to "let them be" because it's not correct. And Secondarywaltz isn't the script's author, and I did mention to the author that you're angry. I'll let him come discuss that with you.
Finally, as for requests, I will likely ignore all further requests to come to your talk page unless it's an urgent request for police or medical assistance with clear instructions on how to get that to you. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:37, 14 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
I've just been pinged here concerning some edits that may have involved use of my script. I'd like to start by making the following observations:
I don't know precisely what article the complaints are about, so a diff or two would be helpful bearing in mind the all-encompassing nature of the apparent style changes
I'm not aware of any one of my scripts inserting spaces either before or after the emdash, could Walter possibly confirm that he made this change manually?
As to the unpiping of the genitive, I would disagree with your assertion that moving the apostrophe outside of the link was "silly". It seems to me that the piping is misleading one that would fall into the WP:EGG category – note that there is rarely an article referring to objects belonging to a given person (physical or otherwise), and as such [[Clement Moore|Clement Moore's]] "A Visit from St. Nicholas" and [[Church of England|Church of England's]] use of the term Christmas season, in this edit, is not wrong. Maybe Tony1 (talk·contribs) might have a comment? -- Ohc ¡digame!20:34, 14 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, OhconfuciusI think your MoS script is grand. Thank you for building it.
Are you saying U.S. President [[Dwight D. Eisenhower|Dwight D. Eisenhower's]] 1955 card is an easter egg, but [[Christmastide|Christmas season]] is not an easter egg? Or did I misunderstand your bullet point three. I do not see either one as being an easter egg. Neither one is going to astonish anybody when they click on it.
On 15 January 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hors d'oeuvre, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that hors d'oeuvre trays (pictured) served on a table may be referred to as buffet-style, while those held and passed by servers are part of butler-style service or butlered hors d'oeuvres? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hors d'oeuvre. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hi, Corinne. I do not comprehend the gist of the puzzle, but I tried to play along. Facepalm. Also, commenting out the names in any replies seems lame since the source code shows up anyway when you click on a Notification and click on Show changes (which is the way I usually pick up Notifications). Are you going to play? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:55, 17 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
I can't play because I have no idea what any of those abbreviations are. I think the poster wanted people to find one that should never be abbreviated. What does "comment out the words" (toward the end of the comment) mean? How could you tell at a glance which ones were redirects? What's a redirect anyway? Corinne (talk) 14:13, 17 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. A redirect is a wikilink that says one thing but goes to another thing like this one: Lock out chamber. Also, note that after you go to it there will be a link down below the new title that tells you where you were redirected from. In this case it will look like this: (Redirected from Lock out chamber). If you click on that link it will take you to the redirect page instead. If you click on edit-source on the redirect page you can see what a redirect page consists of wikicodewise. The format to create a redirect page is very consistent. Here is another redirect: WP:GOCE. I can tell at a glance which are redirects because I installed a user script in to my common.js file that makes redirects turn green. I have found it to be remarkably handy. Half of the initialisms s/he posted were green to me. I assumed that comment out the words meant s/he did not want us to post spoilers so we should wrap our guesses with <!-- guessed word here --> tags so they would not render. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}14:34, 17 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Eliedion. Why did you revert five category additions I made such as this one regarding images of René Angélil? I added his images to the category correctly showing both diacritic marks in his full name while his images were currently in a category only showing one diacritic mark which is incorrect. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}10:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi. You created a new category. Why? It already exists. Why don't you renamed it? I was on iPad so I can't ask to delete this category to rename René Angelil to René Angélil. I'm hoping you to understand. Eliedion (talk) 20:12, 17 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
So, I took a dive through the Teahouse sub-pages, and found a few other cases of position: absolute; CSS, similar to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Editor welcome. I have changed all of the instances I found to eliminate the problematic CSS, while preserving what I believed to be the intended results. Given the huge number of sub-pages there, I could easily have missed some, or there may be other similar CSS issues I've yet to spot. Please feel free to ask me to take a look at any of the other stuff there, if there are any templates still giving undesirable formatting, etc. I'm also quite happy to revisit my fix if you feel it needs any adjustment. --Murph9000 (talk) 03:41, 20 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Checkingfax, in cases where a person new to GA clearly doesn't understand the process and goes on a drive-by nominating spree—Adrian 8076 nominated thirteen articles earlier today, which I think is some kind of record, and also posted a highly problematic GA review—the nominations are all reverted. I wanted to let you know this, because your reversions of DepressedPer are about to reverted so the nominations are removed. Thank you for your understanding. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
I'll agree that "Not ready for GAN" is somewhat lacking as an edit summary, even if it was accurate. However, I'm curious as to why you continued to think DepressedPer was a vandal as the number of nominations that were made by the same person made at about the same time started to mount, and as you saw that DP was taking the time to update the WikiProject information on some of the talk pages—updates that would normally not be removed even if you thought restoring the GA nominee template was in order. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:49, 20 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hello,
I am one of the contributors to the Intrapsychic Humanism (IH) page. It was deleted 7 Jan by RHaworth for "copyvio". Our editing pace is very infrequent so we didn't see RHaworth copyvio warning in time to communicate. What is the best way to start dialog with RHaworth? I cannot find the "IH" talk page. bobbcarroll2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbcarroll2 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, there Bobbcarroll2. Sorry about your article. Yes, RHaworth deleted it after it went through some kind of process. You can contact him here. That will open a direct edit page to leave a message. Be sure to sign it with four tildes ~~~~
Hi BabbaQ, it was my pleasure to find and archive 2 dead links on the Oba Chandler article. One was #57 and one was the first External link. Please check the archived version of the links. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}02:13, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
He seems to like to own Bangladesh articles and seems somewhat allergic to Pakistanis editing Bangladesh articles. He has seen my userboxes and reverts my edits indiscriminately. My only choice is to let him own the articles and let him run like a bull or confront and keep insisting that I have the same rights to edit as he does. I was thinking about opening an RFC but he does not basically let any of my edits stay. It would be like opening an RFC every day. I am not sure what to do. If you look at the edit history, there were series of them. He could have just added the picture back if his objection was only on removal of the picture but he reverted just every thing because those edits were done by a Pakistani. Please advise what to do in this situation. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 09:17, 22 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, Checkingfax. Out of curiosity I looked at both talk pages and I didn't see the notice about discretionary sanctions on one of them. Corinne (talk) 14:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
We are only allowed to set one DS/A per year per user or we can be subject to harassment sanctions. When you set a DS/A there is an edit notice that stops with a big red stop sign and gives you 2 links to check the DS/A set logs, and warns you of the sanctions for oversetting DS/As. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}15:06, 22 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Corinne. Codicil: On the first DS/A I attempted to set it just went right through without the normal edit filter notice warning, but the 2nd DS/A attempt by me the edit filter did stop me with the warning and when I double checked the logs, sure enough that user had gotten a warning on the 10th. Usually there is no evidence in the logs of priors and I go ahead and set them. I am going to report this anomaly to Samwalton9 one of the admins on the forefront of the Edit Notice Filters. Paging Samwalton9. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}15:25, 22 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Checkingfax. Not sure I entirely understand the issue here; could you provide me the diff for the edit you think should have given you a notice? I'll look into it. Sam Walton (talk) 15:51, 22 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
On 24 January 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Clara Henry, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Clara Henry(pictured) wrote the book I've Got the Period, So What? about female menstrual periods and why women should not be ashamed to talk about them? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Clara Henry. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hi ViperSnake151. The-non-breaking-space-prevents-the-10-from-falling-off-from-the-Windows-at-a-line-break-especially-on-a-mobile-device. The template is the preferred method of invoking the non-breaking-space. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}16:37, 28 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for your work to expand the current TAFI collaboration. It's fine to copy content from other articles, and thank for providing copy attribution as you have been doing. Just a note that copied content does not qualify as article expansion for WP:DYK purposes. So, if you're interested in the article becoming a main page DYK entry, content has to be written in one's own words. Just pointing this out, and carry on. Cheers, North America100001:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hello, Checkingfax -- I accepted an assignment at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests a week ago to copy-edit Divisional Cavalry Regiment (New Zealand). I finally got to it today. I decided to read it first. I got to the end of the lead and a little more. As I was reading, I skimmed some of the linked articles, including Battle of the Mareth Line. I made one copy-edit. I thought the fraction "4 1/2" looked odd in the lead, so I changed it to words (I always prefer words over numbers unless it is a science- or math-related article). An editor reverted me with this edit. I want to ask you what you think. I don't see any reason to use a number here. Corinne (talk) 01:29, 6 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Checkingfax, I just spent some time making copy-edits to Humanism, but there were a few places where I had a hard time figuring out where the initial and ending blockquote templates belonged. If you look at the article in regular view, there seems to be a lot of space between two blockquotes and the surrounding text about a quarter of the way through the article, near two images. Also, I forget what you recommend for a plain unspaced en-dash. Corinne (talk) 16:05, 10 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Those blockquotes were difficult to interpret because some were nested (purposefully) into references. I have not see that before so I was initially befuddled. Also, in at least one place the closing 'blockquote' tag was on the wrong side of the closing 'ref' tag (it was not properly 'nested').
I put some line breaks before and after the normal blockquotes (the blockquotes not nested within ref tags). These extra line breaks will not render to our readers—extra line breaks only render if you go beyond one extra. I added these line breaks merely as an editor's convenience. The extra line breaks are especially helpful for editors with low-vision or motor-skill issues.
I also removed all the hardcoded image sizes that were in the range of 200px as this can be a MOS:ACCESSIBILITY issue. I left the image sizing intact that was down at around 50px since that was a logo.
To shrink the spacing between the two blockquotes I tried using the 'poem' tag. Tell me what you think. You can add another line break between the two 'poem' tags if you think it needs another line break.
I also thought that maybe removing the hardcoding of the image sizes from the image tags would help blockquoted text wrap around the images better but it did not seem to help.
For unspaced ndash you can use {{ndash}} or its alias {{nsndns}} (they go to the same root template).
Oh, dear, I guess I might have moved one of the end-blockquote templates to inside a ref. I didn't realize blockquotes could be within the ref. Does that mean the quote is in a reference at the bottom of the page rather than in the main part of the article? It was all quite confusing. I'm glad you have sorted it out. I'll take a look at the article now. Corinne (talk) 01:37, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
At screen resolution 100% and 110% the images look fine, and I don't see unnecessary white space. At 150% I do see white space, but that's all right. I notice that in the notes section, there is a lot of space right after the number of the note and before the beginning of the blockquote for #7 and #62 (again, I'm looking at this at 150% resolution). Can that be reduced a bit? Corinne (talk) 01:42, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. I think you added closing blockquote tags in the middle of some blockquotes which would then segment those blockquotes. I think you added a blockquote opening tag too that would also create a blockquote segment.
It looks like the original intent was to have some blockquotes as part of a reference (nested inside the reference tag) and most of the blockquotes were intended to be standalone like we are used to, or have the references outside of the blockquote or hanging on the text portion of the blockquote inside the closing blockquote tag.
I put an {{in use}} template on the page and I will dig in and sort them out.
I just remembered something. I think I changed one "BCE" to "BC" because I had already seen a "BC", and saved it. Then I saw more "BCE's", so I didn't change it anymore. Can you figure out which era style was used first and then make them consistent, or, if you don't want to or don't have time, if you'll let me know then I can do that. Corinne (talk) 05:03, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. The Humanism article was created as a single sentence by Ed Poor on November 30, 2001. That single sentence was smoothed in by Graham87 in an edit from nost: on June 4, 2010 to the version of the article existing in 2010. The 2001 version contains no dates. The 2010 version uses BCE throughout. Since it is a secular article, BCE is probably the way to go. BTW, Graham87 uses the JAWS screen reader to read and edit Wikipedia! Nost: is the 2001 version of Wikipedia that is now locked down to further editing. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:47, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I imported the first edit to the page, but don't let the prev/next edit links in this case fool you ... they go to the wrong place due to an irregularity in the database. Graham8709:25, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I'm in the middle of copy-editing the article on Bad Aibling, the town near the rail car accident that is mentioned on the Main Page. The caption of an image says just "Hofberg". I wondered whether it should be "the Hofberg" (if it's a castle or something like that), or whether it is a town or neighborhood in Bad Aibling, so I searched and found nothing on the English Wikipedia, but I found an article "Hofberg (Bad Aibling)" on the German Wikipedia. However, I couldn't figure out how to translate it. My Google translate (with the shift key) didn't work. I thought I could either find a little more about Hofberg to add to the caption or link it. Can you help? Corinne (talk) 20:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Corinne. Using the Bing Translator, it translates to: Hofberg in an ancient engraving by Matthäus Merian d. ä. from 1644
I notice on the English page, Hofberg is in italics, which may indicate Hofberg is the title of the engraving. I also note that on the engraving itself the title has an 'n' instead of an 'i' and the 'n' has an umlaut (2 horizontal dots over the n).
Hi, Checkingfax. Thank you much, but I think there is some miscommunication here. First, it was I who put "Hofberg" into italics. I usually put the title of an image of a painting or drawing in italics, following MoS guidelines (that I've read carefully – I've worked on a lot of art articles, but thank you for that link; I'll look at it later). If you think it is not the title of the drawing/engraving, I'll put it back to regular font. Second, I wanted to know what "Hofberg" was – a building, a town, a neighborhood of a city? Third, I'm glad you found the article on the artist; I'll read it later. However, I don't know what you mean by "a 'y' in the image caption name". In the name of the artist? Regarding using Bing translator, do you copy the text and paste it into the translator? Where do you find the Bing translator? I'm using Google Chrome, so I don't have Bing unless I use, maybe, Internet Explorer. Sorry for so many questions at once. Also, thank you for helping Tschips re categories. Corinne (talk) 01:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC) P.S. Just want to be sure you know that by numbering the items ("First,...", etc.), I didn't mean to convey impatience with your reply. I was just kind of listing them because there were so many different points to cover.) Corinne (talk) 02:23, 11 February 2016 (UTC) P.S.S. How in blazes do you keep that cup of coffee in the same place as the page moves up and down? That's really weird, and cool at the same time. I guess you like coffee. Corinne (talk) 02:24, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. I too poked around to see what Hofberg was and could not find anything. The only thing was I found the image being used on was another page that referenced Aibling and Aybling. Now that I look at the etching closer I do not think the 'n' has an umlaut as n with umlaut is not a German letter. I think what looks like an umlaut is merely damage to the etching. I agree Hofberg should be in Italics assuming that is the title of the etching.
The link regarding Image Galleries I thought would be helpful since it appears the section title of 'Gallery' is not MoS compliant. I have only recently become aware of this particular MoS section.
There are drop down menus to pick various languages for to and from. Then you can click on the ←→ arrows to toggle back and forth between the to and from boxes.
Yes, you copy and paste in to the box on the left and it translates into the box on the right. You can use any browser to get to that long URL for Bing.
The coffee cup transcludes from a simple code on another user's page via a template. I checked out the template and it would be easy for me to clone and then put a different image in it to display. It is remarkable to me that the image appears so stationary as one scrolls up or down the page. It is done with an image style position called 'absolute'. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}03:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for your reply. I just read that section on Image galleries, and I see what you mean. I think there are probably too many images there for such a short article, there are more than one image of some places, some captions are not in English, etc. I'm wondering if a gallery is even needed. Perhaps it would be best to just select two or three of the most pertinent and best images and place them in the right place in the article and get rid of the rest. Thanks for the link to the bing translator. I used to use Google translate which was in a drop-down menu at "More" at the top of the page, but when I re-set everything to the default settings, it disappeared and I don't remember how to get it back. Corinne (talk) 03:42, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
The Court is a former Castle Mountain in Bad Aibling. He is an arch-shaped moraine Hill Bad Aibling's town centre nestles in the Northwest.
History the Hofberg was probably already the seat of a fortification (oppidum) in the Celtic la Tène culture, which was later taken over by the Romans. A Court of Bavaria, which was expanded to a King's Court (Royal Palace) of the Carolingians in the 8th century was formed in the year 470.
In the following centuries the Hofberg was the seat of the Bailiwick of Aibling. 1293 foster Court was established at Mount farm, until 1972, a separate District Court was located here.
The still existing branch of the Rosenheim District Court was dissolved in the year 2013. Today, a court as a branch of the Rosenheim District Court is housed in the buildings.
(a) I suppose I could attempt to put this into Standard English, but do you think all of this should be added to the Bad Aibling article?
(b) If I do put this into Standard English, and we want to add some or all of it to the article, can you help with the reference(s) because I don't have a clue about doing that?
(c) Even from reading this material, I still can't tell if the Hofberg is just a hill, or a neighborhood or district of the city, or a castle on the hill. Tschips, what do you think? Corinne (talk) 21:57, 12 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I found it a bit confusing when I run through the german websites of Bad Aibling. Think it needs a close look to recent state and historical developement and I will attend to it when I finished another project. Greets --Tschips (talk) 02:17, 13 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. If you want to get your feet wet with references go to your Preferences and enable Proveit. It will give you a widget at the bottom of the edit window: Click on the up arrow; click on add reference; fill out the blanks; put your cursor where you want to insert a reference; click on insert in to edit form. This will place a fully dressed reference where your cursor is. The other way to do it is to put a long, bare URL between an opening and closing <ref> tag and then use WP:reFill to fill in the parameters. With reFill I like to click on the superscripted link for options then uncheck all the boxes, then recheck only the bottom checkbox and the 3rd one from the bottom, then click on fix page. To enable reFill go to your Preferences, then to the Gadgets section, and check off the box for MoreMenu, adds Page and User dropdown menus to the toolbar with links to common tasks, analytic tools and logs. Supports Vector (documentation), and Monobook / Modern skins (documentation) and save your change. Or you can build references by hand using the various citation templates (cite book, cite news, cite web, etc.). We could go in to IRC and I could walk you through all this over the weekend. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}11:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Wow. Thank you for all this good information. What is IRC? Let me do a little editing for GOCE for a while. Maybe later today or tomorrow we could work on this. Thank you. Corinne (talk) 22:02, 13 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. IRC is Internet Relay Chat. Wikipedia uses freenode for that. I have set up an IRC channel for GOCE and we could go in there and chat in real time and I could walk you through doing references for any you want to add. Getting in to IRC is very easy. Click on a link, enter a nickname (Corinne might already be taken—who knows—if so you can always append with numerals or alpha characters), click on a CAPTCHA checkbox, click on connect. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oh. Thank you for your offer. I'm a bit too tired now to start something like that. Can we do that another day? Can I ask you, though, whether I should sign in once just to establish my nickname even though I don't want to chat now? Are you using your WP user name there? Corinne (talk) 02:08, 14 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Another day would be great. Registering a username and then having to log in with it each time is arduous and arcane. I would recommend against it. You could poke your head in just to see the login process. The channel will be empty because nobody is using it yet. Click on the superscripted connect link. #GOCEconnect. Joining the channel without registering your nickname does not in any way reserve your nickname for future use. You can use any nickname. I use my Wikpedia one. You type or paste your comments in to the bottom line and then hit ↵ Enter for them to show up in the chat panel. Try it out now for practice. Should take about 1 minute. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:38, 14 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I tried it out. There was no "captcha" for me to type, only a box next to "I am not a robot" that I clicked on and then there was a check-mark, like "O.K." I typed one line and saved. The place is kind of plain-looking, and the font was quite small. I think I prefer talk pages instead. Corinne (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear Corinne. Yes, plain indeed. The checkbox is the simple CAPTCHA. If you enter the IRC several times it will switch to a more advanced CAPTCHA where you have to pick images from a grid then click on "verify" to get in. IRC is good for a back and forth conversation. Happy Valentine's Day! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}04:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
(Just saw this.) Oh. Have you used IRC for a conversation yet? How do you draw the attention of a GOCE editor so that you can begin the conversation, and how will you know when to look there for a reply? Corinne (talk) 13:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. I used IRC once when WMF SF HQ was having a panel discussion in SF that I was planning to attend but it did not say what time it ended so I went in to an IRC channel and SamWalton9 told me to go to Ocaasi (WMF)'s talk page and post a message. Several times after that I went to an IRC channel for user Wikipedia user Dispenser (IRC channel ##Dispenser). S/he is the brains behind several wmflabs tools on Wikipedia including Checklinks, Semi-Automated Peer Reviewer, etc. S/he wanted alpha testers for a new rollout so I went in his/her IRC while I used the proposed tool. I gave live feedback and asked questions when I got stuck. I learned a lot in an hour. Recently I had a problem with getting registered with a locked in IRC nickname so I went in to the freenode IRC channel and asked their developers how to get hooked up and they bootstrapped me in. It would have been a nightmare to do it by Talk page or by email. That is why I do not recommend registering your nickname.
For the #GOCE IRC channel since nobody is using it, we'd probably have to go in by appointment. You could go in and just wait for somebody but nobody really knows about it and the pool of participants is small. You can configure it to make a chirp tone and blink your browser tab when you are being pinged. I put a dummy in the GOCE channel so it stays open all the time and we do not have to worry about freenode shutting it down for being dormant. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}13:48, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oh. I understand most of what you wrote, although (because of occasional jargon with which I am unfamiliar) it approaches sounding like another dialect of English, but that's all right. At least I see that it is useful at times. I'd like to understand what you meant by "I had a problem with a locked in IRC nickname". Does that mean you registered "Checkingfax" and so it was locked in – that is, you couldn't change it even if you wanted to? What is the problem with having a locked-in user name? When I tried out IRC that one time that I mentioned above, I don't remember if I registered it my user name as my nickname or not. I don't think so, but I don't remember. Corinne (talk) 14:06, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Yes, I wanted to reserve my username so nobody could imp me. But I got stuck in a registration loop where I confirmed myself by email but then when I tried to login in it said I needed to register but when I tried to register it said I was a blocked user and I ended up chasing my tail. Finally somebody in their official channel asked if maybe I put a space in front of my login and sure enough I did. Once I removed the space I was able to proceed with getting in. When I copied the string of code from the email I caught an extra space in the string in to my clipboard. Now each time I want to login in I have to use an arcane command string that I don't have internalized yet. I guess I'll put it in a text file on my Desktop so I can copy/paste it. The problem is they only give you about 30 seconds to login before they log you in as a guest, then you have to refresh and go back in through the advanced CAPTCHA. Too much drahmuh. Now that Checkingfax is registered I have to use the arcane string of text if I want to login with that nickname. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}14:20, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I'm puzzled by something in the lead in Arthur Quiller-Couch. It is this sentence:
He influenced many who never met him, including American writer Helene Hanff, author of 84, Charing Cross Road and its sequel, Q's Legacy; and the fictional Horace Rumpole.
I suppose it's only the semi-colon after "Q's Legacy" that separates the last phrase from the rest of the sentence. I had read it that Helene Hanff was author of all three: 84, Charing Cross Road, its sequel, Q's Legacy, and the fictional Horace Rumpole. However, Horace Rumpole was written by John Mortimer. Any thoughts? Corinne (talk) 04:26, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Corinne. Yes, #18 had a problem with the date= and the year= having a mismatch so I fixed it.
As for the lead I would add John Mortimer's name to that sentence or split it out in to its own sentence. Yes, it is confusing as it stands, especially to somebody who does not chase it down like you did. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}04:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I don't know anything about that kind of thing, Checkingfax. If you don't know, we can ask Apokryltaros. I was curious to what Richard Quiller Couch succumbed at the age of 47, and I found a source here. It looks like that piece of information is quoted from the Lancet. See the bottom of the left-hand column. Do you think it is a detail worth adding to this article? Corinne (talk) 01:43, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear Corinne. I moved the two external links down to the Richard Quiller Couch#External links section. There was one bizarre punctuation in the same section as the external links were in but I checked the version from seven years ago and it was identical. It was this:
I think the &c. was more common in the past, and, though I may be wrong, that the hyphen between a double last name was less common in the past. Corinne (talk) 13:23, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hatting a template
Latest comment: 8 years ago23 comments3 people in discussion
I just finished copy-editing Sweden Democrats. (I left several comments at User talk:BabbaQ#Sweden Democrats if you're interested.) I want to put the GOCE template saying that the article was copy-edited by me and the date, but this time I want to hide it so it's visible only if one clicks on the word "show". However, I don't know how to hat a template. Is that possible? I thought it should go above the two statements about controversies, just below the list of WikiProjects, at Talk:Sweden Democrats. Corinne (talk) 03:10, 13 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
bg= is to give it a background color. Use any color you like, or you can omit that parameter. If you do a view source, don't be confused by the curly braces around the equal-sign—that is done so the template displays properly for you in this example. Ping me back with any questions. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:00, 13 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! I was about to add the GOCE template with the "collapse top", etc., but I didn't know how to add a color. I searched and searched and found Web colors. There are lots of colors there, but I don't know which type to use, which table to pick from, or whether to use a color name or a number (after the "bg="). Corinne (talk) 22:29, 13 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. You can omit the |bg= part of the template and it will show the "stock" color scheme, or you can do any web color by name or by number. Do a Preview to see how your color works as some colors do not work well to show up the hat title text. So you could do bg=orange and the background would be orange, or you could do bg=#880011 and it would be a different color. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:35, 14 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. I checked it out several hours ago and even though I knew it was there I did not see it at first glace. Kudos. You picked a very close color too. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I just finished copy-editing an article for GOCE. It's Al-Shaykh Al-Mufid. (I left a few questions for the requester on his/her talk page in case you read the article. There were some things I couldn't figure out.) I wanted to use the template you gave me, actually the same one I put at Sweden Democrats, but I wanted it to be the same width as the other things at the top of the article's talk page (see Talk:Al-Shaykh Al-Mufid), but it came out much wider. How can I make it the same width? Corinne (talk) 03:30, 14 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Happy day for you. That template includes a width= parameter. Use % (percent) or px (pixels). Try:
|width=900px
Caveat: The 'w' in 'width' has to be lower case or the parameter will fail. PS: If you want to darken that bg= color a tad you can try "numbered" colors instead (hexidecimal colors). Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for finding the right color. I tried that, then looked at it in preview, and it was way wider than the other sections, and way too wide for the page, so I reduced the width and saved. Then I looked at it in 110% screen resolution, and it was again too wide (left-to-right), so I reduced it again. (It changes width when I change the screen resolution.) But now, when I click "Show", the actual rectangle with the message is kind of "fat", that is, narrow, or short, left-to-right width and deep (top-to-bottom width). I couldn't see a way to make it more stretched out left-to-right. Corinne (talk) 03:50, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
It looks great! I see you put it inside the final pair of curly brackets so the "box" matches the other "boxes". But it doesn't show the hatting templating you gave me at the beginning of this section, above. Is the hatting an integral part of the GOCE WikiProject banner shell template? Corinne (talk) 16:46, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Yep. The hatting is integral to the WikiProject banner shell template. The GOCE template is based on a master template that is harmonious with the WikiProject banner shell template. I am glad you are happy. Have fun. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}17:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Sigh... I saw the change that Redrose64 made at Talk:Al-Shaykh Al-Mufid so that the DYK information is not included in the banner shell with the WikiProjects, and, after having just completed a copy-edit, I thought I could add the same kind of thing, but with today's date, to Talk:Oran fatwa, but, though I tried different locations and combinations, in preview it didn't look right, so I didn't save. Can someone add it so that I can see how it is supposed to be done? Corinne (talk) 23:39, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Sigh indeed. The basic template for the banner shell is {{WikiProject banner shell}}. You use the template to surround all the WikiProject templates you want to collapse. So you have to start with the first part of the template like this: {{WikiProject banner shell|
Then leave all the WikiProjects in the middle of the template right after the pipe ( "|" } then close it all up with two curly braces like this: }} to complete the WikiProject banner shell template.
It looks about like this:
{{WikiProject banner shell|
{{WikiProject template1}}
{{WikiProject template2}}
{{GOCE template}}
}}
Sometimes the WikiProject templates have multiple parameters separated by pipes or even multiple parameters separated by pipes and on separate lines, but as long as you put the first part of the banner shell template at the beginning (with a pipe after it but without the two curly braces) and the two curly braces at the end, you'll be fine. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}03:08, 16 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I added this to the GOCE templates section on my talk page and I added the collapse top and bottom templates to the Templates section on my talk page, but in the process of moving things around I seem to have narrowed the width of the entire group of boxes for all the Useful things. I had been meaning to ask you anyway if there was a way to widen the boxes a bit so they are not in such a narrow column, but now the boxes are even narrower than they were just a few minutes ago. Corinne (talk) 03:49, 16 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. There are a series of edits on oran fatwa starting here. The editor says to put CE before the date number but then proceeds to put the CE after the date number. In a later edit the editor removes the CE and says it is not needed. I think CE is needed because it is comparing one datestyle to another datestyle. What about this series of edits? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:44, 22 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I looked at the edits starting from the most recent and going back, and I saw the edits you are referring to. I think the editor meant that a CE date should come before an AH date in the article, that the AH date shouldn't come first. I don't think s/he meant that "CE" should come before the year (as some people feel "AD" should come before the year; regarding AD, MoS says either before or after the year is acceptable; but "CE" should always follow the year). I guess that makes sense since this is English Wikipedia. I also think it makes sense to remove "CE" in this case because Islam did not even exist in BC or BCE times, but a reader would have to know that in order to know that 1502 (or whatever year it was) was CE and not BCE. I guess if there are no BC/BCE dates in the article, the reader can assume it is AD/CE, and if they click on the link to AH, they will certainly see that it is in AD/CE. (I suppose one could argue that for the utmost clarity, CE be used for the first date in the article.) I don't know if it is necessary to add "in the Islamic calendar" after "AH" since "AH" is linked. Corinne (talk) 01:55, 23 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
DYK for Carina Jaarnek
Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Hey, thanks, may be an example: sometimes there are wrong links in an article. I mostly do not delete them but try to make them invisible to the regular user by using <!--xxx--> which means I have to describe it in the comment line. So how would you describe that? --Tschips (talk) 04:30, 14 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. When you put in a line of code you do not want to show up you can make the code line a remark line. Rem for short. In fact, one system uses the word 'rem' to start a remark line so that line of code does not show up. Another name for it is 'comment'. On Wikipedia we call it an 'edit note'. So you could say "I remmed out the line" or "I commented out the line" or "I remarked out the line" or "I hid the line in an edit note". I just used rem'd as a contraction of remarked and as a slight expansion of rem. Jargon. Yep. In JavaScript to create a rem line you use // and if you want to create a rem section you use /* */ and put your remarks section between the two asterisks. In other systems you start a line with a semi-colon and that makes it a rem line. I think in VisualEditor if you hover on a circle with an exclamation point in it that you can read edit notes just by mouse hovering. Remarked out is simply shorthand for a much longer explanation of what you're accomplishing. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}02:52, 16 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Help Needed For Article On The Most Feared Writer In The World Today
Latest comment: 8 years ago15 comments4 people in discussion
Introduction
Hello Checkingfax, I am writing to you in order to enlist your help in creating an article for what I believe is one of the world’s most consequential, and feared, writers of the past decade—but whom no one knows who they are, if they are even a human being, and who may, or may not, be an intelligence agency, or even a computer program.
In searching for hours through Wikipedia’s Teahouse, and extensively studying the profiles and information relating to everyone there, I’ve come to the conclusion that you may very well be the only person in the world that can accomplish this feat.
The subject needing your article creation and editing abilities is Sorcha Faal (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com ), who since 2004 has written thousands of articles that have been republished in nearly every language and country in the world.
[Just go to Google Advanced Search (https://www.google.com/advanced_search ), type in Sorcha Faal as your search query, and then start picking languages to see this for your self.]
About fours years ago I did attempt to create a Sorcha Faal article on Wikipedia (US), but it was eventually delisted due to what I believe was a deliberate campaign of disinformation as exactly described by Glen Greenwald last year using secret documents provided to him by Edward Snowden…but which at the time I tried to create a Sorcha Faal article neither I, nor anyone else, knew about.
The value to society of conspiracy writers, such as Sorcha Faal, cannot be dismissed either, and as a major university research paper published last month by the PLOS (for Public Library of Science) attests to:
"...it is worthwhile to take a considered Devil’s advocate approach—there are numerous historical examples of exposed conspiracies and scandals, from Watergate to the recent revelations on the sheer scale of spying on the online activity of citizens by their own governments. It would be unfair then to simply dismiss all allegation of conspiracy as paranoid where in some instances it is demonstrably not so. There is also merit to charges that vested interests can distort and confuse public perception..."
Simply put, the global consequence of Sorcha Faal cannot be denied—with even China’s official government newspaper People's Daily in 2011 naming one of Sorcha Faal’s articles as being in their top 10 list of conspiracy stories for 2010.
During the past few weeks too, a Sorcha Faal article has been consuming Russia to such an extent that nearly every major media publication, and television program, have been commenting and writing about it—including a Sputnik (news agency) reporter questioning the US Pentagon about it.
Also just this past week, FactCheck.org wrote an extensive article debunking one of Sorcha Faal’s reports that went viral throughout the world, especially the Middle East:
Back in 2010, a Sorcha Faal article ( http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1322.htm ) alleging that the Haiti earthquake was caused by an American earthquake weapon was even citied by Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez as evidence that this really happened.
In 2009, WorldNetDaily even reported that the US Department of Homeland used Sorcha Faal articles when they created a “right wing” terror list—and Mother Jones (magazine) had their reporters contact the Russian embassy in Washington D.C. about a Sorcha Faal article too.
As of this moment, without Sorcha Faal having a Wikipedia article this very consequential, feared, and global author is being relegated to the nether regions of the internet with only the “snarky point of view” RationalWiki website having one written that is riddled with inaccuracies and discrepancies that are too many to list.
The value of anonymous writers, such as Sorcha Faal, to human society can never be underestimated, and when efforts are made to silence them those of us whom are able to defend them should…especially when they have proven to be predictive:
On 28 June 2007, the Sisters in their report titled US Banking Collapse ‘Imminent’ Warns French Banking Giant gave you a nearly one and a half years warning about the 2008 global market crash.
On 25 October 2008, the Sisters in their report titled Iranian Leader In Secret Meet With Obama At US Military Stronghold In Hawaii gave you a 7 year warning about the United States rapprochement with Iran this past week.
On 1 August 2014, the Sisters in their report titled India Shocks World, Joins Russia Against Obama Regime told you the truth that the Western invasion of Libya was related to the planned Gold Dinar, and which only this week a US State Department email released under court order confirmed was true.http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1988.htm
I believe you are one such defender and hope that you are able to achieve the goal of Wikipedia having a Sorcha Faal article included in it—after all, if this Sorcha Faal isn’t “notable” under Wikipedia standards, who else can possibly be?
And please remember…though no one knows how writers such as this Sorcha Faal do what they do, their predictive results are littered throughout our history and include:
The 2001 short lived US television program The Lone Gunmen (TV series) whose 4 March 2001 premier was about a plot to crash planes into the World Trade Center in New York…which happened for real 6 months later on 11 September 2001.
Conclusion
Is there “something” or “someone” who through the art of writing is able to pre-warn us about what is to come? Has a computer algorithm been created that can predict with a high percentage of accuracy what is to come? Is there now, and has there always been, some “secret” entity that always seeks to warn us about what is going to happen?
I don’t know the answer to these questions…but I do feel that this Sorcha Faal is maybe one of them.
Hi Picomtn. It takes precisely 4 days to the second for your auto-confirmed status to gel.
Your semi-protected-edit-requests, even if not put in to the article, should still count towards your 10 edits AFAIK.
I notice you use crooked quote marks. Wikipedia prefers straight quote marks (and straight apostrophes). Can you do that going forward? I do not have a script to fix them retroactively and it is a PITA to replace them manually.
As soon as your account gels you can create a Draft article in the Draft namespace. Be sure not to junk it up because there are page watchers who will delete your Draft if it contains copyrighted material or unsourced material. The draft name should be: Draft:Sorcha Faal
Hi Picomtn. Maybe I misspoke. You can probably start the Draft now just by logging in and clicking on the redlink above.
Some hints: Titles and sections do not go in Title Case (unless they are proper nouns). The King is an exception. Put the draft into your own words. Copy/paste or close paraphrasing is not permitted on Wikipedia. Also, use a Wiki voice. Sources must be reliable, not Blogs, other Wikis, Wikipedia, vanity press books, IMDB, FaceBook, etc. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}22:02, 16 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
OK, I've started on the draft and you can view it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sorcha_Faal When you read through what I've done so far you'll notice that I don't know how to link in PDF documents, your help would be appreciated with this. Please make any and all changes you need to make and let me know what else I can do as I work on this project. And the exact structure of how to do this article would be helpful for me to know too if you'd be so kind. Thank youPicomtn (talk) 14:12, 17 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I tried doing the notification thing you told me to do but I guess I did it wrong. Sorry. Anyway, I've done more work on the page and left you a message on the talk page. ThanksPicomtn (talk) 12:46, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Picomtn: Assuming that you mean this edit, the problem is that you began every template with {{tlx| instead of {{ - the {{tlx}} template creates a link to a template, it does not invoke the template that you are linking. It's used for demonstrations of template usage, not to activate a template. Click the "edit" link for this section, and have a look at how I formatted this post, particularly the bit before the word "Assuming" near the start. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:23, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for trying to clear things up @Redrose64: but I can't stress enough to you that for people like me that are new to this process you might as well be speaking a foreign language as none of it is understandable to me.Picomtn (talk) 12:24, 21 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Picomtn. Well somehow you found the template of "replyto" which is an alias to the master template of "reply to". Click here to see the other aliases for "reply to": Template:Reply to#Redirects
All "reply to" aliases, or the "reply to" template itself perform the same exact ping. In fact ones of its aliases is "ping".
In your previous ping attempts you added "tlx" before the ping template name. "tlx" is a demonstration template that allows us to show you templates without making the curly braces disappear during the demonstration. Click here to see what the "tlx" template does: {{tlx}}
Stylistically I do not like the "reply to" template (or its aliases) because they put an "@" sign in front of each ping. I find these distracting when they are inline. I find the "u" template and its aliases to be cleaner looking. But, you can only ping one user with the "u" series while you can ping up to seven users in one template using the "reply to" template series. "u" is an alias for the master template which is actually "user link". So, you could use {{user link|Checkingfax}} to ping me or you could use {{u|Checkingfax}} and they do the exact same thing. Read about it here: Template:User link#Example
You can also ping a single user just by doing this: [[User:Redrose64]] (with the four square brackets and the colon). I never do this for some reason. I always use the "u" template when I can, but knowing it is limited to a one user ping. You can use multiple "u" templates to ping multiple users at once.
You MUST sign your post with tildes to make your ping go live. You CANNOT sign it after the fact if you forget. You have to create a subsequent ping/sign to create a new ping in that case. Also, if you make a typo in the ping, and save the typo, you CANNOT fix the typo and save it to fix the ping. You have to set a new ping and sign it. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}22:53, 21 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
BRD
Latest comment: 8 years ago10 comments2 people in discussion
Your revert of my edit violates BRD: the appropriate thing to do was to start a discussion on the talk page, not to re-revert. I currently have access only to mobile, so making a proper talk-page discussion is hard and will have to wait until later. --JBL (talk) 14:44, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Joel B. Lewis. I reverted. I did not re-revert. You are at 1RR. I let your previous revert go. This time I did not. In both cases you edited nothing, but you could have. The article needs more background and info on Cecile Richards. It also needs more info on Planned Parenthood Global. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}14:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I repeat my comment here, edited to suit your wording preferences:
"Your revert of my revert violates BRD: the appropriate thing to do was to start a discussion on the talk page, not to restore your edit."
Your response here is totally unresponsive to the obviously correct point I was making. Also, obviously, I cannot rewrite your edit because of 1-RR. Please revert yourself. And I will shortly begin a discussion on the talk page, as I promised earlier (but which you should have done yourself). --JBL (talk) 15:54, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Joel B. Lewis. Please show me a Diff that makes it clear that it is safe to keep that section in place. The drop dead date is January 27, 2015. Cheers! PS: You two really need to leave the snark out of your edit summaries. It is so boorish. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}16:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Also "show me the diff" christ why didn't you check yourself before blanking a lot of text? It took me two minutes: [9]. You're welcome. I await with bated breath your apologies for your BRD violations and disruptive editing. --JBL (talk) 16:12, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Joel B. Lewis. What is with all the drahmuh? "BRD violations", "blanking a lot of text". Jeepers. I rem'd out some possible copyright vio text while I investigated it. That is the prudent, and the required thing to do. In fact we are supposed to delete it and ask questions later. It can always be restored. Rem'ing it out just makes the resto a little easier.
The drama is caused by your unwarranted revert to restore content that made the article worse, your disregard for BRD, your passive-agressive behavior, and now your disruptive removal of content. Further, your substantive position is obviously wrong: since the text is in Wikipedia on January 25, 2015, it cannot be a copyright violation of something that was published on January 27, 2015. It does not matter when before that point it was added to Wikipedia. See arrow of time. You could have spent two minutes to investigate this yourself, but instead you have blanked a large, long-standing section of the article. Please revert your recent damaging edits, and participate in the discussion on the talk page. --JBL (talk) 17:26, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 8 years ago8 comments2 people in discussion
Hello Checkingfax. I see that you made constructive general edits to the Walmart article last month. I also noticed you're a host at the Wikipedia:Teahouse. As one of Walmart's representatives on Wikipedia, I'm wondering if you could take a look at a few suggested updates I've proposed. My original request was posted on the Walmart article Talk page. An editor fulfilled some of the requests, but not all. I also posted an updated request on the WikiProject Companies Talk page, but as no one has been able to get to these yet, I thought I might reach out. Here are the edits remaining:
Extended content
Introduction
Done
The sentence: "It has over 11,000 stores in 28 countries, under a total of 65 banners" is no longer accurate.
Walmart has over 11,000 stores in 27 countries, under a total of 72 banners.[1]
Done
If two inline citations are needed at the end of the first paragraph saying Walmart owns and operates Sam's Club, can we replace the 2010 annual report with the 2015 annual report[1] to make the references more current?
Retail rise to multinational status (1990–2005)
Done
The first sentence in this section has a "Citation needed" tag. To address this, I propose rewriting that sentence:
While it was the No. 3 retailer in the U.S., Walmart was more profitable than rivals Kmart and Sears by the late 1980s. By 1990, it became the largest U.S. retailer by revenue.[2]
Done
At the end of that paragraph, there is another "Citation needed" tag. We can rewrite the following sentence to eliminate redundancy and add a proper inline citation. Perhaps this would work:
Walmart stores opened throughout the rest of the country, with Vermont being the last state to get a store in 1995.[3]
Done
Operating divisions
The opening paragraph relies on the 2010 annual report, so is now outdated by five years. The following is the most accurate current description, based on the 2015 annual report:
The company offers various retail formats throughout these divisions, including supercenters, supermarkets, hypermarkets, warehouse clubs, cash-and-carry stores, home improvement, specialty electronics, restaurants, apparel stores, drugstores, convenience stores and digital retail.[1]
Done
Walmart U.S.
Revenue figures are five years old. To bring this up to date, the figures should say $288 billion, or 59.8 percent of total sales, for fiscal 2015.[4]
Done
Sam's Club
Again, the revenue figures are outdated. They should say Sam's Club's sales were $58 billion, or 12 percent, during fiscal 2015.[4]
Done
Corporate affairs
The reference to the 2010 annual report can be switched to the 2015 annual report, which echoes the earlier report's business model.[1]
Done
I propose adding mention of current CEO Doug McMillon after the second sentence of the Corporate affairs section:
Doug McMillon became Walmart's CEO on February 1, 2014. McMillon began his Walmart career in warehouses while in high school. He has also worked as the head of Sam's Club and Walmart International.[5]
Hi JLD at Walmart. All done. A couple of suggestions for next time:
Put the edits in the form of: replace-X with Y. The commentary attached directly to the edit is confusing. Put the commentary in a line above the proposed X → Y edit request. Make X and Y verbatim to your request. If you want to discuss the edit, make a separate section for the discussion. Use this template: {{NeedsDiscussion}} which will render this: Needs discussion
Put double quote marks around reference names.
Name all references (you did this: Bravo).
Once a ref has double quote marks you can put spaces in it. Helps with reading it. Like name=annrep looks weird, but name="annual report" is easier to assimilate. To include spaces you must use double quote marks.
Add wikilinks if possible, but only for the first utterance in the body.
Hello Checkingfax. Thank you for updating the Walmart page. Also, I appreciate the tips for future edit requests. I noticed you requested more citations for Doug McMillon. Is there anything missing from the Walmart article that needs a reference? Or is this in reference to the Doug McMillon entry? Thanks, JLD at Walmart (talk) 22:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Jenny, I thought McMillon deserved more than a passing mention but now realize he has a dedicated article to cover that. It seems like the Walmart article needs a lot more updating of minutia but as an outsider I do not know the details. Can you please verify my edits and suggest new ones that you feel are needed? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hello Checkingfax. Thank you for all your constructive edits and improvements to the Walmart page. I aim to make this Walmart article, in addition to other articles about the company, its brands and its people, among the best on Wikipedia by ensuring the articles are encyclopedic, neutral and verifiable. In doing so, I have been looking at areas of this article I think need work. Currently, I am working on drafting suggestions to address areas where the article's neutral point of view is compromised and where there is a lack of sourcing. There could also be a slight reorganization of some of the article's subheadings and added context surrounding issues. I will be posting details on the Walmart Talk page and I will be glad to ping you when those are ready. Thanks, JLD at Walmart (talk) 14:27, 23 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Jenny. OK. I'll be here when y'all are ready. If we change section names I like to keep the old ones on file with an {{anchor}} template or with an HTML
== <span id="Old section title name"></span> New section title name ==
tag string to avoid breaking any incoming parachute links. With over 6000 page views a day there is likely some parachuting. With the anchor template you can separate many alternate section title name versions with the pipe (the vertical bar) within one anchor template.
Remember to put the requests in a replace X with Y format. Assume I am going to do a copy/paste, then I will edit as needed. Don't ask me to edit up front as it gets too complicated. Although, we can discuss edits to the proposed copy after you put up a copy/paste version. But we will discuss in a separate section from the proposed edit section. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:38, 23 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hello Checkingfax. Your recommendations make a lot of sense. I will be sure to structure future requests like that. Speaking of which, I should have some additional proposed edits here soon. Thanks, JLD at Walmart (talk) 23:05, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Help With Edit Requests
Latest comment: 8 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Dear Corinne. Hmmm. Your Diff seems to be off a notch. The one you sent me to shows commas being removed and replaced by "in", and it shows " – " (non-breaking space/en dash/regular space) being removed and replaced by " – " (regular space/en dash/regular space). Both methods look the same to the reader but the last one is subject to corruption (the spaces could be lost). That's why I like the {{snds}} template (non-breaking space/en dash/non-breaking space) as it won't collapse or break. Even by the first method one of the spaces can get collapsed by a subsequent editor who is not in tune with the need for a space before and after the en dash in a date range like that one. Then in the 3rd edit they add commas back so there is comma and "in". Seems redundantly redundant. Go ahead and fix it. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}03:45, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Just now, I didn't go back into the revision history to review all the changes. I just went to the article and started changing the old no-break-space and spaced en-dash codes to the new templates you've given me. I went all the way through the article and made quite a few changes. Then, when I clicked on "Preview", I saw a red template warning at the top of the article that said there was more than one date-something and it would select the "last one" (whatever that means). I thought it might have been because I put the {{snds}} between the birth and death date (I also removed the commas after the years), so I changed it temporarily to the regular en-dash from below the edit window, and previewed, and still get the same warning. I thought maybe it was because there was a discrepancy in day-month-year and month-day-year formats, so I looked for those and couldn't find any. Can you tell me what is wrong, but just tell me if you find anything and how to fix it, so I can then save all the changes I've made and am waiting to save? Corinne (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Well, since I didn't hear from you, I just saved my edits. Just before I did that, I saw (in preview) a number of red error notices in the references. Can you take a look at them? Also, can you add the spaced en-dash at the beginning between the birth and death dates? I don't know what that date template error message was referring to. Corinne (talk) 18:56, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. No harm in saving the edits when you see those convenience warnings. I will dig in but it is probably a warning that there is a duplicate date parameter in a citation or in the infobox. If parameters are duplicated where only one is allowed, then it only parses the first one that is called out. I wish the error notice actually highlighted the errors within the code. The snds is a great little template for the birth/death date range.
I will analyze the red reference errors too, and hopefully be able to puzzle them out. They are usually easy, although a bit mundane to fix. I am getting very good at it, but I don't like it. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}20:28, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Redrose64 kindly fixed two citation errors where pp= was used instead of p=. Using for instance, pp=6 will return an error as it should be p=6. pp as you know stands for pages, and p stands for page. Fussy, eh? Something to be on the lookout for when you're microediting. I think one of my script tools incorporates finding those anomalies. I'll take notice going forward.
I added the {{snds}} template to the date range in the lead. As an aside, I believe that the info in parens there technically violates some MoS as being TMI (Too Much Information). Don't ask me where to find that rule
I tried to run the MOSNUMdate script but it was going to replace all your {{nbsp}} templates with regular spaces so I aborted the saving of the script work. Can you please install the MOSNUMdate script and run it each time before adding all the helpful nbsp templates? Cheers! PS: Check out the Diff for my edit: I ran WP:UCB and it fixed a citation. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:33, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
O.K. I will, since you say it's important. Now I have to find where you explained to me how to install it. I think I started the first steps but then saw some kind of warning that "this kind of script can harm your computer" or something like that, but if you say it is safe, I'll install it. Why is it important to run that script before adding the various space-templates? Corinne (talk) 00:55, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
O.K. I found where you told me about the MOSNUMdate script; it's on my talk page a few sections from the bottom. I toggled off the WikEd button and then saved the change. Is that right? (I also saw that same button at the upper right of my talk page in regular view.) Then I clicked on the link you provided to the information page about the script (your link was in bold). Then I clicked on the link in that article to the actual script page. There is a message in a pink box at the top that says, "Code that you insert on this page could contain malicious content capable of compromising your account. If you are unsure whether code you are adding to this page is safe, you can ask at the appropriate village pump. The code will be executed when previewing this page." This warning is the reason I didn't proceed before. It sounds scary. Corinne (talk) 01:05, 20 February 2016 (UTC) Do I really need to add it? You said something on my talk page about if I don't run it first, it will negate the addition of the space and en- and em-dash templates that I've added. Why? Corinne (talk) 01:07, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Unifying dates is a tedious task if done manually. Nearly impossible to get it all congruent. Consistent dates is I believe is technically one of the criteria for GA and FA but unenforced by the majority of reviewers.
The warning is boilerplate and can be ignored for this particular script installation.
If the script is run after you do all your nbsp templates then the script will remove all your nbsp templates. I have reported this to the script author but s/he is stonewalling me. I believe it ignores every other type of template on Wikipedia except for the specific {{nbsp}} one. I don't want to nuke your good work when I come along and run the MOSNUM dates script.
To install the script you paste it in to your User:Corinne/common.js page; save it; purge the page. Then you will have links on the left hand side of each article page. You have to disable wikEd each time you run the script. You can run the script, proceed with your normal editing, and then save every change at once if you wish. If you want to be extra cautios you can click on the "Changes" button in the edit window and review the changes to see if they look OK to you.
One more question before I install it. You just said I can "run the script, proceed with your normal editing, save every change at once if you wish". But I really like having WikEd enabled while I edit. The various shading colors seen in the edit window help me distinguish among file images and captions (green), references (gray), hidden notes (salmon), and regular text (black letters on a white background). Can I run the script first, save any changes regarding dates, then enable WikEd again to do the rest of my editing? Also, why don't you bring up this matter regarding the script negating the template somewhere? This is important. I've already spent a lot of time adding those space and en- and em-dash templates in many articles. Corinne (talk) 01:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Disable wikEd; run script; re-enable wikEd; proceed with editing; save editing all at once—or you can save the MOSNUM dates changes, then go back in and edit—it's your call. I do not want to get called out for making changes that are cosmetic only so I try to incorporate several edits along with script edits. I notified Ohconfucious a while back and again today. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:50, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. You only have to toggle wikEd off when you are ready to run the MOSNUM dates script. I forgot about the wikEd toggle button top right of page; never used it. Good catch. Immediately after using MOSNUM dates you can toggle wikEd back on if you wish. That is what I do. The work flow I do is: open the edit window → decide which date format to use after looking at prose and reference datestyles (I defer to prose) → toggle wikEd off → run MOSNUM dates → click on Changes button to see if MOSNUM dates changed anything I did not want it to → toggle wikEd on → proceed with my editing session → when complete, save my efforts. I actually run four tools during my editing session and the first tool (reFill or Checklinks) opens the edit window for me so that step is out of the way. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:43, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
If MOSNUM dates changed anything you did not want it to, can you put those things back the way they were right there in the edit window? So, you don't have to save right after you run MOSNUM dates. You can toggle WikEd back on and continue editing before saving, is that it? Corinne (talk) 01:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC) I just looked at the script on OhConfucius's page. Do I copy all of that onto the commons js page (you gave me a link)? Including the first few lines starting "This script..."? It's an entire page of code! Do I paste it right under the script I added earlier regarding duplicate links? Corinne (talk) 01:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. While MOSNUM dates has this issue it is less work to run MOSNUM dates then add the templates. The workflow can be: open edit window → toggle wikEd off → run MOSNUM dates → toggle wikEd on → add templates → edit page as desired → save edits. I like the text highlighting of wikEd too. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:58, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Yes, you can edit in the edit window after running MOSNUM dates then save your work. I usually find it easier to cancel the MOSNUM dates work and come back in. But if it's less work to edit it on the spot you can do that. Yep. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}02:01, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, Checkingfax -- I did it! I copied and pasted the script into my common js page, but I don't know where the reload button is for Chrome. I left a question at User talk:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates#Reload button because I didn't want to bother you again, but if you can tell me that would be nice. Thanks. Corinne (talk) 04:16, 20 February 2016 (UTC) I hope I haven't exhausted your patience with all my questions. If I have, I apologize. Corinne (talk) 04:33, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. No worries. In Google Chrome up top to the left of the address bar there is a circle with an arrow facing clockwise. That is the Reload this page button. If you hover your mouse on it a tool tip will say that. Just click on that button to reload the page. That will Refresh the page. You only have to do this once after installing a script, or maybe not at all. The two date formats I use are ALL dates to dmy and ALL dates to mdy. Once or twice I used Expand all dates. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}08:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Besides the |pp= vs |p= anomaly (the remainder of which I have also fixed), there was one instance of {{cite book}} where |year= was given twice. It's a general rule of templates that any named parameter can only be used once, so I used |origyear= for the earlier of the two, and the sum of my changes is this. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:30, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
More on "Code that you insert on this page could contain malicious content ..." - it comes from MediaWiki:Jswarning and is displayed at the top of all JavaScript pages, regardless of their content - even empty ones, which by definition do nothing and so must be harmless. This message causes more unjustified worry than anything else in Wikipedia. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:54, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Forget this. I just looked at the edit linked where it said, above, "the sum of my edits is this"; I didn't see later edits until a few minutes ago changing "pp" to "p". Corinne (talk) 17:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Could someone tell me whether it is too late to click on the Reload button? I saved the MOSNUM date script to my common js page yesterday. If it is not too late, should I have that common js page open? If it is too late, do I have to repeat the whole process of saving the script to the common js page again? Corinne (talk) 16:10, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. You are good to go. No need to redo the installation of MOSNUM dates. Do you have the date links in your lefthand set of links now? If not, go to your common.js page and do the reload button push. Do it while viewing the page in viewing mode, not while in editing mode. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}19:14, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
(2) I tried it out when editing Gonçalo Nicau today. I toggled WikEd off, clicked "All dates dmy" (either because I saw a template that said dmy or a date in the dmy format) – I assume you click on the "All dates..." with the format that you want in the article, right? – but the only thing that got highlighted was that template at the beginning of the article saying to use dmy format, and "January 2016" was being changed to "February 2016". Since I didn't think that had to change (does it?), I cancelled the edit, got out of the edit window, toggled WikEd back on, and continued editing. I guess all dates in the article were already dmy, but what do I do in the future when I do see dates that need changing, or just other edits that need to be made? Do I let that change (for example, "January 2016" to "February 2016" in the template that specifies which date format to use in the article) go forward along with the other edits I will be making to dates or other things? Corinne (talk) 21:46, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Yes, the links will only be there when you are in edit mode since that is the only time they can be utilized.
Yes, you pick the datestyle that you want in the article. It will convert all datestyles to the one you pick.
Sometimes the date for the template at the top (or bottom, or both) of the page is the only date that gets changed. This means all the other dates were solid. You can just toggle wikEd back on at that point and continue with your GOCE edits. The MOSNUM dates script will tidy up all dates for you and update the top (or bottom, or both) template—sometimes the template is at bottom of page—sometimes it is a top and bottom of page—or sometimes it is top of page, then just before the WP:LDR section of references since those are dated in a near clump. Let the script do the thinking and the grunt work for you. Push the Changes or Show changes button in the edit window to make sure MOSNUM dates has not made any unwanted changes before proceeding with your GOCE edits. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}06:17, 21 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Checkingfax, I just finished copy-editing Nic Case. I wanted to add the GOCE template to the talk page, with the WikiProject banner shell, but since this is a biography of a living person, I didn't want to hide the message about the importance of adhering to the biography of living persons guidelines, so I put the banner shell underneath the template that was already there. But now the yellow-orange box about WikiProject Biography appears above the phrase, "this article is of interest to the following projects". Is there any way (if it is desirable) to split the notice about the living persons guidelines from the yellow-orange WikiProject Biography box so that the latter ends up after the heading for the various projects? Corinne (talk) 17:33, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. I did not read this question yet, but in the interim Redrose64 more succinctly answered it anyway. Question for Redrose64: Can you update the documentation there to explain what the function of the 1= parameter is? Thank you for answering Corinne's question. I really appreciate your expert input.
Corinne, if you click on the link to the WikiProject banner shell template above you can see the optional parameters that you can use with the banner shell; parameters that I neglected to point out to you since I am not a frequent user of that particular template. I used the collapse parameter to nearly fully hide the templates for one of your recent requests and I think it looks cool, but I did fail to add the blp=yes parameter. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Addendum: Corinne and Redrose64. The WikiProject templates include many parameters. Many templates are not fully filled out by the "person" placing them. I put person in scare quotes because many of the templates are placed by bots and the bots do not fill them out fully. In fact, there is controversy about bots that sanitize existing WikiProject templates before the bot adds the banner shell template. Parameters like listas=, class=, importance=, etc. are important, IMHO. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:39, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Redrose64. Roger that. I put curly braces around "=" signs in templates frequently because of that issue. There is a user with the username of something like 7+6=13 and s/he cannot be pinged with a ping template unless you curly brace around the equal sign S/he must miss the majority of her pings. When I use the tlx template sometimes I have to use a lot of curly braces or the alternative workaround is to nest a nowiki tag within the tlx template if you want the template name to remain clickable. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
The parameters recognised by WikiProject templates are varied; there are five that are recognised by the majority - |category=|class=|importance=|listas=|small=. Here is the standard documentation for these:
class – valid values are fa, a, ga, b, c, start, stub, fl, list, na (case-insensitive). See the quality scale for details. Setting an explicit value of NA is rarely necessary; for this, either leave |class= blank or omit the parameter.
importance – valid values are: top, high, mid, low, na (case-insensitive). See the importance scale for details. Setting an explicit value of NA is rarely necessary; for this, either leave |importance= blank or omit the parameter.
listas – This parameter, which is the equivalent of the DEFAULTSORT sortkey that should be placed on all biographical articles, is a sortkey for the article talk page (e.g. for John Smith, use |listas=Smith, John so that the talk page will show up in the S's and not the J's of the various assessment and administrative categories). This is important because it is one source used by those who set DEFAULTSORT on the article; consider also setting the DEFAULTSORT for the article when setting this parameter. For more information about this, please see Wikipedia:Categorization of people § Ordering names in a category. If the article is using {{WikiProject banner shell}} then it is preferable to add |listas= to that template instead of a project banner template. Putting the parameter on more than one template is not required.
small – this parameter is no longer supported and can safely be removed from the template.
category – set |category=no if, and only if, a banner is being used for demonstration or testing purposes, to prevent unnecessary or undesirable categorization. Otherwise, omit this parameter.
With the possible exception of |category=, none of these is recognised by all WikiProject templates. As shown in the documentation, |listas= is only needed once per page; in addition to that, there are a lot of WikiProjects that don't recognise |importance=, {{WikiProject Women}} for example; |small= is rarely used; and |category= hardly ever; so the only one that is used in the majority of cases is |class=. This one only needs filling in if the talk page is that of an article or disambiguation page - for all other pages, including redirects, it's set automatically by the code inside the WikiProject template.
It is not a crime to omit any or all of the parameters recognised by a WikiProject template. If you don't know the correct value to use, it's safer to omit the parameter than to guess. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:20, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Redrose64. Thank you for that. I do not fill out very many of those templates and to be honest the one I probably forget is the listas one. Normally what I do is go to the actual template docs and review the supported parameters for each WikiProject template and fill it out as best I can. if I am in a hurry I just lay down a bare template. I recently saw a dustup on a bot owners page where s/he was having feet held to fire for repeatedly sanitizing WikiProject templates prior to implementing the banner shell template by bot. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:41, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oh, I forgot to mention that besides those WikiProjects that don't recognise |importance=, there are several that don't recognise |class=, such as {{WikiProject Accessibility}}. Most of these don't recognise |importance= either; I can't think of any examples that recognise |importance= and not |class=, but there are bound to be some. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
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In Hadrian, I had seen a lot of instances of "page" in the references, but some were "p." (and "pp." for plural), so I started changing them to the abbreviations. Then I thought I'd ask him/her which s/he preferred, and s/he said "page". Before I go in and change them all to "page" and "pages", I thought I'd ask if you know whether there is a preferred style, one that would be looked at in a GA or FA review. Corinne (talk) 15:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. In references, if editing within a {{cite book}} template use: page=, at=, or pages=. I have never used at=
page= will display as p. and pages= will display as pp.
there is a parameter you can add called nopp=
if used, set nopp= to "yes" to suppress the "p." or "pp." that is displayed before page numbers (e.g.- nopp=yes)
be sure to put a vertical bar ("|") before and after the nopp= parameter (my legacy jargon for the vertical bar is "pipe")
when working with citation templates, any parameter within a reference (the part preceding the equal sign) must be in lower case (e.g.- use nopp=, not Nopp=—use page=, not Page=)
if you are working within plain text references (references that do not use the cite book template) then go straight to p. or pp.
UPDATE: Hi Corinne. I wanted to know what the at= parameter did within the cite book template so I created a test here: User:Checkingfax/sandbox#Testing cite book template. I also tested page= and pages=. By the way, a citation template can only include one of the page type parameters; using more than one will create a red error down in the references section. For instance, if you use at=, then you cannot also use page= or pages=, and if you use page= you cannot also use pages= or at=. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:09, 24 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, Checkingfax. This is interesting and helpful. Though you did not say it directly, I gather that "p." or "pp." is preferable to "page" or "pages" when "working with plain text references". Corinne (talk) 00:41, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
It is not true that "if you use at=, then you cannot also use page= or pages=, and if you use page= you cannot also use pages= or at=". Assuming that you mean error messages containing "defined multiple times with different content", this error is thrown if you use named references, and there are two with the same name but their contents differ in any way at all. For example, if a page has
Some text.<ref name=AboutEverything>{{cite book |title=A Book About Everything ... |page=12 }}</ref> Some more text.<ref name=AboutEverything>{{cite book |title=A Book About Everything ... |pages=34-56 }}</ref>
that's a problem because you have given two different references the same name. They differ only in the page numbers, but that's unimportant - they could have differed in something as small as the inclusion or omission of a comma. To avoid this when the text of the refs needs to differ, either omit the ref names entirely:
Some text.<ref>{{cite book |title=A Book About Everything ... |page=12 }}</ref> Some more text.<ref>{{cite book |title=A Book About Everything ... |pages=34-56 }}</ref>
or make sure that ref names are distinct - use a different one for each different ref:
Some text.<ref name=AboutEverything12>{{cite book |title=A Book About Everything ... |page=12 }}</ref> Some more text.<ref name=AboutEverything3456>{{cite book |title=A Book About Everything ... |pages=34-56 }}</ref>
It is rarely necessary to use |nopp=. I have a number of books without page numbers, but which do have other means of identifying a place within the book, such as this one:
Mitchell, Victor E.; Smith, Keith (January 2000). Paddington to Ealing. Western Main Lines. Midhurst: Middleton Press. ISBN1-901706-37-0.
Instead of page numbers, it has captioned photographs, with Arabic numbers; and maps, with Roman numbers. Since I need to omit the "p." or "pp." prefix in both cases, I wouldn't use |page= at all - I would use |at= for this work, as in |at=fig. 12 or |at=map III
There is nothing in the FA or GA criteria that prefers the use of "page"/"pages" over "p."/"pp." or vice versa. The FA criteria require that references be consistent - that is, if an article uses "page"/"pages" throughout, any new reference must use either "page" or "pages" and not "p." or "pp.". The GA criteria are more lenient - consistency is not required.
Hi Corinne. I intended for this: "...go straight to p. or pp." to mean that in plain text references there is no rendering of your input so you should therefore "go straight to p. or pp.", as plain text references are WYSIWYG; the system will not alter their appearance.
Since cite book renders page and pages to p. or pp., I assume it is an accepted Wikipedia MoS. Cheers! PS: I think you're missing one double quote mark in your reply above. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:57, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Redrose64. What I am trying to convey is that with the templated references instances of page= or pages= will render in the references section as p. or pp. as seen here: User:Checkingfax/sandbox#Testing cite book template. You can also see some at= and page= errors there. Add some samples and commentary over there to assist. Also, I am trying to convey that plain text references render in the references section as WYSIWYG. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:33, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oh, I see. Yes, these three parameters are mutually exclusive in the same instance of a template, and intentionally so - their purpose is to identify a point in a work, and to say |page=12 as well as |pages=34-35 leaves the reader wondering "well, is it on page 12, or on pages 34 to 35?". --Redrose64 (talk) 01:50, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thank you both for all the information. Checkingfax, I saw that sentence, the one of which you repeated part, just above, and I understood what you meant (but thank you anyway for the further explanation); I had just wondered if "page" and "pages" were preferred over the abbreviations. Redrose64 said neither is preferred; they've just got to be consistent. So, since Cerme prefers the words, that means I should go back to Hadrian and change the "p." and "pp." I had put in back to "page" and "pages". Corinne (talk) 01:21, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
There is a guideline, WP:CITEVAR, which basically says that if an article is already consistent (such as in the use of "page"/"pages") it should be discussed before altering to another form (such as "p."/"pp."). --Redrose64 (talk) 01:28, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I don't know if an article can use both the cite book templates and the regular references. If so, and all the "page" and "pages" in the "cite book" templates render as the abbreviations, then, if the full words are used in the regular references, won't there necessarily be inconsistency? Corinne (talk) 01:44, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Dear Corinne. Yep. You are correct. I just double checked and Hadrian uses both citation templates (e.g.- cite book) and plain text templates, so since cite book is used then there will be inconsistency in the references section if the plain text refs spell out page and pages instead of using p. and pp. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:57, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Redrose64 Thank you, but when I copy-edit articles, one of the things I look for is consistency. If I see inconsistency, I try to determine the best style to use and make them all consistent. In this case, I saw both "page"/"pages" and "p."/"pp.", so I had started to change them all to the abbreviations. When I began seeing more instances of "page"/"pages", I stopped changing them to ask the main editor which style s/he preferred; s/he responded that s/he preferred the words written out. Before I changed the few instances of "p."/"pp." back to "page"/"pages", I thought I'd make sure the abbreviations were not the preferred style in the eyes of reviewers, and I just learned from you that both are acceptable. Corinne (talk) 01:49, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Yes, you may mix templates and plain-text refs in the same article - unless you're trying for FA, in which case consistency means that you should template all of them or none. But it's good practice before making any major changes to discuss it first. --Redrose64 (talk) 01:51, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
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I copy-edited History of Baden-Württemberg a few months ago, and I was just looking at this edit. After seeing several instances of "recognise" and "favourable" I was about to change it back (to "favour") with an edit summary saying the article was written in British English when I decided to look at the date style format used in the article, and to my dismay I found quite a few instances of both British and American dates (don't know how I missed that earlier). I'm wondering if you could help determine which style of English should be used in this article. Corinne (talk) 01:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. The original author (an I.P.) picked British style English here, including neighbourhood, favours, quarrelled, centred, favourite, succeesor, illustre, connexion, and modelled. You can paste that permalink in to your edit summary (use edit-source to capture it). Or you can just reference the version which is 395680. Wow, that article was transcribed from the online version of a 1911 encyclopedia way back in 2002, shortly after Wikipedia launched.
I was just looking at this edit to History of Baden-Württemberg, and I wondered why the editor removed the link to Baden-Württemberg, which I believe is another article on the city or area (whatever it is). Are links permitted in the bold text at the beginning of an article? I'm just curious: why is the phrase "history of Baden-Württemberg" in bold? Is the subject of an article always put in boldface type like this? Corinne (talk) 20:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. What the redlinked editor did here is totally correct. However, the next use of Baden-Württemberg should be wikilinked. Wikiinks are not permitted in the bold text at the beginning of the article. The subject of an article is always supposed to be in bold, but only in a lead sentence.
The title of the article is supposed to be bolded in its first use
It is best if the bolding is early and verbatim
If a verbatim utterance of the title is not possible in the lead then you have to get creative and bold the essence, or in worst case bold some disjointed words that complete the title
Better, yet, rewrite the lead sentence so you can bold the page title verbatim (not always possible)
The bolding cannot be wikilinked
The next use of the title should be wikilinked or it should be wikilinked in snippets
For instance, if you have the page title of New flamenco, you bold the first use as New flamenco if it leads the the lead sentence, or as new flamenco if it is used inline (but do not wikilink it). Then later in the article, or even in the lead, you want to wikilink new flamenco. If wikilinked in the lead, then you are again allowed to wikilink it in the body of the article (but you do not bold it again).
Synonyms for the title are also bolded in the lead. Sometimes editors also bold title synonyms in the body that did not appear in the lead.
If I recall correctly (IIRC), this article: Umpqua Community College shooting had the lead sentence of: A shooting occurred on October 15,20015 at the Umpqua Community College {without any of the required bolding}. There was no decent way to bold the title, and it was completely unbolded, so I changed it to: The Umpqua Community College shooting occurred on October 1, 2015, at the UCC campus near Roseburg, Oregon, United States. This was an imperfect solution but bolding it made the lead pop better and put it in to compliance with the Wikipedia house standard. My effort was reverted several times until finally the reversions stopped. That page is/was controversial and has some serious hall monitors. On its first day, the article got like 90,000 page hits. Now it is down to a few a day. The page nannies acted like every change on the page was like on hallowed ground Even with citations it was hard to get the smallest detail to pass by the gauntlet of hall monitors. Some editors were wikilinking the spelled out version of the college so that is why I also added the wikilinked UCC version.
Why do I still have this watchlisted? I don't know. Things tend to hang around for awhile. But, since I happened to notice this after satisfying my curiosity about what wisdom Rose would be offering here, I'll comment as one of the more active participants to the named article. Checkingfax, I don't think I was one of those reverting your bolding change, but if people were repeatedly reverting you that means that you were a combatant in an edit war, which violates policy as you know. It means you could never be bothered to start a talk page discussion on the question. Reviewing the article's history, I see you doing a lot of that there, and it seems reasonable to presume that's commonplace for you. I'd suggest you review WP:EW and in particular the last sentence of the first paragraph, before you point critical fingers at others for being "hall monitors" on an article. ―Mandruss☎00:41, 27 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
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I was looking at the latest edit to English language and I saw this edit. I wonder whether the editor should be told about the templates for en- and em-dashes that you've told me about ({{ndash}}, {{snds}}, etc.). I also noticed (in the edit summary) that the editor was using a script or some kind of automatic editing tool. If that tool is adding the old code for a no-break space, etc., perhaps the tool should be updated. Corinne (talk) 00:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Yes, the editor is using a script called advisor.js that was built by User:Cameltrader (Bulgarian), an editor who has not edited in nearly 8 years. One would have to assume the script has not been updated since then either nor will it ever be. I'll go look.
I doubt if the editor who is using that script wants to insert templates by hand. It is tedious.
I noticed the advisor script in one instance changed a spaced-hyphen to a space/em-dash/space:
A deictic pronoun points to some person or object by identifying it relative to the speech situation — for example the pronoun I identifies the speaker, and the pronoun you, the addressee.
I had a long talk page dust-up with editor Walter Görlitz once over the use of this script and its insertion of spaces around the em dash.
There are two options. Use either unspaced em dashes or spaced en dashes consistently in an article.
furthermore:
Do not use spaces with em dashes.
For spaced ndash space, my template {{snds}} (that's an alias to a much longer template name) is, IMHO, superior to advisor.js's edit as my template does not allow the space to disappear that follows the en dash. The snds template also incorporates three HTML escape sequence codes into one tidy mnemonic template.
When I read the documentation for advisor.js it seems that it does not do mass changes like MOSNUM dates does; it is more of an auto-correct fix-as-you-go script. I do not feel advisor.js is worth using since it is buggy and apparently unmaintained. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}03:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Well, don't you think it would be a good idea to tell the editor all of this? Regarding your statement above about the "snds" template, that your template "does not allow the space to disappear that follows the en dash", if the en-dash appears at the end of a line, there won't be a space at the beginning of the next line, will there? In that case, wouldn't you want the space after the en-dash to disappear? I haven't seen it, but I thought I'd ask. Corinne (talk) 15:17, 27 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. I think an editor who has not edited in eight years is probably MIA. The space after the snds template will stay on the line above and will not create a hanging indent on the next line. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}15:24, 27 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
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I just made a few minor copy-edits to Saxon, but I saw that there was some inconsistency in the placement of "AD" – sometimes before the year(s) and sometimes after. MoS says either is acceptable, but the style should be consistent within an article. There are some editors who feel strongly that it should come before the year (because of what it means, "the year of our Lord..."), but I had always heard it with the year first, followed by "AD". I'm wondering whether I should just go ahead and make them consistent one way or the other, or try to gain a consensus on the article's talk page. Corinne (talk) 15:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Should I be changing all en-dashes (and em-dashes) that I see in articles, including those in date ranges, to the templates you have given me? – Corinne (talk) 02:57, 2 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. I change them, but it is your call. I used to worry about polluting citation templates like cite book because of possible Wikipedia:COinS pollution but recently that issue was proved to not be a valid concern. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}03:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Corinne: If you are changing the wrong dash (such as a hyphen or em-dash) to an en-dash, and an en-dash is correct in context (where the previous one was not), then OK. There are many ways of making dashes, and none of them are preferred over the others, so if you are merely changing one way of producing an en-dash into another way of representing the same dash, then please don't. Such edits are controversial, and persistence has led to sanctions. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:24, 2 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. When I am doing other edits to a page I like to confirm that the en dashes, spaced en dashes, unspaced em dashes, and non-breaking spaces are in the appropriate places per MOS:DASH. I cannot tell the difference between a hyphen and an en dash easily so I like to call them out with named templates. I prefer the templates over the HTML escape sequences because with the templates I can use four curly braces instead of an ampersand and a semi-colon. Also, with a template I can call up several HTML escape sequences at once with one tight template name. There are not usually a lot of them to verify in an article and nobody has complained much about my using templates to proof and harmonize them. Also, the templates add a space at the end of a spaced en dash so that way you know it will not get contracted by a future editor who does not know the spaced en dash MOS guidelines. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}22:58, 2 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thank you both, Redrose64 and Checkingfax, for your comments. However, I feel that you are to some extent contradicting each other, and I'd really like to be clear on this. Redrose64, I'm going to say something that I have never said to anyone before: I feel that you are being, here and earlier, a bit bossy with me, and I am starting not to appreciate your intruding in my discussions with Checkingfax. It's your tone that bothers me the most. I have nearly 20,000 edits, all copy-editing, and have had no problems with admins and virtually no problems with any editors regarding my copy-editing. If you think Checkingfax is guiding me incorrectly, please direct your corrections, criticisms, and warnings to him. Checkingfax, you had told me earlier, perhaps on my talk page, that one type of en-dash (I can't remember now if you were referring to the HTML way with the ampersand and semi-colon or the one that actually looks like an en-dash from the choices just below the edit window) gets "swallowed up" or "wiped out" in certain situations and that that was why you recommended using the templates. I have only recently started to use the templates, and only at Checkingfax's urging. I had used the ampersand-semi-colon no break space and then the en-dash that looks like an en-dash (in edit mode) for a long time (mainly just adding the no-break space before existing en-dashes and changing hyphens to en-dashes), and my impression/recollection is that you (Checkingfax) recommended changing these to the templates you have given me (and which I've saved in the Templates section of my useful things on my talk page). I'm trying to do the right thing as I edit, and now Redrose64 is telling me not to change them, and Checkingfax has been recommending that I change them to the templates with the curly brackets. Please tell me clearly what you recommend that I do as I edit articles. Personally, the templates make a lot of sense to me, but I await your instructions.
I know hyphens that should be spaced en-dashes have to be changed. Which format shall I use for the spaced en-dash (to make sure it breaks after the en-dash at the end of a line and not before the en-dash)?
Which format should I use if I see a hyphen that should be a non-spaced en-dash (such as between two years)?
If I see a spaced en-dash that should be an en-dash that has no "no-break space" before it, can I add the ampersand-semi-colon no-break space before it, or should I change it to the template that contains the no-break space? – Corinne (talk) 02:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Redrose64 I would like to apologize for my unnecessarily harsh comments to you, above. I think I was having a bad day. I realize all your comments are meant to be helpful. I just felt that you have not been very friendly to me; you've just been interjecting statements in my conversations with Checkingfax, with whom I have been having friendly discussions on various topics, and from whom I have been learning a lot. Normally, I don't mind someone joining in on a conversation, but your comments seem directed mainly to me, and seem mainly to be warning or correcting me, so not the most pleasant thing to read. I don't think you know me very well, and you seem not to realize that I often ask more experienced and/or knowledgeable editors for advice on various things that come up when I am editing. I feel I am a most conscientious copy-editor. My goal is to do the best copy-editing I can, follow MoS style guidelines, use the right formatting, templates, etc., learn what GA and FA reviewers look for, etc. I don't need to be warned about the consequences of doing something that I have not been doing, and you have done that twice recently, which is why, on a bad day, I got upset. Perhaps you didn't realize that Checkingfax has been a kind of mentor/teacher to me regarding templates (and many other things), and that I had just recently begun using those templates, but that is the case. If my use of the templates is wrong, then I believe Checkingfax's would be, too, but I was in the process of clarifying all this with Checkingfax when you issued your warning about sanctions – to me, when I believe it should have been expressed as advice to Checkingfax, or to both of us. A lot of times in discussions on talk pages, I have seen comments taken the wrong way because of the manner in which something was expressed. I think that has happened here. So, I should not have reacted so strongly to you, but you could also learn some thing from this. You are obviously extremely knowledgeable, especially about technical aspects of WP, but you come across (at least to me) as "the instructor" rather than as a friendly fellow editor, and I don't think you gave me credit (in your own mind, which was then conveyed in your tone/manner) for being a conscientious and experienced copy-editor who is always making an effort to learn (in this case from Checkingfax) in order to do an even better job. – Corinne (talk) 03:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Jesse Cook
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Jesse Arnaud Cook is a Canadian guitarist, composer, and producer. Widely considered one of the most influential figures in nuevo flamenco music, he incorporates elements of flamenco rumba, jazz and many forms of world music into his work. He is a Juno Award winner, Acoustic Guitar Player's Choice Award silver winner in the Flamenco Category, and a three-time winner of the Canadian Smooth Jazz award for Guitarist of the Year.
Before I go any further, perhaps I should say that I've been flamenco correspondent for Classical Guitar magazine for 24 years, and for Guitar International for 12 years before that.
I know many people regard Jesse as as flamenco guitarist, but that's because they only have a vague idea as to what Flamenco is. The blame lies mostly with Ottmar Liebert.
Briefly, Flamenco is the folk music of the Andalusian Gypsies, with a substantial non-Gypsy contribution also, and a less-substantial contribution from Latin America (estilos de ida y vuelta). All Flamenco may be classified by traditional styles, as the movements of Bach suites may be classified as minuets, sarabandes, courantes etc.
The Gypsy styles all fall broadly into the following forms: soleares, tientos, or seguiriyas; and the non-Gypsy styles are usually some form of fandango (with a few exceptions such as farruca). The rumba is only considered a flamenco form tangentially, and falls into the estilos de ida y vuelta category.
Corollary: albums consisting entirely of rumbas and/or vaguely-Spanish-sounding pieces are not Flamenco. Please note that I'm NOT saying they aren't good music. This includes all albums I've heard by Jesse Cook, and many others.
To those who disagree with me I say: listen to the album that started the whole thing, Fuente y caudal, which contains Paco de Lucía's big hit, the rumba Entre dos Aguas. The OTHER tracks are Flamenco!
You probably know Jesse's music better than I do: how many seguiriyas does he play? How many verdiales? And so on. That's what the originators of (Spanish) Nuevo Flamenco play, and it's what the second paragraph of the article defines. The critical sentence is "Although fused with other music, it was still based on the classic flamenco the artists had grown up with, a new form of the old."
Again, I'm not saying Jesse isn't a good musician.
Hi Paul Magnussen (with cc to Natalie.Desautels). Thank you for your reply. Nice to meet you. Do we need to edit Jesse Cook's article? If so, how?
As an aside, Natalie is working on a list of flamenco guitaristshere to try and turn the redlinksblue. Are there any redlinked artists on that list that you consider non-notable as flamenco guitarists? The list is already trimmed of redlinks here but Natalie is hoping to expand the list by turning the redlinked ones blue. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:59, 5 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
The following certainly do not belong:
Robby Krieger
Ottmar Liebert
Robert Michaels
Jonathan Richman
Lawson Rollins
Edward Stephenson
Teye
and I'm dubious about several others, particularly
Ronald Radford
Val Ramos
Estas Tonne
Most of them aren't primarily flamenco guitarists. Teye and Val Ramos can certainly play Flamenco, but do they really belong in a list that includes Sabicas and Paco de Lucía?
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I've been making some edits to Trajan, mostly in the Trajan#The Alimenta section, and I just noticed that, when looking at the section in regular view, when an en-dash ends at the end of a line, the next line appears slightly indented from the left margin. I don't think it should look like that. Is there anything you can do to tweak the snds template so that doesn't happen? – Corinne (talk) 02:55, 8 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
I just changed three in that section to the snd template, then saved. When I looked at it, I saw one still shows a slight indentation at the left margin. I wonder if it is because the en-dash follows a reference number. It's reference #157. Can you take a look at it? If the en-dashes in that section do not end at the end of a line, try increasing the resolution until at least one does. – Corinne (talk) 16:31, 8 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Using Ctrl + +, I increased the resolution in steps all the way up to 300% which is where the page started to overlap itself. I got some resolution steps to show en dashes that were at the end of a line but none of the end-line en dashes caused hanging indents of sentences starting on the next line.
I then used Ctrl + 0 (that is a zero, not a cap Oh) to return my screen back to default resolution.
I did notice 3 inline spaced hyphens and replaced them with snds, and I noticed one missing space after a reference and before the beginning of the next sentence as seen here.
Maybe in this case the solution is to move ref-157 to the end of the sentence, right before ref-158. Putting too many refs inline within a sentence is not the best form; usually best to hang them on the end of sentences, or better yet on the end of paragraphs. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}21:36, 8 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
2016 Art And Feminism Wikipedia Editathon @ CCA
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It was great editing with you! Hi Checkingfax, So glad you could participate in CCA's second Art+Feminism edit-a-thon this past weekend! Your Wikipedia expertise and especially the massive amount of follow-up work you've done, improving: articles, edits and the meetup page, after the event, has been so helpful! Thank you!
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Hello I was advised by User:Natalie.Desautels to write to you regarding Elsa Peretti's page. My main concern is to make the article compliant with WP's standards and have the alert tags removed. I was wondering if you could help out with this page or suggest how to go about improving it. Thank you very much. NPF-webmaster (talk) 09:42, 10 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi NPF-webmaster. Some of WP's "rules" are over the top
I am going to send you a COI notice on your Talk page that has a lot of links instructing you on the proper protocol to put any COI worries to bed. Please do not be offended by it.
How close are you to Elsa? Can you get a picture? Can you find out the true name of her alma mater? The full name. Can you get video? Audio? Signature? Examples of her work? They must be properly licensed. Natalie.Desautels is good at piercing that gauntlet.
The person placing maintenance tags is supposed to follow certain protocol before and after placing such tags. They are the only ones that can tell you exactly why they placed the tags. Otherwise it's just WP:Drive by tagging.
Please explain the precise meaning of your chosen WP username.
I am on an Art+Feminism push right now so helping Elsa is right up my alley! To that end I have already made some minor edits. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}10:40, 10 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Checkingfax and NPF-webmaster: Hello @Checkingfax: I imagine that the username NPF refers to the The Nando and Elsa PerettiFoundation (NaEPF). The best way I like to legally use photos and other media is, well, in this case I would have someone in the NPF who is protected under "person for hire" to upload photos to a Flickr account, mentioning "all rights waived", and then use Flinfo to get all the info and media automatically into Commons; this method is a great time saver. The license I prefer is "Public Domain Dedication (CC0)", which should be easy to ask for and procure for anyone close to Peretti. The direct Commons method is a possibility as well, although I find it more arduous ...more steps. If NPF-webmaster can upload to Flykr, I can do the rest. ...so many images in Google... best wishes, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 11:02, 10 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Checkingfax and Natalie.Desautels: Hello thanks to both of you. I wrote I was the webmaster of the Nando and Elsa Peretti Foundation on my user page when I created the account! NPF was because it was called Nando Peretti Foundation earlier. Natalie, regarding the photos, I'm hoping to receive shortly some material from, among others, Tiffany's. Can we email on this matter so you can tell me exactly the kind of license etc? Thanks! NPF-webmaster (talk) 11:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Checkingfax and NPF-webmaster: Hello @NPF-webmaster: I would be very pleased to help. Copyright issues seem complicated on the surface, but there is a way to greatly simplify them and satisfy Wikipedias' needs. Just write when you are ready and I will take the pleasure to send you a few tips on how to upload to Wikipedia Commons and get your embed code if need be. I think it would be nice to have a photo of the commemorative plaque I recently saw in the vitrine at Tiffany, NY; it was for celebrating their 25 year collaboration. In this instance, without actually embedding this photo in the article, you could link to it as a source to "prove" this 25 year association. Here you use the "file" code, not the "page" code, but more on that when you are ready. It's really not very hard. all my very best, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 11:09, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Checkingfax: Regarding your revert of the sentence: "In 2000 Elsa Peretti inspired her father Nando to create a charitable foundation called the Nando Peretti Foundation (NPF)." which I had reverted to the correct version: "In 2000 Elsa Peretti established a charitable foundation called The Nando Peretti Foundation.". As you know I am writing on behalf of the Foundation, and therefore rest assured I know quite well when and by whom it was founded!! If you still need to be convinced, please know that Ferdinando Peretti died in 1977. The Foundation was founded by Elsa Peretti in 2000, in honour of her father. These are the kinds of mistakes in the edits of this page that far from being comical, are very frustrating to witness. Kindly revert the sentence to my correct version, thank you.NPF-webmaster (talk) 09:28, 4 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, NPF-webmaster. OK, I did not revert it, but I refactored it. Let me know what you think now. I believe I hit the sweet spot. Going forward, please try to include edit summaries. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}10:09, 4 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Checkingfax: Hello Checkingfax, just wondering if you think the two alerts left on the page can be deleted. They have been addressed fully in my opinion. If you think they can be removed, would you consider doing so yourself? Thanks. NPF-webmaster (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Natalie.Desautels. That is very thoughtful. You know I helped Casliber get Persoonia terminalis promoted to Good Article status and he pushed it through the process in 45-minutes. The guy is amazing. It took me 30 days to get Planned Parenthood there. Now, in the meantime with a wee bit of help from me, Casliber has gotten P. t. up to Featured Article status. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}15:34, 17 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, please don't template me, talk to me. As I have stated clearly, each {{cn}} has been added to items that are not verified by the Swedish Wikipedia. I have checked each Swedish Wikipedia article and each source therein. If you would like to do the same before providing me with an incorrect and templated warning in future, that would be great. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:35, 11 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Budapest
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Hi Corinne.I generally see that with publisher= or with works=, as done later in the reference. WP:Checklinks frequently delinks them but despite my inquiries the Checklinks developer has never explained his rationale to me. I will ask around. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}02:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Do not wikilink author= (or last=, or first=). Use the author-link= parameter instead. If no such parameter exists, try adding one, doing a preview, and see if it renders properly in the References section. That link I gave you is to the "citation" template. The "citation" template is a general stretch to fit citation template that adapts on the fly to the parameters you use with it. I just checked "cite book" and it does support an author-link= parameter. If you need more than one, you can go to author-link2, author-link3, author-link4, and so on. I have gone up to author12=, but I have never used author-link at all. Alternatively, you can start out with author-link1 and go from there. So on Budapest remove the four square brackets to delink the author name, but leave the author name there, then add an author-link= or author-link1= (plus a vertical bar to separate it) and then wikilink that one (I think). Maybe try it without wikilinking it and see if the cite book template wikilinks it automatically? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:18, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
A barnstar for you!
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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Dear Checkingfax,
Congratulations on being promoted to Veteran Editor IV!
(It seems we both reached this achievement just a few hours apart! )
You and I have not collaborated before, although I have very much admired the wonderful support you have extended to our mutual friend Natalie during the past year or so. I therefore wanted to celebrate your many excellent contributions and add that we are all very lucky to have you as a member of our community of editors. Thank you for everything you do in support of our encyclopedia.
With kindest regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook)10:11, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Frietjes. I do not know how to fix it. WP:Checklinks is an official user Gadget that has a pretty good record. However, in this edit Checklinks set 80 accessdates when its edit summary declared only 8. I always do a Changes run on each run of Checklinks and I noticed this bug so I reported it immediately to VPT here but I did not hear back yet. I did not report it to the developer (Dispenser) directly because s/he never reacts to direct reports from me and I thought VPT might fix it sooner than Dispenser would. I pinged Dispenser in this convo so now s/he knows. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}21:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Article
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And then you tag me as being in an edit war because I'm applying correct editing guidelines and template documentation to an article that's a pet project of yours and you don't like the edits? Please don't ask for help for your projects if you are not willing to accept it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:26, 17 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Walter Görlitz. I read your message above after I disruptive editing templated you. Let us go to the Michael Laucke talk page and discuss edits and reach a consensus on anything controversial. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}20:16, 17 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. I successfully promoted a couple and Northamerica1000 approved them for the holding area. I also voted Support on a few. The next three articles coming up from the holding area look pretty good. I wish you knew more about adding references so you could add more content to TAFI articles in addition to your spot-on TAFI copy-edits.
To start in baby steps if it is a URL you are using as a reference just put up a bare URL between ref tags and then somebody can fill the rest in later or you can use reFill or Reflinks to fill them in. There is no requirement for references to be filled in but it helps prevent "linkrot". So, a simple reference is just: <ref>http://www.website.com/folder/page.html</ref> Just hang it on the end of your contribution with no space between your contribution and the reference, and put any sentence or paragraph punctuation before the ref, not after it. If you get it wrong, a bot or another editor will fix it before long. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}08:18, 24 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
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The Special Barnstar
...Another to add to your more than well-deserved collection, this time for your coordination of the wonderful and immensely interesting Alexander Street Press, WP:ASP
Thank you for everything you do in support of our encyclopedia and your great spirit of kindness and generosity in doing so. Very best wishes, (avec admiration, toujours) Natalie Natalie.Desautels (talk) 14:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
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The greatest editor
With my thanks for your generous, gracious, kind help. You have been the single most helpful editor since I started editing on Wikipedia. I appreciate all your patient help, excellent suggestions, useful information, and answers to my many questions, all given with consistently good humor and patience. You make Wikipedia a fun and pleasant place in which to be a volunteer. – Corinne (talk) 17:38, 25 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Thank you once again for Help:Citation Style 1 displaying an amazing array of reference citation templates. I have tucked this interesting list away in my toolbox and intend to put these templates to good use. Although we mostly see newspapers, books and web citations, it's wonderful to now have more precise source reference templates at my fingertips. I totally concur with User:Corinne. You have definitely been the single most helpful editor since I started here. Indeed, you make Wikipedia a fun and pleasant environment in which to contribute. very best wishes, Natalie Natalie.Desautels (talk) 17:44, 26 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Banter
Hi Natalie.Desautels. I never turn down a fresh baked moist cookie (I do not care for the dry varieties). FYI these are the CS1 style approved citation templates. There are three or four more that are not CS1. CS1 has some guidelines that the other few do not fulfill. Thank you for the cookie. Nom nom. Cheers! PS: You, Corinne, and a core group of others make Wikipedia a fun place to edit. Y'all want the best for the encyclopedia and do not get mired in drahmuh or ego trips. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, Checkingfax. Do I detect a southern drawl there? I knew what an ego trip was, but clicked on the link just to see what was there. Why is the plural a red link? – Corinne (talk) 00:12, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Maybe ego trips is bad Engrish? Click on my link now. And, click on History. I am native San Francisco Bay Area and a lifetime resident (other than 4 months in Seattle tending to mom), but I have an Iowa drawl. Cheers! PS: Check out scale leaf, scale leaves, and the revision history of both. If ego trips should be deleted, let me know. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:40, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
UPDATE for Corinne. Definitions on Wiktionary are stronger if they have a Citation. There is a Citation tab for that. Two or three separate cited uses of the word is usually enough. Click on the Citation tab for scale leaf to see what I came up with there. Adding words to Wiktionary can be hard. There is a lengthy list of add requests. That is just the English request list. There are 4.5 million English words up already. I added hind quarters (as a form of hindquarters) the other day, but I want to cite its use before I forget. Hind quarters was on the request list. Most adds do not have cites, as far as I have observed. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:50, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
You're active on Wiktionary, too? ;) I looked. How is looking at scale leaf/scale leaves supposed to help me understand the red link at ego trips? Maybe it's a red link because hardly anybody says "ego trips". It's usually used in the singular. Rothorpe is also very active on Wiktionary. How do you go about finding sources for usages of a word? – Corinne (talk) 01:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Sorry for the brevity. I was combining thoughts in my answer.
I have about 100+ edits on Wiktionary with most being on the request page to clean it up. It was an unmaintained mess when I first viewed it so I got out the broom. It was simple, tedious work. I am not finished with it yet. It gets boring.
I wanted you to look at the scale leaf entry edit history to see how my entry looked when I created it and how it evolved with input from other editors. I still need to find a good image of a single leaf, up close (see the talk page). Casliber, a plant buff, promised to try to take one. The active editors on Wiktionary are very fussy about the formatting of an entry and they slaughtered my first go at scale leaf. I used the entry from leaf as a guide, incorporating useful elements from it. The anagrams were interesting
I wanted you to click on the link for ego trips again to see what pops up now, and to click on the History tab for its entry.
For scale leaf, I put it in double quote marks and did a Google search. Bing seems to discard double quote marks but Google honors them and does a more specific search for the intended phrase. I think I had to click on the "Books" link on Google to find actual uses of scale leaf. Bing probably has an Advanced search that honors phrase searching vs word searching.
As to why I chose to define scale leaf? It was used on the Persoonia terminalis article that I was contributing to and I thought it would be nifty to link its definition with a blue link instead of a redlink. Plus we are encouraged to use sister project links and interlanguage links in articles, but that is rarely done as far as I can tell.
I have over 1000 edits on WikiData. Those are tedious, but I do them. Mostly to offload official URLs so they can be linked back to infoboxes and the External links section of articles that I work on. I made my first vandalism report at WikiData the other day. The first admin said it was not vandalism but a 2nd one observed that a WikiData editor had changed the record name for "birth name" to "so and so, a Mexican government official is a donkey" (it was done in Spanish). It messed up the birth name record's name so when I tried to insert a birth name into a master record the birth name record could not be found by me. I was easily able to change the record name back (very easy on WikiDate). I did not know how to report the vandalism since Twinkle does not work over there so I went to the vandalism noticeboard instead. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:48, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Wow! You've been doing a lot of work. Thanks for the explanations. I remembered something I wanted to ask you about regarding the scale leaf entry. I was looking back at the edits, and I was curious about this edit. I wondered if the additional indentation (made with one colon) was necessary. Is that standard format for Wiktionary? The example sentence seemed indented more than was necessary. Also, you said you were looking for a close-up image of a scale leaf. I wonder if any of the images in Thuja occidentalis or Chamaecyparis lawsoniana would help. – Corinne (talk) 02:10, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. I do not have a big push on WikiData but I did play the WikiData Game a few times to push my edit count up to 500 when I was very near that personal milestone. The WikiData Game is not a lot of fun but it helps the project and is very easy to understand. Check it out. I was surprised the tasks in scripts that I could not read like Urdu or Kanji were still solvable for me by looking at the Wikipedia page associated with the Wikidata item. If it is a map, then it is a place. If the infobox has the image of a person then it is a person. One component of the WikiData game IIRC is to assign gender to items. That one is not always easy because so many names are gender neutral. IIRC, one game is to assign person, place, or thing to an item. The game and the database were both I believe designed by longtime Wikipedian and Wikimedian Magnus Manske[10].
As for the indent, :# made an indented number, whereas #: just created a hanging indent for the numbered item above it. If you look at the diff for each one you can scroll down the page of the diff and see the rendered page for each diff as you view the diff.
I will look at those leaves, but might have to defer to Casliber on them. Cheers! PS: I botched the indent here so I thought I would tell you an indent trick about {{outdent}} AKA {{od}}: I you count the number of colons you are outdenting under then your outdent will perfectly align with the topic you are outdenting from. Check the code here to see how I modified your outdent template by adding a pipe and the numeral 5. I became aware of it through a stern scolding like not doing it that way is doing it wrong. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:30, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Thanks to your poking I finally found the right page. It is called Cataphyll which is the scientific name for scale leaf. The page was created some time ago as evidenced by clicking on page information but the scale leaf redirect to it was only created on January 29 of this year. Thank you so much. The page is a hot mess but lots of info and images. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:49, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
First, Happy Easter! I'm not clear on why you added the "5" to the "od" template. Why wouldn't the od template just bring the margin out to the farthest left it can go? Isn't that where you would normally want the indentation to be? I don't understand why you have to count the colons and add the number to the template. Count which colons? the number used in the previous comment? – Corinne (talk) 19:16, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Happy Easter to you too! True Value Hardware is closed today, but Ace Hardware is open. I am fixing the front door here as it will not secure properly. I ordered some parts online from Ace last night and they are ready for pickup in the store today. Door tune-ups can be very technical, and this is a double door which compounds the complexity of getting everything lined up and secure.
Adding a numeral to the od or outdent template refines its use. Click on the blue outdent link in my previous comment to read up on the additional parameters for outdent and for its alias od.
Yes, you count the number of colons in the comment you are replying to; the comment directly above the outdent or od template.
Using a bare od or outdent template template does most of the work. It does the important part as you say by bringing the margin out to the farthest left it can go, but by adding a pipe and a numeral you can also get the right side of the outdent marker to precisely align with the leftmost part of the comment you are replying to.
Bantor was a typo, and thanks to you I have now fixed it. Interestingly Firefox does not have a clue about replacing bantor with banter—suggests: Barton, Cantor, and Bangor. I am now collecting a list of words that Firefox does false positives on and on words that Firefox does not have proper suggestions for. Can you help me by jotting down ones that you come across? Are you back on Firefox? Or was it Chrome that is your preference?
IIRC is chatspeak/shorthand for If I Recall Correctly. There used to be a helpful site called acronym.com but it is gone, AFAIK. The grammarians on Wikipedia will tell you that IRRC is an initialism, not an acronym. I found that out when categorizing redirect pages I create or come across. Jeepers: Firefox thinks initialism is a misspelling and suggests minimalism plus a couple of worthless options. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}19:59, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Before you used the word just now, I had never seen that word, "initialism". Perhaps "initialization"? What's wrong with that old-fashioned word, "abbreviation"? What's the difference between an "initialism" (if that is a word) and an acronym? Regarding Chrome or Firefox, I use only Chrome. I had to switch to Firefox temporarily about two months ago, and found I much prefer the type font and appearance of text in the edit window on Chrome to those in Firefox. The only thing I wish Chrome had was the ability to select the zoom percentage. It has only 100%, 110%, 125%, 150%, and 175% (and corresponding percentages below 100). I'd like to be able to select 120% or 140%, for example. – Corinne (talk) 20:39, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Corinne. Yes, initialism is a word, as is acronym (and abbreviation). The purist say that an initialism is an abbreviation that cannot be spoken easily whereas an acronym is one that can be spoken. By their reasoning:
Initialism: UTC, NAACP, FBI, US DHS, BRD, MPH, BTU, RN, USSR, YMCA (although I knew a foreign visitor who asked a friend to pick him up at the "Yimca Hotel"—when asked for the spelling he replied "y m c a"), YWCA, and so on
Acronym: NASCAR, POTUS, DOS, LASER, NATO, FEDEX, WYSIWYG, JPEG (pronounced J Peg), NASA, UNICEF, and so on
Abbreviation: Dr (for doctor or drive), Blvd, abbr, Sept, Xmas, dept, lb, kg, oz, and so on
Also, I believe the purist say an initialism has to be a near exact reference to the first letter of each word in the expanded version, whereas in an acronym portions of an expansion can be stitched together to make it speakable (like FEDEX).
I switched to Firefox because I needed to be able to copy and paste columns of text and Chrome will not do that. I am also finding out Firefox has more helpful bells and whistles whereas Chrome tries to be as sleek and minimalist as possible. Oh, two more percs for Firefox is that when an edit session fails to save you can go back to the edit and do the save again whereas with Chrome your edit is totally lost. The 2nd perc of Firefox is you can turn your computer off if things hang up and when you restart Firefox it will recover all the browser tabs you had open when your computer was turned off. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}21:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Apostrophe templates
Latest comment: 8 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Checkingfax, I thought I'd move the apostrophe template and bolding discussion out of the Planned Parenthood DYK nomination, since we it was starting to get in the way there.
I just took a look at the documentation for the various templates, and it appears that the {{`}} and {{'}} templates have been merged into the latter, which is now supposed to be used after both bold and italic (and presumably bold italic) text. According to the documentation, the {{'}} and {{'s}} work the same in terms of spacing (both are 0.1em wide), so I can't see any reason why they should not be used interchangeably. Whatever they used to be, the text says there is no longer any differentiation in their use following bold and italic text.
I do agree that the DYK guidelines should be updated to reflect these changes, rather than continue to ask for {{`}} or {{`s}} after bold and {{'}} or {{'s}} after bold italic, when the latter two can be used after both and the former two are now superseded. However, the DYK guidelines, WP:DYKSG#C7, show that the possessive portion is not supposed to be bolded or italicized. I fail to see anything in MOS:BOLD that would contradict this; indeed, it doesn't address hooks at all, and only refers to bolding in the context of articles, where its use is highly restricted. There don't seem to be any MOS guidelines for the main page.
This should be brought up at the DYK talk page: first, that there need to be changes to C7, and second, if you wish to argue for the change to extend beyond the template usage to whether the apostrophe-s should be in the same font as bold link before it (or even if it should be included in the link). Any change to the status quo (C7) should be discussed, so that the DYK community is aware of the issues and can say how it wishes hook formatting to be done going forward. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:21, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi BlueMoonset. Thank you for nudging the PP DYK along.
If you refactored the DYK, please put it back, as the other editor was modifying hooks with the {{'s}} template, so the discussion of how to use that template is germane to the PP hook discussion.
I am saddened that the main page, article space, and DYK all have a different MoS. It is not logical to my Vulcan mind. I noted on the Signpost that they were improperly using pull quotes and they replied "the Signpost has its own MoS and that is the way we do it". This came from the top. However, I note that the past two issues of the Signpost no longer improperly use pull quotes. There is hope for DYK and the main page. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}20:10, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Accessdate
Latest comment: 8 years ago16 comments3 people in discussion
Doc James. Read the dummy-edit that follows that edit for an explanation. Already reported to the developer and to Village Pump Technical. 13 days ago it laid down 80 dates instead of 8. LOL. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}12:49, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Doc James. With all due respect, books with URLs are not static. They are subject to link rot just like any other URL is. The four accessdate thing will be dealt with by the dev team. Have some patients. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}13:03, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Doc James. Yeah. The tool worked fine for years. Then 13 days ago it went bonkers so I reported it to Dev and VPT and it got better. Now it is bonkers again. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}13:12, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Have fixed the dead links using internet archives. Rather than tagging dead links it is nicer just to add an archive link IMO. I am not seeing errors from a lack of access dates. But you were saying these were soft errors so they do not show? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:17, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
If you cite a book but do not include a URL, do not include an accessdate.
If you cite a book and include a URL, do include an accessdate so the URL can be recovered easier if it rots out.
I always archive dead links but you asked me to stop on articles that you work on. We agreed that I would tag them as dead and then you could archive them. Cyberbot678 is doing a pretty good job of recovering dead links. Hitting about an 80% archive success rate (archiving to a live archive), so now I just tag all pages dead and let the bot find the archives. When you add archived versions do you add the archive date too? Archiving more than about five dead links by hand is tedious to do it right. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}13:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Okay will do going forwards :-)
Yes have added the archive dates. And yes it is tedious.
Hi Doc James. The tool WP:Checklinks by Dispenser automatically finds the dead links (with a very low rate of false positives) and lists all the page links on an output page with each link four different ways. The totally dead ones are tagged red and on the far left they have a deeper red portion. These are the ones that need to be archived.
At this point Checklinks becomes a helper if you choose to fix the dead links (otherwise if you save you changes it will just tag them as dead links). You have to proceed manually at this point, but Checklinks makes the archive process less tedious.
I have found starting at the BOTTOM of the Checklinks report is easiest, and work your way up.
Below each dead link there is a [+] sign to expand the details about the dead link.
To the right of each detail box there is a browser frame that shows you the dead links actual web page.
You go back to the left side of the screen and click on Wayback and now the browser frame shows you the Wayback page for the dead link. You RIGHT-CLICK (on a PC) on the Wayback year you want to check (I start with a year near the date of the dead link). Then you pick dates until you find a live archive (many are archives of 404 pages). Do you check to make the page you are archiving is not 404 or that it is germane and not an off-topic page? I used to pick the latest archive version and use that but then found by double checking that many archived versions are 404 or off-topic (worthless).
You copy the archive URL and memorize the archive date then go back to Checklinks and paste the data into the replacement text box in the germane dead link information area.
The format I use for pasting into the box is: |archive-url=paste the archive URL here|archive-date=type the archive URL here}}
I work my way up the Checklinks output page link by link (pressing the [+] next to each deep red link. As I pass an ACCESSDATE button I press it and enter an accessdate in the text box.
Then I go to the top of page and save the changes and a python script merges all edits into the article page. At this point there is cleanup of the archive links inserted, depending on the citation style they hang on. For curly brace citations you have to remove the two extra curlys that ended the existing citation template. If the archive link hangs on a plain link style citation you have to remove all curlys.
This process, although still tedious, is much easier and more uniform than finding and replacing dead links manually.
As Cyberpower678's bot gets more accurate will will just be able to run Checklinks, enter the accessdates for URLs, press the save changes button and let the cyber678bot find and insert the URLs (it finds ones that I cannot find, but it also posts 404 and off-topic archives too).
If Cyberpower678 and Dispenser were to directly join forces they would have a Mac Daddy tool for us. In summary, Checklinks is a semi-automated helper tool, or if done quickly it is totally automated. Or, there is a midpoint helper if it is used to quickly insert accessdates. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:15, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Actually I've already tried that and for reasons that are too long to type out, because I'm lazy and likely to lose power soon, we can't. That being said Cyberbot II 5a has been initiated over at WP:BRFA which will allow Cyberbot to check the links on it's own, and rescue them on the spot, or tag them if it can't. Also, since I am working in combination with the Community Tech Team on this, we are planning on creating an easy to use interface, for calling Cyberbot on specific articles, with specific user settable rules, as well as manage Cyberbot's internal DB. Theoretically it would be better than checklinks.—cyberpowerChat:Online00:20, 29 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Cyberpower678 (with cc to Doc James). Thank you for the speedy reply. Your signature here is causing my text highlighting in wikEd to show my typing here in all bold. What is causing that?
I do not understand what you meant by "Actually I've already tried that ...". Tried what? My post was long.
I am amazed that Cyberbot II has found archives that I could not. So, I have stopped using the dead link fixer helper within Checklinks at all—unless there are only a few dead links to archive.
What about the 404 (or non-germane) archived links that Cyberbot II inserts? One day, Cyberbot II missed 6 of 6. At least when I insert archives manually I can do a pre-check to make sure the link is not 404 and that it is a germane archive. Sometimes the archived version is a later version of the page needed. This is worthless What kind of power are you losing? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:41, 29 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
I've tried teaming up with Dispenser. Cyberbot is suffering from a mildly corrupt DB as a result of a bug with the Wayback API. The DB now contains some bad data. We are working on cleaning up the corruption. In short Cyberbot's accuracy should slowly be getting better soon. We are suffering from intermittent power failures.—cyberpowerChat:Online00:47, 29 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Cyberpower678 (with cc to Doc James). Thank you for another prompt reply. I really appreciate it. What is the issue with your custom signature?
Where is the power out? You mean at your place or at WMF?
I am looking forward to the improvements in Cyberbot.
I forgot to mention I really like the extra features that Checklinks encompasses like: choice to add accessdates to citations with URLs that are lacking them, fixing/adding square brackets to plain text citations, fixing page number parameter mismatches like pages=5 or page=345–401, running common fixes that repair wikitable issues and deprecated values (plus other common fixes), removing unneeded DEFAULTSORT:, and other fixes and I cannot recall off the top of my head. Checklinks really cleans things up that would be tedious for the average editor to address.
Currently, does Cyberbot just go after pages that are tagged with dead links by others? Or, does Cyberbot proactively find dead links in the wild? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:02, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Doc James. Checklinks no longer seems to be vexed about adding access-dates. Checklinks is an easy way to add access-dates: you run Checklinks, click on each "add accessdate" button, enter an access-date and work your way up or down the list (I work bottom to top because of the way Checklinks expands frames), and then go to the top of the page and save your changes. Preview things to make sure it has not done anything wrong, and then save your article page edits. To speed things up I copy the first access-date to my clipboard, then paste it in to the remaining ones that need access-dates. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}20:05, 31 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Doc James. The Checklinks results page tags all the articles that have URLs but are lacking accessdates. It does this by adding an Template:Button press button near each URL on the results page. You have to fill in the accessdates manually in a box, but then Checklinks merges them to hang on the proper link when you save your changes in Checklinks. After the Checklinks page is save, then your stand Diff/edit window opens up for the article, showing you the proposed changes. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}22:02, 31 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Tile edit requests
Latest comment: 8 years ago8 comments2 people in discussion
Hi! Just a heads up that I've revised my edit requests for Tile per your feedback. Your input was super helpful — several "lessons learned" I added to my personal manual of Wikipedia best practices. If you have a few minutes, I'd be so grateful to have you look over my requests again. Thank you for your help so far! Mary Gaulke (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Re-ping MaryGaulke PS: Space emdash not MoS compliant on Wikipedia: Use unspaced emdash, or spaced ndash (space ndash space). There are two easy templates to use: {{nsmdns}} and {{snds}} (one stands for no-space/emdash/no-space whereas the other stands for space/endash/space) You include the four curly braces. Do NOT put a space before or after the templates themselves or you will defeat the purpose of the emdash template anyway. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:22, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the note on emdashes, and yes! All copy-paste ready. I bolded "add"/"remove" for my remaining pending requests in the original ask. Mary Gaulke (talk) 15:23, 29 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, MaryGaulke. I just looked at it and the edit request is a hot mess. I cannot decipher what needs to be done.
Under "revise the lead" there is one line item marked as done, but you said the undone stuff would have a bold note, and there is no bolding for the group of requests. Are they all done?
It says things like Add, but not to where. It mentions the section, but not where in the section. The top, the middle, the bottom, weave it in? It implies adding something but not removing anything or adding to it. The references are not visible in the copy/paste request. I need the whole enchilada to make it easy.
I really need things in a "replace X" ... "with Y" format as I keep requesting. That looks something like this:
Replace:
Gen 2 of the Tile device has a volume of 90 decibels
With:
Gen 2 of the Tile device has a volume of 90 decibels,<ref name="TC Gen2">{{Cite web|title = Updated Tile Item Tracker Boasts Louder Ring, Find Your Phone Feature|url = http://social.techcrunch.com/2015/08/20/new-version-of-tile-item-tracker-boasts-louder-ring-find-your-phone-feature/|website = TechCrunch|accessdate = 2015-09-21|first = Lucas|last = Matney}}</ref> three times louder than Gen 1's volume.<ref>{{cite news|last1=Tweney|first1=Dylan|title=How Tile went from crowdfunding to 2M units sold in two years|url=http://venturebeat.com/2015/08/18/how-tile-went-from-crowdfunding-to-2m-units-sold-in-two-years/|accessdate=12 March 2016|work=VentureBeat|date=18 August 2015}}</ref> It also offers a "Find Your Phone" feature{{nsmdns}}users can double tap the "e" on their Tile device and if their phone is within 100 feet, it will start ringing.<ref name="TC Gen2"/> Tiles are 1.5 square inches and waterproof.<ref name="WSJ">{{cite news|last1=Kolodny|first1=Lora|title=Tile Picks Up $13 Million to Make Any Object Trackable|url=http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/10/01/tile-picks-up-13-million-to-make-any-object-trackable/|accessdate=12 March 2016|work=The Wall Street Journal|date=1 October 2014}}</ref>
This is offered as a separate add-on, but what does it hang on to:
Add: Tile has partnered with Blunt Umbrellas to create a "smart" umbrella that can be located through Tile when it gets lost.<ref>{{cite news|last1=Pelletiere|first1=Nicole|title='Smart' Umbrellas You Can't Lose|url=http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/smart-umbrellas-lose/story?id=26487930|accessdate=12 March 2016|work=ABC News|date=27 October 2014}}</ref>
*Revise the end of the "Function" section for clarity and detail, plus third-party sources. I recommend '''replacing''' "Tile hardware is useful for one year after activation of the Tile app, and then the hardware portion must be replaced." with:
**Tile's built-in batteries begin to wear out after one year of use. Through the company's ReTile program, Tile users are automatically reminded when it is time to replace their Tiles and can receive new Tiles at a reduced price.<ref name="ReadWrite">{{cite news|last1=Thomas|first1=Owen|title=Hardware As A Service: Tile Finds A Way To Keep Making Money|url=http://readwrite.com/2015/10/13/hardware-subscription-business-model|accessdate=12 March 2016|work=ReadWrite|date=13 October 2015}}</ref> The new Tile also arrives with a self-addressed stamped envelope that the user can use to send their old Tile back to the company to be recycled.<ref name="WSJ"/><ref>{{cite news|last1=Perez|first1=Sarah|title=Lost-Item Tracker Tile Rolls Out A Renewal Service Offering Early Adopters Discounted Replacements|url=http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/22/lost-item-tracker-tile-rolls-out-a-renewal-service/|accessdate=12 March 2016|work=TechCrunch|date=22 July 2015}}</ref>
Please provide X → Y copy/paste request that include the text and the references, and include what to replace or append to. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}02:37, 11 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, touching base. Would you still like to take a look at these edit requests, or would you prefer for me to take them elsewhere? Don't want to bug you but don't want to exclude you from the process either. Thanks! Mary Gaulke (talk) 16:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Disambiguation link notification for April 1
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Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Doug McMillon, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Semiautomatic and Safeway (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.
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Thank you for the informational message! I hope I'm doing this right. It was a pleasure meeting you today, and I'm sure I'll see you around the site. Loreen.Ruiz (talk) 02:37, 3 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Loreen.Ruiz. You are welcome. You are doing great. Perfect. I got your message. I will enjoy seeing you around the site too, but with 6,893,964 articles on the English Wikipedia it can be hard to bump into each other.
It is customary to reply to messages in the same place where you read the message, and the Wiki way is to indent your talk page reply to the message you are replying to (some editors use colon indent, some use asterisk indent). I always mess up the indent. If you do a paragraph break in your reply, you have to keep adding the indent colon. Replying where you see a message keeps everything in one place. The Wiki coders are working on a new system called Flow that will not require all this. You can also start a new message on your talk page, and ping others to it, or you can start a message on somebody else's talk page and ping others to the conversation as well. If you want to mention somebody and link to their user page but you do not want to ping them, you can use the {{noping}} template (e.g.- {{noping|Peteforsyth}}). It will render like this: Peteforsyth
Also, when you reply to a message, it is helpful to {{ping}} the person you are replying to or to ping the people that are included in the reply or message. In this case you were on my talk page so the ping to me is automatic. If you forget to ping somebody, you cannot add your ping after the fact; very frustrating. You have to append a new mini-message with a fresh ping. (and with a fresh four-tilde signature). Also, pings require a signature, and you cannot insert that after the fact either. I make this mistake almost daily! Flow will address this too. Certain editors do not want Flow! The ping template allows you to ping 7 users within one template. I find the {{u}} style ping template to be prettier, but it limits me to pinging one editor per template. Sometimes I use the {{grouping}} template. That one is weird because you put the first sentence of your message in the ping. Click on these blue links for each template to see their parameters. Ignore the tlx| that shows up in the source code: I am using that so I can illustrate the template to you without invoking it. If you ping somebody on their talk page, no harm will be done, and they will still receive the ping. Another thing I forget is that the ping template includes a trailing colon, whereas with the u template I have to add the desired punctuation. I was raised that the colon is for business letters and I feel it is too formal and not personal enough. I also dislike the leading @ sign the ping template generates—it is a legacy thing. Do an edit-source of my reply to you here, and you can see how I pinged you, how I indented, and how I linked to other editors without pinging them. If you want to ping a group and use one template, you can do it like this: {{ping|01Jape|EfficaciousEggplant|Bshahar}} (up to seven total per template, with up 50 pings in total per message—by using multiple templates within the message).
The Teahouse is a great place to ask questions because a lot of experienced editors have their eyeballs on incoming questions, and they all add their 2-cents to any questions and answers.
When doing research you may find the Wikipedia reference desk handy.
For real-time interaction you can start your own IRC channel for Nueva. There are also many existing Wikimedia IRC channels (note this list is hosted on Wikimedia, not on Wikipedia) that are topic oriented. Your IRC channel does not have to be registered or listed to be used for Wikipedia.
When you are logged in and you visit an article, Wikimedia page, help page, user page, talk page, etc. there is a small white star near the top of each page. Clicking on that white star will turn the little star blue and the page will be added to your Watchlist. I have 10,000 on mine. I do not suggest that many as the cleanup is tedious, although you can get pages off your watchlist by clicking on the blue star and turning it back to white, or you can edit your watchlist in various ways.
Here is my MoS tip for the day: Pick the spaced-endash or unspaced-emdash, and use one or the other consistently within an article. Both are tolerated, but for harmony one style should be picked throughout.
To launch your user page or to add to it, you might enjoy adding one of the nine various Tip-of-the-Day templates and you will automatically be served with a new, helpful Wikipedia tip each day. It is easy to add: Copy and paste the template code onto your user page (from edit source mode).
If you always Preview your edits on Wiki you can avoid a lot of unintended output. Consider using the #nueva hashtag in any of your Nueva related edits. I have added a lot of wikilinks to this reply, and hopefully they help you on your exciting Wikipedia journey. I hope I have not bored you. I apologize for any typos or grammar issues in this reply. Reply back if you spot any. See you around the Wikis. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:52, 3 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
DYK for Margareta Hallin
Latest comment: 8 years ago9 comments3 people in discussion
On 4 April 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Margareta Hallin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Margareta Hallin could have performed internationally, but decided to stay in her homeland instead? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Margareta Hallin. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Looking back at it, I don't think I did. I pinged a few people involved with the DYK nomination, but for some reason (stupid error, nothing nefarious) I forgot BabbaQ. Fram (talk) 06:55, 29 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Battle of the Mareth Line 2
Latest comment: 8 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion
I was just looking at the latest edits to Battle of the Mareth Line. There has been quite a bit of back-and-forth editing lately. I was just looking at the revision history and saw that one of my edits had been reverted a while back. I suppose I saw it then, but had forgotten about it. It's this edit. (Hope I formulated the diff correctly.) I prefer words to numbers, so had changed 4-1/2 to four and a half in the lead. It was reverted with an edit summary saying simply "Briteng". Can you tell me (a) what "Briteng" has to do with writing out a fraction or not, and (b) what you think of using a fraction, especially in a lead, and in an article which is not a science or math topic. – Corinne (talk) 01:39, 5 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I just saw that there is another section on this article above in which I asked the same question. (Feel free to combine the comments.) I'm still not clear whether the fraction (in numbers) should be there. – Corinne (talk) 01:41, 5 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. I will jump around. For percentages, I never use %, I always spell it out. For conversions, I spell out the first use of a unit in the body. For United States, I spell out the first use, then go to U.S., but if U.S. would be near say Soviet Union, I spell out United States so they have the same stature. I think for fractions, which I have never really run into, I would always spell them out. The only reason to abbreviate or truncate is to avoid redundant redundancy. I do not feel that applies to the occasional fraction.
Thanks, Checkingfax. What do you mean by "Ping me back"? This is on your talk page. I don't want to get into any arguments with military history buffs, but I would leave a comment on the article's talk page if there were something specific in MoS that would support using words instead of numbers (and I think there is; I'm too tired to look for it now). – Corinne (talk) 02:09, 5 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
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The userbox title
I noticed that you had a lot of userboxes on your userpage, and I couldn't resist giving you this award! How do you get those userboxes on your userpage? I tried to copy a 'this user is from earth' userbox from their page to my page, but it didn't work. Are the userboxes coprighted? Elsa Enchanted (talk) 17:53, 5 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hello, Elsa Enchanted. Everything on Wikipedia is copyrighted by the person who created it, even the words you just wrote to me are owned by you, but you have pre-licensed their reuse, as long as you are attributed.
To copy a userbox, the easiest way is to go into the edit-source mode on the page and copy the userbox template you want, including the four curly braces. Copy it to your clipboard.
Then, paste it onto your user page (from edit-source mode), and save the change.
Here is one to play with: {{User:The Raven's Apprentice/Userboxes/User UBXlove}}
There are many unlisted userboxes. If you see one, grab the template if you like it. You may have to modify if it contains numbers like an edit count, etc.
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If you find time for it, please take a look at the article about Ted Gärdestad. I am thinking about improving it as it is about one of Swedens most famous singers. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:46, 6 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
A barnstar for you!
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(in response to being incorrectly templated, here)
Listen, you pretentious ass-hat: if you consider this edit to be "blanking page content or templates", you might want to consider how we do things here in Wikipedia. First of all, you don't template the regulars. Secondly, you actually take the time to use the discussion page to hash out difference of opinions. Thirdly, you had best understand the terms that you are accusing people of violating. I will get over your behavioral faux-pas (aka, 'major fuck-up'); if you do it again, however, you will shed any assumption of good faith you will ever get from me. Consider that your last warning. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:17, 7 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Discretionary Sanctions/Alert (topic=blp)
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Thanks for the further templating. Please do not post on my page again. Ignoring my request will be considered as harassment. You have nothing to say that I want to hear. Don't go away mad, just go away. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 22:51, 7 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Hello, Checkingfax -- I've been copy-editing Anbe Sivam (am not finished yet), but I was just looking at some edits made since I took a break, and I wanted to ask you about this edit. I thought neither templates nor HTML codes (such as for no-break space, etc.) should be added to a wiki-link, that is, the part before any pipe, which is, of course, the title of a WP article. (I thought they were all right to added to anything that follows a pipe; if that's wrong, please let me know.) – Corinne (talk) 03:17, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I just realized that I had already finished copy-editing the article last night. The editor changed a verb "has been regarded" back to the way it was before I changed it, to "is regarded", so I had to fix that just now. But I still need to know about templates/codes in a wiki-link. – Corinne (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. I have tested it and HTML codes although rarely warranted do not seem to cause any problems on the right or left side of the pipe within a wikilink. However, I only put templates on the right side of the pipe—as I am not confident about putting them on the left side of the pipe. I hope that helps. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}04:02, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oh. O.K. Thanks! Actually, since it has been a while since I have used HTML codes, now I only remember one, the one for a no-break space. Where can I find a list of the others?
You said earlier that I shouldn't put templates inside cite ref templates. Can I put templates (such as no-break space, spaced en-dash, etc.) inside regular ref - ref codes? – Corinne (talk) 04:09, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. Your recollection is correct: nesting certain font templates inside of cite templates can cause COins pollution. Here is a long list of HTML escape codes. If you use the name vs a number you just put the name between a leading ampersand and a trailing semi-colon: e.g.- the name for ampersand is amp, whereas one style of numbering for it is 34. Look down the chart and you can see you may use trade spelled out or substitute it numerically with 8482. There is probably no use for that one on Wikipedia. LOL.
Thank you. I guess the main one I would use is & + nbsp + ;. (What is that vertical blue bar in the "Character" column next to "nbsp"?) How do you say "HTML"? Do you say "aich tee em ell"? It looks like an abbreviation for "Hotmail", but I guess it's not. – Corinne (talk) 14:28, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. Off-wiki or for special on-wiki projects some of the other HTML (HyperText Markup Language) can be useful. I use copyright, trademark, the cents sign, and others occasionally. I utter it as H-T-M-L. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}15:39, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, but
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I appreciate your support in this edit. I'm just wondering how you end up putting some non-breaking spaces after en dashes. Is that something you do explicitly for a reason? Or your editor does it automatically for whatever reason? Are you worried that the line will break after the dash for some reason? I thought it was recommended to put the non-breaking space before a space en dash, as in Template:Spaced en dash. No? Dicklyon (talk) 06:38, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Dicklyon. Good catch. For some reason the snd template calls for a plain space before setting the template and after setting the template, whereas the snds template does not require that, and it prevents any hanging indent on the next line. As for en dash, I either use space en dash space in most cases, vs an unspaced em dash, but I use an unspaced en dash for simple date or score ranges: e.g.- the final score was 8–10, or pages 199–201, but for a birth, death date where there are words with spaces, I would use a spaced en dash, like (December 23, 1915 – January 19, 1951). If an article requires an em dash—I would use an unspaced em dash. Your thoughts? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}06:51, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
No, I don't understand how your edit inserted a few non-breaking spaces far from your part. Also I'd never heard of the shorthand Template:snd; such non-transparent abbreviations seem like a bad idea. Dicklyon (talk) 07:00, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Dicklyon. I would hate to type out the full name of the {{spaced en dash}} template every time, so they created a shortcut called {{snd}}. The mnemonic is: S-paced N-Dash, but they want you to put a plain space after the template. My template is really long in name, {{spaced en dash space}}, but has a template shortcut of {{snds}}, mnemonic: S-paced N-D-ash S-pace. I can glance at the source code of a page and know if something is an en dash, an em dash, a spaced en dash, or an unspaced em dash. Your thoughts? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:10, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I don't see a lot of value in the non-breaking aspect, typically, and don't understand why you'd ever want non-breaking after the dash. I just type the dash – I have a Mac, so it's trivial. Dicklyon (talk) 16:09, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Dicklyon. Does the Mac type en dash in with a keyboard command when you are in the edit source window?
Also, with my vision and screen resolution, when I am in edit source mode I cannot tell the difference between an existing hyphen, en dash, em dash, etc. They all look about the same width. I do not insert a lot of them, so using the templates is a no-brainer for me. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}16:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Yes, option-hyphen is en dash, and option-shift-hyphen is em dash, since 1984. I changed my font to one where he different is obvious. Dicklyon (talk) 16:38, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
MIT Press Journals application
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Hello. I would like to ask if the required minimum of 500 edits only take into account contributions from a specific version of Wikipedia, or contributions from every edition of Wikipedia? Does it also count contributions outside of Wikipedia, like Commons? Hoping for your reply, k_cms (talk) 15:46, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
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At the singular redirect, you were correct in my opinion to populate the Redirects to scientific names of plants category. It's a more general usage of the category, and yet still appropriate. There was no need for the alternative name sort, because the category tree goes:
Hi, Corinne. Without reading the article I assumed it is meant to be a reference so I converted the long URL to a footnote by doing this.
Now, it is a useful footnote and shows up in the footnotes (References) section, but it is now a bare URL which is subject to WP:linkrot.
Let's make it into a {{cite journal}} templated citation, OK?
Here is the format:
<ref name="make up a name">{{cite journal | last=Aries | first=Myriam B. C. | last2=Newsham | first2=Guy R. | last-author-amp=yes | date=2008 | title=Effect of daylight saving time on lighting energy use: a literature review | url=http://archive.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/obj/irc/doc/pubs/nrcc49212/nrcc49212.pdf | format=[[PDF]] | journal=[[Energy Policy]] | volume=36 | issue=6 | pages=1858–1866 | doi=10.1016/j.enpol.2007.05.021 | access-date=October 18, 2013}}</ref>
Leave any parameters blanked that you don't have or know what to do with.
By creating a (short) name for the ref, the ref can then be reused by only using that portion of the long ref. In this case the reuse name would be:
<ref name="make up a name" />
The double quote marks are required for spaced names, but I use them for all names in case an editor following me and making a ref name change does not know the double quote mark rule.
Short, cogent ref names are a good thing, but they cannot be all numerical.
If the ref name is reused in the article the forward slash ( / ) is used to "close" the named ref tag.
Honor the datestyel (dmy or mdy) of the article as best you can.
Just fill in the blank parameters as best you can and then paste that citation template in place of the plain text reference. Preview your edit; scroll down to References and make sure it's outputting the way you want it to; save it; bam; you're done.
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The Teamwork Barnstar
:::Checkingfax, I sent a few very well deserved barnstars around for all those who contributed in achieving GA status for Michael Laucke but now it's your turn and I am, contrary to my chatty nature, a bit at a loss in front of all, and I do mean ALL, you have done to help, guide, teach, encourage, and more, much more. ...and always in such a timely manner. I really think I would have been lost without your help. I probably would have made my way after a couple of years of wading through the rules and policies which you made short work of, not an easy achievement by any means! A good amount of my 'cheery nature' here comes from the helping atmosphere you provided. (Don't mean to embarrass you but I am one of those outgoing French people, after all. ) Sincerest gratitude and warmest regards Natalie.Desautels (talk) 22:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
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You reverted my edit to this sentence in the article "Septic tank": "A properly maintained system will likely not need replacement during the homeowner's lifetime."
I had changed it to "A properly maintained system will likely not need replacement during the builder's lifetime."
Sentence 1 is clearly false. I.e., if you were the 10th person to buy a 70 year-old house you would be the homeowner, but it is by no means certain that the septic tank would outlive you, no matter how well it was maintained. At some point it simply reaches the end of its design life.Seligne (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Seligne. I fail to see how changing homeowner's to builder's is a valid solution to the problem with that sentence. Try putting the sentence into your own words to accomplish the gist. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:01, 11 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Seligne. Unfortunately, replacing homeowner's with builder's does not fix the problem with the sentence. I do not know what else I can tell you. What if the builder lives to be 120? Forget about lifetimes, and quantify the life of a septic tank, if that is even possible. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:38, 11 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
wikinews article
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Hi, Wuerzele. I was editing the Zika virus article and I was testing the Wikimedia sister project links from the Zika article (in the wikimedia box at the bottom of the page) to the sister projects. I clicked on the Wikinews link on the Zika page and was shocked to find there was no news article for Zika. So, I thought of Doc James.
I do not know much about Wikinews, but the style is similar to a Wikipedia article, but it is written as a news article instead of as an encyclopedic article. The Zika article gets like 15 million page views per year so it is an important topic, and I am sure there is a news angle there too. You are free to create the Zika Wikinews piece by clicking on the red link on Wikinews. I am glad you noticed my post. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}20:01, 11 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Summer Palace of Peter the Great
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Hi, Picomtn. Good job doing a 3x expansion of SPOPTG. TAFI does not work that way. The process is:
Nominate an article that needs improvement, with rationale, by category
Once a week category spots on the nom page are shuffled so no particular category dominates the top of the nom page
Get three net aye votes from folks that know about the nom page (nom period times out 30 days after most recent vote)
Have the article go into a hopper (queue)
Once a week a bot randomly picks an article from the queue and notifies TAFI subscribers of the nom (this happens on Sunday)
A TAFI banner is put on the article
The previous week's TAFI banner is removed
There is, in true numbers, a five year backlog in the nom'd queue, however because of randomization of picks a recent nom can still be TAFI.
I would encourage you to join the TAFI project so you can get a feel for it. So, there is no way to add the SPOPTG article to the TAFI "improved" page without going through the TAFI nom process. As this juncture, the article may be "too improved" from the regulars to give it three net aye votes (nay votes cancel out aye votes). There is no obligation to work on a TAFI. You can ignore all but the notices that interest you, although I have found that I can add something, albeit minimal, to any article. The one I added the most to is hors d'oeuvres, which is now a #1 listing on Google, and it went to maybe 8x expansion within the 7-day TAFI period so it qualified for, and passed the review to DYK, and was posted in the main page primo position with an image.
Do you have a rationale to nom the article for TAFI? TAFI is a good way to get a weekly suggestion for an article that needs improvement. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}17:31, 15 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Checkingfax: All I was wondering about is if the improvements I made to this article changed it from being a start class one as it's listed at Wikipedia:Articles for improvement, and if so, what class would it be listed in now, and how does one change the class of an article for that matter. Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 14:44, 16 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Picomtn. You can nominate the article at TAFI to have it considered for further improvement. Then, if it goes from say a start class to a C class or B class then it would be listed as such.
Most article promotions are done by the germane WP Project, but in good faith you can promote them (or demote them). You do it in the Project template on the talk page. If there is no template(s), you can add the cogent template(s). All templates take a class= parameter, and some accept an importance= parameter. Most articles, even though important in your mind, are classified as "low importance". Do a view-edit or view-source at the top of a few talk pages and you will see the parameters to add or adjust. Sometimes, there is checklist on the talk page in the Project listing that helps you evaluate an article for promotion to class=B.
I would encourage you to join the TAFI talk page notification list so you get a weekly article for improvement suggestion on your talk page. You are free to delete them when you're done with them. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}19:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Pinging another editor
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(edit conflict). :Hi, Cordless Larry. Thank you for your quick notice of my botched ping. If you read my edit summary you will see what I did, knowing that re-pings do not work. I sent the OP a Talkback notice using the TB link. Oddly, they have not received it yet, AFAICT. FYI, SMcCandlish is writing an essay on pinging that will put all about pings into one easy to read article. Please let him know of anything you can add to his upcoming essay. As one of the Teahouse regs your input would be invaluable. Do you use the Teahouse Talkback script to apprise askers when you answer them? The little [TB] is odd, and hard to click on with an Android, but I can hit it sometimes. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}18:56, 17 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I don't have the [TB] thing, but sometimes use the talkback template manually (usually for IPs or when another editor has provided an answer and failed to notify the editor who asked the question). Personally, I now prefer to ping when I've answered a question. I've been trying to encourage hosts to notify guests of answers more thoroughly, at Wikipedia talk:Teahouse#Reminder to notify guests of answers, but it doesn't seem to have had much impact. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:02, 17 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Cordless Larry. I constantly botch pings. I wish there were a nag screen. Also, if they would tweak the system to allow us to make a subtle change in the message that would allow us to reset a valid ping. Years ago I was told we could re-add the ping, then change the time stamp by one numeral and it would restore the ping, but it does not work that way. Flow does not have these issues. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}19:10, 17 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
At least you're aware you're getting it wrong, Checkingfax! Lots of experienced editors (including me until relatively recently) don't realise that their pings are failing. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:22, 17 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Cordless Larry. On the flip side of that, if an editor's username contains an equal sign, like 7&6=13, they cannot be pinged with any of the ping templates. Two options are to "escape" the equals sign by encapsulating it in four curly braces or to use the "oldstyle" ping method of using square brackets, and no template. With c.c. to SMcCandlish. One reason I made my custom signature the way I have is so folks can easily ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}19:33, 17 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oh, heh, I was just thinking most of what you'd written to Dicklyon would make a good tutorial with a few extra details. I'm not sure I understand all the nuances (bugs/misfeatures) well enough to write much of an essay about it. It's probably more that WP:PING needs improvement, and a quick-guide summary. We probably don't need another separate page about it. — SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 19:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
DYK for Planned Parenthood
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I second Softlavender's warning. Common practice is that legitimate redactions are marked in some way, e.g. [redacted by Rebbing]. But I doubt this was a legitimate case and, however disruptive the wording may have been, your edit warring was far more so. I've seen editors blocked for similar warring over far more offensive comments, so I hope you'll drop the stick. Thanks. Rebbing 02:51, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Rebbing. Thank you for stopping by and offering your opinions. Please read the BLP edit notice carefully here regarding disruptive edits relating to BLPs.
Also, please read the WP:TPO here regarding removing personal attacks and trolling on discussion pages.
Removing this material does not count as an R. Additionally, I opened a dialog to avoid an edit war. It was Softlavender that was warring and needed a disruptive editing warning. Softlavender did open dialog on the article talk page, but only after it was already in place on her talk page, and only after the whole matter was already moot. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}19:21, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Checkingfax and Softlavender: There is one remark in the disputed comment that I feel rises to the level of a personal attack. I've redacted that from the page. The other comment, while it may border on disruptive, does not rise the level of severity that it needs removed. I hope I don't need to take further administrative action here. —C.Fred (talk) 02:53, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Checkingfax: The comment was about the nomination more that the nominator, and the word "crime" was clearly used as a figure of speech. Is it really worth getting blocked over a hyperbole? —C.Fred (talk) 03:00, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, C.Fred. Purple Shower's statement received an unsolicited review by editor Corinne who has a Master's degree in English and she has concluded otherwise on all your statements about PR's statement. Please see this (which was deleted without comment by Softlavender). Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}19:21, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Checkingfax, I'm going to give you the opportunity to self-revert your last revert (of C.Fred's edit) before I file at WP:ANEW. As it is, I think C.Fred has more than ample cause to block you right now without my even filing. Softlavender (talk) 03:02, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I know, "do the right thing", focus on contributions and not contributors. However, if you'd pointed out earlier on that the user who left the comment had been indefinitely blocked, then you'd have sent me down the path earlier of what else that editor had done. Given his history of personal attacks and his block, I have refactored his comment. I've also done so transparently, nothing where I've removed material, leaving as much in as possible while removing the attacks, and refactoring one comment to keep context. (How did I find out about the block? I was going to ask him to change the comment in the interest of everybody getting along.)—C.Fred (talk) 03:25, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
While I agree with you, Checkingfax, that those comments should be removed, not only because they were a personal attack but because the editor was a sockpuppet, I wanted to let you know that WP:TPG states that "All guidelines here also apply to Wikipedia discussion pages, such as articles for deletion" in the lead section of the page. For what it's worth, I only noticed it because I was looking to see whether TPG applied to non-talk pages where discussions occurred and if it wasn't for this remark, I wouldn't have thought they applied to pages in Wikipedia space. LizRead!Talk!15:52, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
The guideline portion you highlighted says "Removing harmful posts [in other words, entire posts, not portions of posts], including personal attacks, trolling, and vandalism" -- notaltering posts. Altering other people's posts in any way except structurally inherently changes their meaning, and therefore it is not allowed. When people read a signed post by someone, the post needs to be that person's precise words, or else chaos would reign and no one would know what anyone else was saying or if they had actually written what their signature implies they wrote. People take posts at face value, both at the time and even years later if the page is looked at then. The guideline portion you highlighted also says "This generally does not extend to messages that are merely uncivil; deletions of simple invectiveare controversial." It also states "you should stop if there is any objection." It also instructs to "leave a short explanatory note [on the page] such as '[possible libel removed by ~~~~]'"; this is very important for reasons I mentioned above. Softlavender (talk) 23:47, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Softlavender. Are you stating that personal attacks are to remain if they are encapsulated by salve?
I copy/pasted the Edit-Notice text in every edit.
The removed abusive text did not alter the meaning of the !vote one bit.
My highlight below highlights editing not the need to remove entire posts:
Some examples of appropriately editing others' comments:
At the juncture I was at, it would have been inappropriate to remove Purple Shower's entire !vote. I notice you and Winkelvi are in a back-to-back matter at the 3RR/N already. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}03:50, 25 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
It is not necessary to bring talk pages to publishing standards, so there is no need to correct typing/spelling errors, grammar, etc. It may irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. The basic rule—with some specific exceptions outlined below—is that you should not edit or delete the comments of other editors without their permission.
Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning, even on your own talk page.
Striking text constitutes a change in meaning, and should only be done by the user who wrote it or someone acting at their explicit request.
Cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed, but normally you should stop if there is any objection. If you make anything more than minor changes it is good practice to leave a short explanatory note such as "[possible libel removed by ~~~~]". Some examples of appropriately editing others' comments:
Personal talk page cleanup: See the section § User talk pages for more details.
Off-topic posts: If a discussion goes off-topic (per the above subsection § How to use article talk pages), editors may hide it using the templates {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}} or similar templates—these templates should not be used by involved parties to end a discussion over the objections of other editors. This normally stops the off-topic discussion, while allowing people to read it by pressing the "show" link. At times, it may make sense to move off-topic posts to a more appropriate talk page. It is still common to simply delete gibberish, comments or discussion about the article subject (as opposed to its treatment in the article), test edits, and harmful or prohibited material as described above. Another form of refactoring is to move a thread of entirely personal commentary between two editors to the talk page of the editor who started the off-topic discussion. Your idea of what is off topic may be at variance with what others think is off topic; be sure to err on the side of caution. The template {{rf}} can be used as well as to denote the original source page of the content.
Attributing unsigned comments: You are allowed to append attribution (which can be retrieved from the page history) to the end of someone's comment if they have failed to sign it. This typically takes the form —[[User|USERNAME]] TIMESTAMP OF EDIT (UTC). The template {{unsigned}} or one of its variants can be used to do this more explicitly: {{subst:unsigned|USER NAME OR IP|DATE AND TIME}}, which results in —Preceding unsigned comment added by USER NAME OR IP (talk • contribs) DATE AND TIME. However, the attribution of signatures to recent unsigned comments is typically done by a bot.
Signature cleanup: If a signature violates the guidelines for signatures, or is an attempt to fake a signature, you may edit the signature to the standard form with correct information (—{{subst:User|USERNAME}} TIMESTAMP OF EDIT (UTC)) or some even simpler variant. Do not modify others' signatures for any other reason. If the user's signature has a coding error in it, you will need to contact the editor to fix this in their preferences (but see "Fixing layout errors", below).
Fixing format errors that render material difficult to read. In this case, restrict the edits to formatting changes only and preserve the content as much as possible. Examples include fixing indentation levels, removing bullets from discussions that are not consensus polls or requests for comment (RfC), fixing list markup, using <nowiki> and other technical markup to fix code samples, and providing wikilinks if it helps in better navigation. Another helpful template is the Talk page Reflist, {{reflist-talk}}. The template should be placed after the discussion that includes the references, as it will include all references before the template.
Fixing layout errors: This could include moving a new comment from the top of a page to the bottom, adding a heading to a comment not having one, repairing accidental damage by one party to another's comments, correcting unclosed markup tags that mess up the entire page's formatting, accurately replacing HTML table code with a wikitable, etc.
Sectioning: If a thread has developed new subjects, it may be desirable to split it into separate discussions with their own headings or subheadings. When a topic is split into two topics, rather than sub-sectioned, it is often useful for there to be a link from the new topic to the original and vice versa. A common way of doing this is noting the change at the [then-]end of the original thread, and adding an unobtrusive note under the new heading, e.g., :<small>This topic was split off from [[#FOOBAR]], above.</small>. Some reformatting may be necessary to maintain the sense of the discussion to date and to preserve attribution. It is essential that splitting does not inadvertently alter the meaning of any comments. Very long discussions may also be divided into sub-sections.
IDs: Where sectioning is not appropriate, adding {{anchor}} or {{anchord}} for deep linking.
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Hi, Picomtn. Obituaries must follow a MoS for the publication they are in but they are generally written by somebody close to the subject and there is no fact checking. As long as the MoS is followed, and the huge publication fee is paid (huge if a mainstream publication), the obit is published without question or editing. They are only edited for MoS, or for using prohibited language. Obits are a good starting place to get some ideas for an article, but then you need to find some solid sources to back them up, or only include things that are non-controversial or unlikely to be challenged. If you say "Maya Angelou was a poet" or "Richard Nixon was a president" you probably will not be challenged on it. If something is challenged, then it must be cited. WP only requires verifiability. Citations are optional as needed to bolster. As of late, anything you say in a BLP is challenged. For dead people there is supposed to be some slack on that. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}14:59, 25 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I'll take that with guacamole.
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Hi, Picomtn. You do not have to ping me when you are on my talk page. Pings to talk page owners are automatic. No harm, no foul, it is just unnecessary.
Ramaiah's article has eight sections and only one inline citation. I started adding section tags but then realized the page banner was the appropriate tag, whereas usually they are not.
The article had a gillion mentions of M. S. referring to him as M S
Was this intentional? I changed them all to M. S. and it was a bit tedious. I have never seen anybody referred to like that. Was it some kind of well known personal branding?
FYI, the MoS for initials is to put a full stop after the initial, and a non-breaking space between the initials (so those still need to be added). A handy template for that is: {{nbsp}} (easy to remember) n-on b-reaking sp-ace is the mnemonic.
A caveat: If the person wants to be known by M.S. (no spaces) then we refer to them as M.S. (no spaces).
In my opinion, parentheticals, especially in the lead, are non-encyclopedic. Try unspaced em dashes or spaced en dashes (once you pick a style, stick with it throughout the article—both styles are MoS compliant—if you stick to one throughout). For date ranges, use en dash, but for date ranges with spaces in them use a spaced en dash. You can use commas, and then break it up with em or en dashes to get your point across, or you can always wikilink off to an article about the term if explaining it makes a run-on sentence. Templates for en dash and em dash are: {{ndash}} (no space), {{snds}} (space en dash space), and {{nsmdns}} (no-space, em dash, no-space). They are easy to remember once you start using them, but easy to mistype, so be careful and preview your work.
I would suggest you install the DYKCheck user JavaScript in your common.js page so you can check articles for DYK eligibility as you go along (the link is red because you have not added any JavaScripts to it yet). Installing JavaScripts are easily done and easy to remove if they cause problems. Also, for BLPs that totally lack citations you only have to do a 2x expansion without 7-days (and add citations) to qualify a DYK nomination. DYK gets the article on the main page and page views will spike and hopefully result in a long-term trending up which is a good thing if you want exposure for the article. I think the record is 350,000 page views in one day for swimming baby. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}16:25, 28 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Checkingfax. Thank you so much for reviewing and working on this article, and as you can see, it's quite a subject of a notable person who has established many institutions, but whose exact bio is nearly impossible to track down. Is their a way to get for this article from someone familiar with India, and the language, who can help with this? And, thank you too for the DYK info, which is, I'm afraid to admit, way too advanced for me to comprehend at this time. Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 12:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Checkingfax. I was wondering if you could help me in getting Mr. Lambu nominated for good article status that @Sainsf: suggests may be possible. As you well know, I'm not experienced enough to do this by myself, but, and also you know this, I work very hard to protect and improve articles that have been, or currently are, being picked on. Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 12:24, 30 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi again, Picomtn. It is not difficult to understand the GA criteria. There are six points here:
Firstly expand the article as far as possible, it should be quite broad in coverage, and not necessarily long. This article is difficult, though, unless you have access to more sources for expansion.
Secondly, make sure everything is supported by a good number of credible, inline citations.
Thirdly, the prose should be of good if not professional quality, and comply with the WP:MOS guidelines as far as possible.
Fourthly, try to illustrate the article with properly licensed, suitable images (if there are none available, this criterion may be ignored).
Fifthly, it should be stable and not subject to edit wars (at the moment Mr. Lambu does not satisfy this given the open AfD).
Finally, the article must be neutral with no bias or flowery language that could be promotional.
Hi @Sainsf:. Thank you so much for this great guidance, but, and sadly, (and as Checkingfax can well attest to) my age, particularly my eyesight, are serious impediments to my fully comprehending many WP guidelines and policies. And, the NPOV style of writing here that, as you know, is expository as opposed to my over 40 years of persuasive and narrative writing/teaching experience too. Maybe even more importantly about me, too, as to why I'm not the best person to nominate anything here is my complete disgust with those who nominate articles for deletion leaving people like me to do the work they should have done in the first place. So, and in essence, I'll never be master editor here, or anything other than what I am now, a simple person who will ALWAYS defend something that is being picked on. I hope you understand. PS If WP had more people like you and Checkingfax this would be a much better place. Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 12:51, 30 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Picomtn (with cc to Sainsf) and nvvchar. To nominate an article for GA, you do not need to be a great editor, but you must have resources to back you up for help to address any shortcomings in the article. Casliber is another editor who is skilled at bringing articles to DYK, Good, and Featured Article statuses. Maybe he would share some of his secret sauce with you. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}19:34, 30 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
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On 1 May 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jozef Raskin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jozef Raskin, a Belgian Scheutist missionary who was guillotined for spying in World War II, has a statue erected in his honor in the city of Aarschot? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jozef Raskin. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jozef Raskin), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Hello Checkingfax:
The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Caitlyn Jenner has been completed. There are a few TV show mentions I could not cite with decent citations. Some of the car racing statements I also couldn't cite after a quick look. Otherwise the article is completely cited.
Somebody should spend time archiving the URLs so that the article doesn't develop "dead" links.
Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
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Hello Checkingfax! I noticed that you added yourself to the list of the Latin music project members and just personally wanted to welcome to the Latin music project! Erick (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Talkback
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Hello, I'm TJH2018. I noticed that you recently removed some content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. TJH2018talk16:16, 12 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Have you checked the specific problems mentioned? I know that even reliable sources are being misrepresented, I checked them. And that there has been original research - I think we have a good faith editor there, although somewhat conspiracy minded perhaps given what they've said on the talk page, but they don't understand how we work. Doug Wellertalk17:33, 12 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Doug Weller. Yes, I believe Picomtn dropped the V word once too many times in that piece. LOL. The article was stable and we were making slow, steady progress on it, before this major slash and burn. The guideline for BLPs (all which are under discretionary sanctions) is to be careful (vs the customary be bold). A few folks discussing edits for less than 12 hours is not consensus. The editor should have read the talk page first. David Gerard received a DS/A-blp less than 12-months ago. He is the Yin to Picomtn's Yang. I would appreciate it if you would do a revert of the major edit under the status quo ante bellum custom. Then we can kick it around on the talk page like we have been doing previously. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}17:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
I gave her a lot of help, spent time I didn't have. But I think you can argue that if there are doubts about the content of a BLP then reverting it is being careful, leaving dubious content in is not being careful. I can't possibly reinstate badly sourced content, etc. after making it clear how I feel about it. Doug Wellertalk17:56, 12 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Doug Weller. I appreciate all the help you have given Picomtn. We need to keep on doing it.
Hey, I made some MOS and namestyle improvements to the status quo like changing Washington Post (Roman, no "The") to The Washington Post (italics), and various other sundry MOS and namestyle enhancements. An editor has just reverted all of them shotgun style citing that s/he was sticking up for "your version".
Did this myself, hope that's ok. I think that last revert was just a misunderstanding, don't see how anyone could object to your improvements. Fyddlestix (talk) 20:50, 12 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Checkingfax Here is the information that they wanted deleted from the article as dichotomies such as this are never allowed to survive. Maybe in the future you'll be able to get it put back in:
In 2016, Russian newspaper Trud claimed that Faal was affiliated with foreign intelligence services:
Experts noted that the Sorcha Faal's website is a "flush tank", through which one of the groups of American military and political elite merges information uncomfortable for their opponents. "Of course, for the project are special services, but who exactly—to understand yet difficult: British MI6, Mossad, CIA, DIA (Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense) and the American National Security Agency, for example," said professor of the Diplomatic Academy of Russia Igor Panarin. "Of course, it is an element of information warfare, but within the American elite".[1]
In 2016, Russian channel REN TV alleged, without offering proof, that Sorcha Faal was a portal for unnamed intelligence services.[2]
Concerns that Faal was in some way affiliated with the U.S. government were first raised in 2009 by the conservative political advocacy organization Americans for Limited Government when they posted on their website[3] a Freedom of Information Act reply from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that stated 10Faal articles had been used by the DHS in compiling their controversial report titled Right-wing Extremism Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.[4]
In 2016, a Faal report alleging that two U.S. military helicopters were shot down by Turkey over Syria was widely reported by mainstream Russia media sources including Свободная пресса—Википедия[5] and Trud[6] with the Sputnik news agency (in their German language edition) reporting that the United States Department of Defense denied this happened with Pentagon spokeswoman Michelle Baldanza stating "This is an absolute lie"[7] and Trud still commenting on it a subsequent article about Turkey.[8]
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"...several early editors demanded citations". Were they holding a GA nom hostage or something? Right now would be a very good time to commence the process of ignoring their advice and deleting pointless citations, IMO (again, unless your concern is linkrot). Lingzhi ♦ (talk)02:02, 13 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Lingzhi. No, it was way before the GA review. It was back when the article came out of Draft and into article space if I recall correctly, or maybe even it was in Draft or user space. At this juncture I am hazy. I just know they were ornery and demanding. Natalie is using Notes to combine the refs into singles. Natalie is the uber main researcher so I will leave it to her to decide which ones to prune out. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}02:30, 13 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
PS: Lingzhi. Your custom sig has a typo it in that makes your talk page link a redlink:
Hey, look at your talk page history. Your edit somehow changed that Lingzhi to a singzhi (only on this page)... As for the blue sea, don't worry, I won't oppose the FAC nom because of it, but while Natalie is working, she could perhaps quietly forget to add some of the relatively less needed links. And so on. They are a bit of an annoyance. But they are certainly not deal-killers. Lingzhi ♦ (talk)03:01, 13 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Hi Checkingfax. On Talk:Sorcha Faal, the AFD template at the top was broken and the links weren't working. According to {{Old AfD multi}}, the "page" parameter takes the name of the AfD page and automatically links to the discussion. The "link" parameter also works, but needs the full URL to a discussion, not just a wikilink. The link parameter is preferred when linking to somewhere other than AfD. clpo13(talk)22:22, 15 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Just to avoid cluttering the arbcom case...you opened by writing: "This situation is under BLP Discretionary Sanctions and is therefore exempt to other preliminary means of resolution." This is not true, at all. All WP:DR methods are always open to everyone, from simply talking to people, to getting third opinions, to mediation, to the various notice boards, including ANI. What DS does allow, is for you to take a case to WP:AE (see the pink box at the top of that page). Arbcom was not necessary - far from it. Jytdog (talk) 04:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
A follow up note, now that the case has been formally declined and archived. The fact that you cited things I did and had not once said anything to me about that, is in my view terrible, and in my view your participation in that process has lost you a ton of credibility. I don't want to interact with you but you might want to think about apologizing to others. Jytdog (talk) 15:33, 24 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Jytdog. I did not initiate the case. I did not make any false claims; I only made statements, supported by Diffs; I followed the instructions closely. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}15:58, 27 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Hi there, I have nominated the above article for FAC, a biographical article about a late Cambodian monarch and Cold War figure. I have received feedback from the FAC that the article's prose has issues. I have done several rounds of proofreading and CE on my part, and right now I think a second pair of eyes to spot any problematic areas, if any. I welcome you to take a look at the article, and feel free to give any comments on the prose, content etc - on any areas that may need improvement from your perspective. (The FAC page is at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Norodom Sihanouk/archive1). Pleased do not feel obliged if you are unable to do so, though it would be great if you can let me know about your decision on whether you can assist. Thanks in advance! Mr Tan (talk) 09:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Mr Tan. OK, done. If you are lucky, Corinne will step in and tighten up the prose with one of her spot-on copy-edit sessions. I fixed other stuff for you. Good luck. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:38, 22 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Submitted - I was initially hesitant to submit a request, as I had submitted requests to the CE guild, and had been overlooked thrice in the past. It's not so much about the specific editor that I am concerned with, but rather the issue of catching the attention of a willing editor. This article had been sent to Peer Review twice, and I failed to procure any meaningful responses to improve the article. On my side, I'm currently looking through Casliber's suggestions, which takes time. It"ll definitely be very great and nice if you can give a special consideration to take a look at this article.. Thanks! Mr Tan (talk) 11:04, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for getting back to me but I fear it is a lost battle. Increasingly consensus seems to be Delete and I'm thinking the best I can do is create Buntine Family to recognise three generations of an Australian family to lead independent schools and youth organisations. Bob's mother and father seem to be safe as his father played some Aussie Rules even if as a headmaster he would be deleted but his mother has an ADB biography. His grandfather also has an ADB bio so he will start it off and be notable. If you can help in any way I would really appreciate it. Castlemate (talk) 07:50, 31 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
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I explained myself in my edit summary. If you disagree, you should take that to the talk page and explain why you disagree. Templating users for what are obviously good faith edits is a sanctionable lack of civility, and given your previous dishonestly, I am less averse to asking an admin to take a look at your behavior than I usually am. MjolnirPantsTell me all about it.15:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Some of us watchers thought you'd might be able to use this, more to come in future. Keep fighting the good fight, it does make a difference.
Putin's Army Of Internet Trolls Is Influencing The Hillary Clinton Email Scandal
"Contrary to the Russian media silence, the U.S. media began buzzing with the May 6 publication on an obscure conspiracy-oriented website (whatdoesitmean.com) entitled 'Kremlin War Erupts over Release of Top Secret Hillary Clinton Emails.' The article, written under the exotic pseudonym of Sorcha Faal, claims that a faction within the Kremlin wants Hillary’s email cache released. Fox News pundits (Sean Hannity and Judge Anthony Napolitano) cited the article as evidence that Putin has the Clinton emails."[1]
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walking WikiLove
Thank you for – this is a long list, even your presence in itself makes everything "all cheers!" All the WikiLove you literally rain over others, your superb help at articles, such as Michael Laucke, writing such a superlative autobiography (and being a "sponge" ) – for all your achievements here, you are an awesome Wikipedian!
I'm assuming that as part of the FA process you will be archiving all of the URLs to avoid future dead links? I assume you know how to do this, but if not, let me know and I'll provide the details.
Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
Hi, Twofingered Typist. Thank you so much. Editor Sainsf is wrapping up the GA review. I have probably hacked up a bit of your fine work so feel free to dress it up if you so feel inclined.
I do know how to archive URLs the hard way. I am going to see if doing it via Checklinks would be easier. I does not automate the process but it does have an interface with frames where each link could be done and then batch merged.
There is a bot that does this but I do not think it takes individual requests. Plus a bot can detect a live link but it may have the wrong content. Many times older pages redirect to the home page of the content source. Hit me back with some pointers of your workflow for doing this. I have checked all links on Dugard's kidnapping article to be live and germane except for one dead link that there is no archive version of. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:29, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
I'm afraid there is only the "hard" way to archive URLs as far as I know. WP does have a bot that archives URLs and notes the link on the article's Talk page requesting that a reader verify that the archiving worked. I can't remember its name, and it does appear to be random as it doesn't archive every link in a specific article. I'm afraid it's cut and paste - boring but effective. Regards. Twofingered Typist (talk) 12:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Twofingered Typist. Thank you for your reply. That bot is owned by an editor named something like Cyberpower678. The bot is one of a few that he has and I believe the one that performs the dead link archiving attempt is something like Cyberbot II. It only attempts to archive links that are marked as dead links. In a way it is cool because you can tag dead links with Checklinks in a jiffy then wait a day for his bot to find and archive them for you. I did it with one page that had 222 dead links out of 500 total links. There was no way I was going to try to manually archive 222 dead links. Checklinks as mentioned does make archiving links a bit easier and it integrates them with only a bit of cleanup needed. I want the developer to improve Checklinks so the manual cleanup is not necessary but he is broke and busy with other projects. Hopefully he will attend to this and I can be his Alpha tester to get it smoothed out. There is a bot that archives all the links on a page but I do not know which one. The problem with bots is they cannot verify the content of a live page. Now and then the live content is useless. That is where your idea to archive a known good page is a great protocol. When you archive the "hard way" what is your most efficient workflow? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}18:05, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
As you point out, one way or another you're going to have to verify the content - bot or not - so the "hard way" (as in not automated) - would be archiving the URLs as you write the citation in the article. In the end, it is unlikely to take any more time than the other options you've mentioned. I read through the current version of the article and made a few minor tweaks. Regards. Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:58, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Twofingered Typist. Good job. Thank you. Just so you know, you added some colons this time and you added some previously. Your previous ones were removed by an intermediate editor. They might remove them again Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}21:12, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Hey, Checkingfax!
You appear to be sticking with some unnecessary literalism to "Unless the cause of death is itself a reason for notability, a single sentence describing the death is usually sufficient." While this much is "usually" true, it's also worth noting that a one-sentence paragraph would not survive a theoretical GAN. Also, your rewrite keeps changing the specifics that, according to all our reliable sources, she died the following morning. 🖖ATS/Talk01:26, 12 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, ATS. All the lead needs to say, if anything, is that she died. The lead already starts out saying she was, includes her death date, and the infobox includes it too. Details are found in the Death section. There is no strong need to mention her death at all in the lead. Creating a single sentence is a compromise. Cheers!
If so, that sentence must make more clear that she died the next day, despite that date being in the first graf, or it becomes confusing. You should remember, though, that if the article ever came up for GAN, a reviewer would make two sentences all but mandatory. I've been through it several times. 🖖ATS/Talk01:35, 12 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
That's specific to the date, BTW; the other removal leaves "the night before following a concert" which changes its meaning. 🖖ATS/Talk01:51, 12 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, ATS. ... "the night before following a concert" ...
It has to be, if it stays that way. That said, I'm still looking at it and trying to come up with something better. Probably in a few more seconds ... 🖖ATS/Talk02:11, 12 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
HMS Emerald (1795)
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Hi Checkingfax, You were kind enough to leave some comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/HMS Emerald (1795)/archive1 which I hope I have now redressed. Do you have anything else to add? I have notified some editors with appropriate expertise and who have participated in similar discussions before, so hopefully my nomination will be getting some more input soon. It is however sliding down the list so I was hoping you could add your support before it disappears into the archives. If you don't feel you can support it, don't worry, there won't be any hard feelings. Regards--Ykraps (talk) 06:13, 12 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
"C" class versus "start" class
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In this edit, you changed the WikiProject assessments from "C" class to "start" class. Was that intentional, and if so, what was the basis? (Also, if this was intentional, it would be appreciated if in the future you mention the assessment change in your edit summary.) -- John Broughton(♫♫)23:57, 12 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, John Broughton. It was nowhere near class=C when I correctly downgraded it to class=Start.
Hi, Imeldific. Editor Pincrete restored my edits but not yours. I am so sorry. How is it going over there? Ping me when you need me to comment further or !vote on the Featured Article promotion of Imelda Marcos article. Can you find a buffer to bounce your edit ideas off of before you implement them? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}02:28, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Cochrane, etc
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Please, if you're not willing to engage with me, step away from the articles. Not only, now, are you changing my citation style (in some cases, but not others; compare Linzey and Linzey 2014), and declaring good DOIs as broken, but you're introducing silly errors. Note the link to O'Sullivan appearing on Cochrane's name and the link to Milligan appearing on Cooke's name, and the link to Political Animals and Animal Politics appearing in an article title (and thus breaking link). These changes, which I've no doubt are being made in good faith, are controversial, and are damaging the article. Your changes are now holding up the review, as I'm having to wait for an increasingly unlikely explanation as to why I shouldn't just revert you. Josh Milburn (talk) 12:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
And you've added back a JSTOR link which I have removed; it's redundant to the DOI. I'm willing to bet that there are other issues I have missed. Again: the changes you are making are not nearly as uncontroversial as you think they are, and, due to the fact that others are having to clean up after you, you are creating work and causing bad feeling. Josh Milburn (talk) 12:33, 14 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
I have tried to explain why you are mistaken. You have now chosen to disengage on the grounds that I am not being "collaborative" or "civil", and that I am "belittling" you. This, of course, is untrue; you are clearly very uncomfortable with being told that you are mistaken, and would rather make vague accusations of wrongdoing. I wish you had chosen to disengage earlier, but, instead, you have wasted many hours of my time as I tried (in vain) to explain to you that you are confused. I will put this very simply. Changing citation styles without discussion is against our guidelines. You did this. As I have explained many, many times. Edit warring to keep your preferred citation style is the kind of behaviour which gets people blocked. You have displayed that, on a very fundamental level, you simply do not understand what a citation style is, and, while you display such a fundamental misunderstanding of this, you should not be making large-scale changes of citations. You do not have to reply, but I am cross-posting this on your talk page so that there is a clear record that you have been made aware of these issues. The reason I am doing this is because if you continue with your disruptive editing (and no, that's not me being "uncivil" or "belittling", or refusing to collaborate), you may well face blocks. The following policies/guidelines are particularly relevant: WP:CITEVAR (which you have violated by repeatedly changing my citation style without any discussion) and WP:IDHT (which you have violated by failing to show any understanding of the problematic nature of your edits). Josh Milburn (talk) 20:19, 14 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
imdb
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In a Teahouse response, you said "all" imdb content is user submitted. Although I did it myself once, I think cast and crew do have to come from official sources and can be considered more reliable than the other content that users do submit. I am one of those users. In the case of the cast and crew, I did find what I believed to be reliable sources, but I found it surprising that they said if the information was missing, go ahead and do it myself. The resulting list was a holy mess. That part wasn't my fault.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:50, 14 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
(talk page stalker) Some IMDB content can be submitted by the two branches of the Writers Guild of America, both of which are professional organisations with a good reputation for being factually correct, and they tag the content as such. However, by and large, the safest guideline to use for citing IMDB is - don't. A frequent problem is struggling actors create an IMDB page for themselves, then create a Wikipedia article about themselves using the page as a source. It never ends well. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)10:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Vchimpanzee and Ritchie333. Thank you. My wording was a bit clumsy even in my 2nd go-around. I am sure the WGA submissions pass muster much easier. The main point is that all content is submitted then reviewed before posting, except those few exceptions I mentioned. There is no direct posting of important stuff by anybody. The unimportant stuff is subject to their terms of use and site conditions. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Orlando shooting article
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I've left some thoughts over on the ANI thread. While I have refused to block you, I do think some of the communication at your end has been a little blunt and confusing. Supplying sources and understanding citation templates is one of the most taxing things a newcomer can face, and it can sometimes mean the difference between having a new article on the main page under WP:DYK or WP:ITN and being speedy deleted. And even experienced editors can struggle with the variations in style and formatting that are acceptable. In particular, I would say a key problem with your communication is you use acronyms without explaining what they mean. Throwing references to read WP:CITEVAR isn't really helpful, as it (correctly in my view) doesn't take sides on what templates to use. I'm personally a {{sfn}} man myself, but if I'm working on an article where {{harvnb}} or even bare text citations are established, then I'll just work with what's there. It really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, and in my view it is far more important to have an easily-readable article that is factually accurate than any green blob or brown star that might appear in the top right hand corner. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)10:09, 15 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Ritchie333. Thank you for your note here. Josh Milburn is a long time talented and experienced editor. He knows a lot about citations; more than most. WP:CITEVAR was cited by Josh many times to me so I did not feel a need to explain it when I later used it. Without taking sides WP:CITEVAR guides us to maintain the status quo, to implement consistency, and to improve cites. Templates are the preponderance in Alasdair Cochrane's textbook article and in the Bibiliography templates were 21:1. WP:CITEVAR guides us that once templates are used we should invoke them and not to remove them. Josh is shooting for a gold blob for the article about Cochrane's textbook and I am happy to help in the promotion to that end. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}00:30, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
I have reverted your edits at the article concerned. WP:CITEVAR does not say what you think it says. If you wish to make changes to the citation style on the article, you need to gain consensus on the article talkpage to do so. BRD applies here. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:48, 15 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Hello, can you please help? my article was declined twice and i do not understand why! there are so many cites and sources and all in reliable ones.. please help! Theboxny (talk) 08:42, 19 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Cary Grant
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Hi again Checkingfax,
I feel the need to comment on your copyediting style. You've made these large formatting edits to a few of my pages, most recently yesterday to the Briarcliff Manor Public Library article. However, I end up reverting many of the changes. For one thing, it's very difficult and time-consuming to pick through such a large edit, and it makes it harder to undo any one change. As well, I would recommend you take into habit to not add any line breaks (not press enter) until you make a subsequent edit. This is because the diff system is flawed; any line break shows the entire paragraph moved, and won't show any changes to that paragraph, meaning I have to scan through the whole text for changes, or use a diff viewer hosted somewhere online. Moving images as well makes it look like entire paragraphs were deleted or moved.
As well, I feel your edits have little consideration for the formatting style a particular editor retains. All of the articles I write will maintain the same formatting, including little details like no unnecessary spaces in any ref tag. Please consider the style of the contributing editor(s) before making such changes; they don't even affect the display of the article. My style omits any unnecessary formatting, including line breaks.
I'm also not sure where you obtained the thought that the inflation template utilizes original research. It's a simple formulation, that any amount of money in a historical date can be multiplied by the factor of inflation, to provide the current equivalent dollar amount.
(talk page stalker) I find it quite confusing that after nearly 15k edits and being here since 2011 that you would, in all seriousness say, "...my pages" and "the formatting style a particular editor retains". Surely, you know that editors do not WP:OWN articles and cannot claim them as their pages or that the style of a specific editor must be retained at any article simply because said individual has edited it? Wikipedia articles are meant to be edited by more than one editor and cooperatively so. Your comments here seem to indicate you think because you have edited the article you mention above that you have a right to declare personal consensus as to how they should be edited. You realize that is in conflict with policy on article ownership as well as consensus, correct? One quick note/question: How does one ping you? Your signature and username are most confusing appear to be "un-pingable". -- WV ● ✉✓16:52, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Ɱ (with cc to Winkelvi). Using the inflation template for most large numbers is original research. See:
Hi, again Ɱ (with cc to Winkelvi). Changing the ɱ to Ɱ in the custom signature code in your Preferences would salve some of the vexing caused to other editors in their ping attempts to you. Your username is "Ɱ" but you are displaying it as "ɱ" and "ɱ" is an unregistered username. Easy fix. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}17:46, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Winkelvi: You're reading far too deep into my writing. Of course I'm very, very familiar with OWN and have probably read it front-to-back innumerous times. However when one editor is the primary contributor for a page, it's common courtesy to let their formatting apply, if there's no policy or guideline contrary to that formatting, and especially after it reaches GA or FA. As for your other note, you can copy and paste my username, which is located in my signature, to ping me.
"You're reading far too deep into my writing" I don't think I am. You referred twice to the article(s) in a possessive manner.
"when one editor is the primary contributor for a page, it's common courtesy to let their formatting apply" Where do you find a policy or guideline regarding such a courtesy, since it is - as you claim - so common?
It occurs to me that this discussion should be taking place on the article talk page(s) in question so others who have the article(s) on their watchlist can also comment. In fact, I'm thinking this should be brought up in the form of an RfC in order to reach a real consensus rather than relying on assumption(s) made by editors as to what it appropriate editing style-wise at the article(s) in question. Any consensus, of course, should go hand-in-hand with policy. More eyes on this would be a good thing.
@Winkelvi: Yes you are, I know you are, I've read OWN back-to-front a ton. Just because I occasionally use words like "my" as it's clear to the reader that I'm talking about articles I steward, or primarily edit, doesn't mean I'm saying I own them. Really, get off my back, this is silly. Also, common courtesy isn't usually backed up by rules, I'm just saying it'd be the nice thing for Checkingfax to do. Regardless, the policy WP:STEWARDSHIP supports that editors shouldn't usually make large edits to FAs or GAs without some discussion. ɱ(talk) · vbm · coi)18:14, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
You can believe (or say you believe) I am reading into what you wrote all you like. That still doesn't make it so. The wording you used was evidence of the ownership you feel you possess. Further, if you had read all of WP:STEWARDSHIP, you would have seen that the following, "...unless an editor exhibits behaviour associated with ownership, it's best to assume good faith on their part" disqualifies you from claiming stewardship considering your choice to use "my pages". Nothing we do here is ours, it's the property of the Wikimedia Foundation, we are just guests who are allowed to edit. Any further discussion on the article(s) in question should be taken to the article talk page(s) for transparency. Wouldn't you agree, Checkingfax? -- WV ● ✉✓18:26, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
You're being rude now. I informed you I have no ownership, and used the term you and many others dislike out of carelessness; I usually avoid it because people who read into how someone talks trying to criminalize them will often weaponize that term against people. As I said, I was merely trying to clarify that I was talking about articles I primarily wrote or steward. Stop accusing me, I told you I don't have any belief they're my works or that I own them. How many times do I have to repeat this, and how could I convince you more than such a plain statement? Look at my edit history, how policy-based I am or how many significant works I've been involved in. I'm not some territorial hack. ɱ(talk) · vbm · coi)18:38, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Since you are not feeling territorial about the article(s) in question, then it would stand to reason you won't mind an RfC being started on this issue and consensus being sought (that may differ with your perceived consensus). Correct? -- WV ● ✉✓18:45, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
I do mind somewhat, solely as a waste of time, as I'm very busy in real life with two jobs and many weekend events constantly. What do you even want to RfC on? The amount of control a steward of an article has over details like formatting or the informal use of the phrase "my articles" for clarification purposes alone being not allowed? If it's the former, I'll gladly contribute, but if it's the latter it's silly and basically a witch hunt, trying to accuse editors of crimes that haven't been committed. ɱ(talk) · vbm · coi)19:02, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
(edit conflict) My original username was User:ɱ, however Wikipedia now recognizes that as a lower-case form of Ɱ (which it sort-of isn't), and thus to preserve the original and preferred form, I had to alter my signature and userpage. I could alter the display of my userpage title to ɱ until very recently. It's too bad, I don't see why these technical restrictions are there. Nobody else has expressed difficulty, perhaps if others do I'll make the change. I believe copying and pasting to be pretty simple and straightforward. ɱ(talk) · vbm · coi)17:55, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Ɱ. This is what a front facing copy/paste of your username results in: ɱ. Only a copy/paste of the source code version will result in this: Ɱ. The former is not a registered username. The latter is also hard to grok even with an electron microscope. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}18:05, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
I meant to say that you can copy and paste from the signature as seen in the edit screen, which you should be at anyway when pinging. The uppercase form may appear as a single box to you if the browser doesn't support the character, another unfortunate aspect of the symbol, and another reason I wish I could resume using the "lowercase" version. ɱ(talk) · vbm · coi)18:14, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Ɱ. The lowercase Latin M with hook renders fine for me. It is just useless though with your styling because it is muddied, and it is hard to grok in the first place as it is a crowded font that folds under itself with little whitespace for the hook on the lowercase version.
Wikimedia does not allow usernames that start with lowercase. Period. You skated by because of a bug in the system and ended up being able to register lowercase Latin M with hook. The system, due to a bug, failed to reject it. It should have forced you to register uppercase Latin M with hook which you eventually requested a switch to. There is no reason to allow you to have a lowercase letter as your username as that is not permitted by the system for anybody.
As for this being the first you've heard of this: I think not. I know I brought it to your attention as a polite and helpful aside as Winkelvi has also done here. So that is at least three times it has been discussed and maybe there are others that have slipped your mind or that you are unaware of because the majority of people are unable to ping you?
Visual Editors do not use Source Code so you probably never hear from them. I have never understood why anybody in a L/R country using Latin keyboard would have the need for a username such as yours, or why they register one username yet display another. Makes it hard to communicate. I would suggest changing the display version of your username as that is where many folks grep your username from. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}18:43, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Yes Checkingfax, I am aware that people had difficulty with the "lowercase" ɱ being my username. What I'm saying is new, quite clearly I should add, is any difficulty in pinging with my username being "uppercase". However they're not lowercase and uppercase. See "M with hook". A lowercase and uppercase set would be pronounced the same way and used interchangeably, except to capitalize in the beginning of a sentence or with a proper noun. However, ɱ and Ɱ have different pronunciations and are therefore not used interchangeably ever. My usernames and even that conversation predates Visual Editor, however you're wrong because Visual Editor is only on the main space, not talk or user talk pages. I'm sorry for your apparent inconvenience, but it's not an excuse for no contact; copy/paste should always be do-able. As another note, Winkelvi's signature inconveniences me as my CTRL-F function is hard to use because the signature is so colorful, I can't easily find the CTRL-F text. There will always be inconveniences, please learn to adapt when necessary. ɱ(talk) · vbm · coi)19:02, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
I am not a fan of Winkelvi's style of signature manipulation as it too is not copyable from the front facing view. Their previous front facing version was unreadable. They switched to something readable. I still do not care for it from a pinging standpoint.
Your username currently is uppercase Latin M with hook. It previously was lowercase Latin M with hook. Our system does not allow the use of lowercase letters as the leading character in a usernames. It slipped by due to a system bug, but you already know that. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}19:17, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Checkingfax: That template only explains that it should not be used, but it doesn't mention why it shouldn't be used. Why are large figures inaccurate using that inflation data? Can we come up with a system that would be accurate? Also, you haven't replied to my other concerns, which as mentioned, I'd really appreciate. Also I'd strongly recommend archiving your talk page more frequently. With 250 conversations, it makes typing here using this server-based computer mildly difficult. Thank you, ɱ(talk) · vbm · coi)17:55, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Ɱ. The ombox states in so many words that we would have to hire an accountant for each such use and we would have to back up each such use with a reliably sourced citation. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}19:20, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
DYK for Caitlyn Jenner
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
The ORES service has now moved to a new location. This should make it easier to use ORES. The ORES review service is now available as a beta feature on Wikidata and Persian Wikipedia. ORES is an artificial intelligence system for Wikimedia wikis to help editors. [12]
The order of wikis in collapsed cross-wiki notifications was different than when the list was expanded. This is now fixed. [13]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 June. It will be on all wikis from 30 June (calendar).
The way to mark notifications as read or unread will be changed to be more clear. [17]
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 28 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
The Collaboration team at the Wikimedia Foundation will look at developing better tools for edit review. This is because research suggests we scare away newcomers who want to help. [18]
An e-mail from the Editing Department explains the technical work that is planned and being researched for the future. Items include better wikitext and visual editing, prompts for edits, language improvements, annotations, and meta-data separation. [19]
The sorting of Notifications into the two fly-out menus is going to change on July 5 to 7. Bundled notifications should be easier to explore and mark as read individually. [20][21][22]
From 29 June git.wikimedia.org (running Gitblit) will redirect all requests to Phabricator. The vast majority of requests should be correctly redirected. [23]
Catalan and Polish Wikipedias will have Wikidata descriptions added to articles in the mobile view by default. This is currently a beta option for the mobile versions. This might come to other wikis later. [24]
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Just realized the RSVP thing is mandatory and has a cut-off that I missed. I'm in town but I guess I can't go this time. Demmit. 50.1.62.201 (talk) 01:48, 30 June 2016 (UTC) (-- SMcCandlish, offsite)Reply
Hi, Stanton. We have figured out a way to satisfy the building security and now RSVP is very helpful to us so we know how much food and drink to order but it is not set in stone any longer. Next time you can come spur of the moment if you miss the cutoff. RSVP is preferred but not mandatory. What is still mandatory is to bring I.D. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:17, 30 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Editing News #2—2016
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Place the cursor where you want to display the references list (usually at the bottom of the page). Open the "Insert" menu and click the "References list" icon (three books).
If you are using several groups of references, which is relatively rare, you will have the opportunity to specify the group. If you do that, then only the references that belong to the specified group will be displayed in this list of references.
Finally, click "Insert" in the dialog to insert the References list. This list will change as you add more footnotes to the page.
You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has fixed many bugs. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for Arabic and Indic scripts, and adapting the visual editor to the needs of the Wikivoyages and Wikisources.
Recent changes
The visual editor is now available to all users at most Wikivoyages. It was also enabled for all contributors at the French Wikinews.
The single edit tab feature combines the "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs into a single "Edit" tab. It has been deployed to several Wikipedias, including Hungarian, Polish, English and Japanese Wikipedias, as well as to all Wikivoyages. At these wikis, you can change your settings for this feature in the "Editing" tab of Special:Preferences. The team is now reviewing the feedback and considering ways to improve the design before rolling it out to more people.
Future changes
The "Save page" button will say "Publish page". This will affect both the visual and wikitext editing systems. More information is available on Meta.
The team is working with the volunteer developers who power Wikisource to provide the visual editor there, for opt-in testing right now and eventually for all users. (T138966)
The team is working on a modern wikitext editor. It will look like the visual editor, and be able to use the citoid service and other modern tools. This new editing system may become available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices around September 2016. You can read about this project in a general status update on the Wikimedia mailing list.
Learn how to improve the "automagical" citoid referencing system in the visual editor, by creating Zotero translators for popular sources in your language! Watch the Tech Talk by Sebastian Karcher for more information.
If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!
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Corinne and Natalie.Desautelswould like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Corinne and contact Natalie.Desautels to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Checkingfax. If you accept the nomination, you must state and sign your acceptance. You may also choose to make a statement and/or answer the optional questions to supplement the information your nominator has given. Once you are satisfied with the page, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.
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I just want you to know that I meant everything I said in your RFA; I really hope that you keep your head up despite how bummed out you're probably feeling right now (I'd know; I sure was when my RFA got clobbered). If you move on with your wiki-business, learn from this experience, keep yourself in check, let some time pass, and keep that consistency going...
This experience (if you let it) will make you a whole new editor; someone who had a small bump at ANI a long time ago but gained experience, knowledge, wisdom, and the ability to say "hey, I've been there! I get it!" when helping other editors in similar situations.
Well, I left a comment on Iridiscent's talk page. I'm rather unimpressed and disappointed at the oppose votes. I can see how CheckingFax could have addressed these concerns better upfront, but on the whole I don't see much substance from the "opposing" side behind these disputes. I think you, Oshwah (talk·contribs), were mistaken to be swayed by them. II | (t - c) 06:36, 2 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
I went to vote, but it closed mid-way through writing. As such, and based on advice given by HighinBC, here they are:
Oppose per the excellent points raised by Iridescent. I don't like pointy comments like the closing sentence of this exchange. It was designed to humiliate and to belittle and they are two things I do not want to see in an administrator. CassiantoTalk18:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hello Checkingfax. I see that about 12 hours ago your RfA was closed early. I did oppose you but I wanted to come by and say that I do appreciate your editing here and I hope you are not too disheartened by the result. For what it is worth I also failed my first RfA: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/HighInBC. HighInBCNeed help? {{ping|HighInBC}}18:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
I mentioned it on another talk page but it bears repeating here; you should read Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates carefully, and also the various essays linked from there. Simply being a nice guy just isn't enough to be an admin, you need to be able to judge situations well in order to reduce disruption. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)10:38, 3 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for your interest in the WP:RfA process, such as it is. I wish that the process could be more positive and constructive than it is. Right now it seems to cause a lot of problems without giving a benefit that is a clear match to its costs. I am not sure what I want, but I do wish that editors like you could also have a good experience with it, and that fails to happen too often. Thanks for what you do on Wikipedia. I regret any hassle you may have experienced. The infrastructure can be a beast and I do not know how to address the faults it has. Blue Rasberry (talk)19:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Thanks for updating the citation URL in Honey. I noticed, however, that when you (or more accurately, "Checklinks") added to the citation template (see Honey: Difference between revisions) you put hyphens in "archiveurl" and "archivedate" (i.e. "archive-url" and "archive-date"). This unfortunately made the archive URL unclickable. I removed the hyphens and the archive link is now clickable. Just thought I'd let you know about the hyphens. Perhaps "Checklinks" needs to be modified in order for this not to occur with other updates. Thanks again for updating the citation. Akhooha (talk) 00:47, 9 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Akhooha. Wow, good eye. That was a while ago. A couple of things:
Checklinks only merges archived links after I manually create them.
The documentation at {{cite web}} states to use a hyphen. Between you and me I have made it work both ways.
I would like Checklinks to be modified to do more of the rote effort that it takes me to manually craft archived links.
Please alert the Template Editors on the cite web template page that something has changed that has broken those 2 hyphenated template keys. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}03:08, 9 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
UPDATE: I just tested the Permalink for the page version before you edited it, and it the hyphenated version seems to work fine, at least on my setup (Win 10 Ultimate, Firefox, i5 processor, Vector skin). Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:13, 9 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hmmmm, that's odd. I was just starting to write to the citeweb editors about the issue, but I'll hold off. Maybe it's just an issue with my system. I'm using Windows XP, Firefox 43.0. Could be that XP is at fault. Thanks for checking it out. Akhooha (talk) 16:45, 9 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
How very strange. I just tried it again with the hyphenated parameters, and it was working properly. I have no idea why it wasn't working last night. Sorry to have bothered you... Akhooha (talk) 22:32, 9 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
A new image scaler fixed a number of bugs for showing SVG files. Some new problems turned up. [25][26][27]
Notifications are grouped by types. They are now counted by number of notifications and not by unread groups. That change may increase the number of notifications displayed. The earlier way of counting was often incorrect. Unread notifications will also be displayed first. [28][29][30]
Special:Notifications now has a maximum width for the notifications list on desktop computers. This allows long titles and descriptions to be cut properly. Notifications are now also better parsed. [31][32][33]
Problems
On 5 July Wikimedia Commons had problems and could not be edited for 20 minutes. For a short while after that the recent changes log and some gadgets were not working properly. It affected administrative actions on other projects too. [34]
Users who have multiple unread notifications can mark them as read by visiting Special:Notifications page on their wiki.
Changes this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 July. It will be on all wikis from 14 July (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 12 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Working on an infographic to represent the flow of data in Wikidata
Work on multi-content revisions in order to be able to store an entity (item, property, mediainfo) and wiki text in the same page (This is needed for Commons) (phabricator:T107595)
Did more interviews with editors as preparation for the work on automated list generation for Wikipedia and co based on Wikidata data
Fixed a bug with data parsing in Korean and a few other languages (phabricator:T139509)
Added "non" as a language code for monolingual text values (phabricator:T137115)
Removed display of calendar model for dates with precision of 10 years or larger (phabricator:T133973)
Fixed issues in some of the forms on special pages on mobile (phabricator:T138413)
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The reference is after the colon. If you so desire, you can duplicate reference #9 after the block quote. Next time, could you please actually try to address the problem (by eg checking a reference) or leave a talk page message instead of lazily leaving a {{cn}}? This will help maintain article quality when people aren't keeping as close of an eye on their watchlists as I do. Thanks. Ed[talk][majestic titan]19:36, 11 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Cold seep
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Hi, Checkingfax -- I was just looking at an interesting article, Cold seep, when I saw an external link in the first paragraph in the Cold seep#Stability section. I don't know what to do with it. Can you address this? Thanks in advance. – Corinne (talk) 00:43, 17 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. That was a bit of a toughie because it turned out to be a dead link (404). I found a live link then converted the external link to a footnote link using a {{cite web}} template. Addtionally, 3 templates were throwing CS1 errors so I fixed those, and some citation templates had pages where it should have been page. Fixed those too. All done now. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:31, 17 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
Due to the rollback, new sorting of Notifications on the Fly-Out Menus has been deployed with a delay. [35]
In notifications, "Messages" are now called "Notices". [37]
Problems
On July 12 all wikis were rolled back to MediaWiki 1.28.0-wmf.8 due to a problem in the log-in system. [38][39]
Changes this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 July. It will be on all wikis from 21 July (calendar).
The RevisionSlider can be tested on the beta cluster. From 22 July, it will be available as a beta feature at: German Wikipedia, Arabic Wikipedia, Hebrew Wikipedia
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "Devise plan for a cross-wiki watchlist back-end". The meeting will be on 20 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join. [41]
Future changes
User scripts and bots can no longer use http:// to edit wiki pages. [42][43]
Gerrit is going to be updated. Developers are invited to test it. [44]
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@faxcheckingmanBangladesh Army has no reserve soldiers. The references given on that page don't say that there are reserve troops in that force. Please edit that page immediately ... I had edited but now have been removed by another user.Senthoora poove (talk) 10:18 AM , 19 July 2016 (UTC)
No, there is just a narrow black line frame, with nothing in it except a very small green "picture" or icon the upper left-hand corner. – Corinne (talk) 02:43, 20 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, both, for your replies. I didn't realize this was an animated image, but I have had no problems with other animated images in WP articles. – Corinne (talk) 03:17, 22 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
The Signpost: 21 July 2016
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Sometimes, the visual editor required saving twice. That problem is now fixed. [46]
Changes this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 July. It will be on all wikis from 28 July (calendar).
It is now possible to mark all Notifications as read on Special:Notifications, by clicking on the cog icon. [47]
Wikipedia search will now detect the language of your search if 2 or fewer results are found. It will then show results from the matching language Wikipedia, if any relevant article exists. It will start to roll out in 5 languages. [48]
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 26 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "an extension that implements an authenticated key-value store". The meeting will be on 27 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join. [49]
Future changes
The current icon for Notifications "Notices" (in English "Notices") will be changed from a bubble-speech icon to a tray icon for consistency. [50]
Numbers on Wikidata:Database reports/without claims by site for some projects decreased (e.g. dewiki), remained consistently low (e.g. nlwiki), or recently increased to new highs (e.g. enwiki).
Development
Finished first rough prototype for structured data on Commons. Wanted to sent out announcement on Friday but one configuration issue is still unsolved. Should be solved in the next 1 or 2 days.
We are adding a "no match found" message to the suggester that you get when selecting an item or property while adding a new statement for example (phabricator:T140085)
When a query result contains a mathematical expression it will soon be rendered correctly (phabricator:T137784)
Added support for Haida (hai) for monolingual text values (phabricator:T138131)
Late breaking invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, July 27 (Wednesday) - change of venue - tonight
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Please join us in the Mission at Noisebridge (one time change of venue)!
We hope you can join us today, Wednesday, from 6 p.m. on, at our July Bay Area WikiSalon. This month only, we are going to be at Noisebridge, a hackerspace/makerspace 1.5 blocks from the 16th & Mission BART station (see the link for directions). Some of us will be working on the Wikipedia article on basic income. All info here. Some good news - we do not have to be as strict about advance RSVP at Noisebridge, so bring spontaneous guests! (Registering ahead of time is still helpful, as always, as it will help us plan ahead.)
Come and hang out, have some light snacks. Wi-Fi is available, so please bring your editing device if you plan to edit.
The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. Mark you calendars now.
We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend.
You can now translate all sister project pages to your language, like Wikidata:Wikipedia. Please, link to them from your projects to give your fellow users chance to learn Wikidata basics.
You can now enable the CoordinateDiffMap Gadget in your preferences to get a map for coordinate changes.
Added a message to the suggester that pops up when you search for items or properties. When no matching property or item is found it will now tell you. (phabricator:T140085)
Considerably improved our browser tests to find more issues before You ever see them.
Added Haida as a language available for monolingual text properties (phabricator:T138131)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
The RevisionSlider beta feature can now be tested on mediawiki.org, German Wikipedia, Arabic Wikipedia and Hebrew Wikipedia.
Problems
Renamed users on some wikis were not connected to their account on other wikis between 20 July and 21 July. This has been fixed. [53]
Changes this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 August. It will be on all wikis from 4 August (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 2 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
In notifications, the icon for Notices has been changed from a speech-bubble icon () to a tray icon () for consistency. The Alerts icon has been redesigned too. The colors have been changed for accessibility. [54]
Problems
If you use the wikEd gadget, changes you made were not kept when you switched from the wikitext editor to the visual editor while you were editing. This has now been fixed. [55]
Changes this week
Wikimedia search will now ignore question marks at the end of the sentences or words you use when you search. Until now the question mark was just a wildcard. [56]
On Commons, UploadWizard will now be available on mobile, rather than just the old upload form. This should reduce the workload for the community in reviewing images. [57]
When you edit with the visual editor a puzzle symbol tells you there is an invisible template in the article. It will now mention the name of the template. [58]
The button to read something in another language will move for mobile users. This will happen on 9 August. [59]
When someone mentions you and links to your user page you get a notification. You will now get a notification when you mention yourself this way. [60]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 August. It will be on all wikis from 11 August (calendar).
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on August 9 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Worked on layout improvements to have a better visual separation of qualifiers and references (phabricator:T141862)
Added a line to the suggester to indicate when no matching item or property was found (phabricator:T142034)
Fixed and issue with scroll bars in the logo section of the ArticlePlaceholder (phabricator:T139977)
Worked more on making it possible to translate an article in the ArticlePlaceholder (phabricator:T124036)
Worked on fixing link in in other languages section for ArticlePlaceholder (phabricator:T137933)
Worked more on groundwork for multi content revisions which we need for structured data support for Commons in order to have structured and unstructured data on the file page at the same time (phabricator:T141878)
Worked on automatically creating a mediainfo entity when adding a statement - so far it is only possible by adding a label or description (phabricator:T140760)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
Last week Tech News announced you will get a notification when you mention yourself the same way as if someone else had mentioned you. This caused some problems and will happen later instead. [62]
Creating and editing links to sections on other pages on the wiki now works again in the visual editor. [63]
For some users, cross-wiki notifications haven't been working properly. The count has been wrong when only cross-wiki notifications were present. The cross-wiki bundle has been showing only the names of wikis and not the actual notifications. This will be fixed soon. [64][65]
Changes this week
The login session when you choose "Keep me logged in" will now last a year. Previously it was 30 days. This will happen on August 16. [66]
Some abuse filters will have to be updated during the week. This is because a bug will be fixed. [67]
In compact language links, two new kinds of languages will be shown in the shorter language list: Languages that are used in the article's text, and languages where the article has a badge like "featured article" or "good article". [68][69]
The visual editor will be available by default for logged-out editors on Wikipedias that use the Arabic script. It is already default for logged-in editors. [70]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 16. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from August 17. It will be on all wikis from August 18 (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on August 16 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
Starting the week of August 22 there will be three software deployment windows. They will be at 13:00, 18:00, and 23:00 UTC. This is to have more times when software of the wikis can be updated and make it easier for developers in different parts of the world. [71]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
The ORES review tool is now available on Special:Contributions as a beta feature. It can make it easier to find contributions that are probably damaging the wikis. The ORES review tool is available on Wikidata and Persian, Polish, Portuguese, Dutch, Turkish and Russian Wikipedia. [72]
The norm and ccnorm functions have been updated to make it easier to write abuse filters. This also affects the TitleBlacklist extension. You don't have to transform "I" and "L" to "1", "O" to "0" and "S" to "5" anymore. [73]
The old pageview data in the "pagecounts-raw" and "pagecounts-all-sites" files is no longer being updated. You can find the new pageview data here. This happened on August 5. [74]
Problems
Some big image files could not be thumbnailed. This has now been fixed. [75]
When you moved a page over a redirect it would delete the redirect without saving it in the logs. This has now been fixed. [76]
Changes this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 August. It will be on all wikis from 25 August (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 23 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
Sometimes when you mention another user they don't get a notification. You will be able to get a notification when you successfully sent out a mention to someone or be told if they did not get a notification. This will be opt-in. You can test this on the test wiki. [77][78]
How you add text after an edit conflict might work in a different way in the future. You can test the prototype. [79]
WikiShootMe has a lot of new updates: OAuth-based image upload button, uploads to Commons and adds to Wikidata item with one click, right-click on the map to add a missing item, build-in Wikidata search, free images search (example for Central Cambridge)
A famous Italian song, Tanti Auguri by Raffaella Carrà, states "Com'è bello far l'amore da Trieste in giù" (literally, in English: "How great it is to make love from Trieste to below"). This is a query to find out where you shouldn't make love.
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Hi Chaeckingfax: Softlavender and Drmies had left a question or two for you at Talk:Indecline, and I notice you've been editing since then but haven't responded. Seeing that you have made recent edits adding spaces between the == and the heading text and blank lines between the heading and the paragraph text following it, and not mentioning this in your edit summary (for example this edit, where the edit summary mentions only date format, but the only date format aspect of the edit that I can see is that you added a template specifying US date ordering), I checked the MOS and found that what it says on the main WP:MOS page is in fact much as I had thought it was - both those spaces and the blank lines after headings are optional:
Spaces between the equal signs and the heading text are optional, and will not affect the way the heading is displayed. The heading must be typed on a separate line. Include one blank line above the heading, and optionally one blank line below it, for readability in the edit window (but not two or more consecutive blank lines, which will add unnecessary visible white space in the rendered page). There is no need to include a blank line between a heading and sub-heading.
That makes them not wrong, but unnecessary changes (to be avoided because they clutter watchlists and they imply the other way was somehow wrong). I'm a bit concerned about you making such changes. But Softlavender raised a more serious concern, which is that the changes of that nature that you made at Indecline masked a lot of changes to the text, and since you had not mentioned textual changes, I didn't notice them until the characterization of Mexicans jumped off the page at me. Personally, as I have said at the article talk page, I'm inclined to AGF about those changes. However, you should not be automatically adding the state after every mention of a city in a list, as you did there. It's totally unnecessary with almost every one of the 5 cities mentioned, and completely unnecessary with links present (I had even linked unambiguously to Cleveland, Ohio for the benefit of non-Americans), and again, it gives the impression that the "city alone but with link" usage I employed is less correct. Which it is not. Please don't impose your personal preferences without thinking whether they are actual improvements, and if you do go ahead and make such changes, it should be in the edit summary, all the more if you have cluttered up the diff with blank lines. But it's possible you weren't fully aware that these are matters of personal preference? That still leaves the addition of "criminal undocumented", though. So can you please respond to Softlavender's query? I think this might be a better place, but I've pinged the other two partly in case they disagree (and partly in case they want to take issue with what I've said above; blame it on Indecline's shock tactics if you like). Yngvadottir (talk) 16:48, 27 August 2016 (UTC)Reply
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In a posting some time back at Bull Rangifer's page, I raised a query regarding an edit conflict, a small part of which had to do with date styles. (I say a small part, because the real issue was the insistence of another editor to intrude while I had an under construction tag posted, and to make reverting, nit-picky changes before I finished my editing session.) In any case, in looking back at that interaction, I was again impressed by the time and thoughtfulness you brought to the matter, and wanted to say thank you for the time it took for you to do so. If you can do such positive work on any regular basis, you—like Bull—are of a singular variety of editor here, that I can only applaud. Cheers, Le Prof. 73.211.138.148 (talk) 04:00, 29 August 2016 (UTC)Reply
Wikidata weekly summary #224
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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Planet to Earth: this tool uses data from Wikidata to visualise the links between places on an astronomical body named after a place on planet Earth.
WikiDataScape is a Cytoscape app for interactive browsing of Wikidata.
The property "KML file" was created last week (see list below) and has already a full list of values, sample LUA module and property documentation page available (Property talk:P3096)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
Wikimedia mobile sites now don't load images if the user doesn't see them. This is to save mobile data and make the pages load faster. [80]
When you edit a table with the visual editor, pressing Tab in the last cell of a row will take you to the first cell in the next row. Pressing Shift and Tab in the first cell of a row will take you to the last cell in the previous row. [81]
Changes this week
The name of the "Save page" button will change. The button will say "Publish page" when you create a new page. It will say "Publish changes" when you change an existing page. [82][83]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 August. It will be on all wikis from 1 September (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 30 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, August 31
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Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
Hi folks,
We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.
We make sure to allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks. We will also have a brief presentation for your education and possible enjoyment:
Former EFF intern Marta Belcher will discuss crowdsourcing her Stanford Law School graduation speech using a wiki. The "WikiSpeech" was the subject of prominent national media attention in 2015, and more than half of her classmates contributed to writing and editing the commencement address via a wiki.
Please note: You shouldregister here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on speakers or wiki-related activities.
Tonight: Live and archived links for Bay Area WikiSalon
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Bay Area WikiSalon, Wednesday, August 31:
If you cannot join us in person tonight, we are streaming (and later archiving) the presentation by former EFF intern Marta Belcher. We expect her to be live starting between 6:30 or 6:45 p.m. PDT and talking and taking questions for about 30 minutes thereafter.
Welsh Wikipedia includes Wikidata-based article placeholders, like this one
Wiki Loves Monuments started! You can help by improving the items about heritage buildings or use Wikishootme to find unpictured monuments
English Wikipedia now has a WikiProject Wikidata to coordinate integration with Wikidata. Why not start one for your local Wikipedia? Add it to Q20855878 if you do.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
Word-level diffs now work in longer paragraphs. [84]
Interactive maps now have a frame by default. This is to make them look like other multimedia objects. This affects all Wikivoyages, the Catalan, Hebrew, Macedonian Wikipedias and Meta. [85]
When you preview the MediaWiki:Captcha-ip-whitelist page it will show a validation output of the listed IP addresses instead of the list of addresses only. This can help you to identify if your whitelist rules will work or not. [86]
Changes this week
You will be able to use <maplink> on all Wikipedias. It creates a link to a full screen map. [87][88]
Sometimes when you mention another user they don't get a notification. You will be able to get a notification when you successfully send out a mention to someone or be told if they did not get a notification. This will be opt-in. [89][90]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 September. It will be on all wikis from 8 September (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
July Drive: The July drive was a roaring success. We set out to remove April, May, and June 2015 from our backlog (our 149 oldest articles), and by 23 July, we were done with those months. We added July 2015 (66 articles) and copy-edited 37 of those. We also handled all of the remaining Requests from June 2016. Well done! Overall, we recorded copy edits to 240 articles by 20 editors, reducing our total backlog to 13 months and 1,656 articles, the second-lowest month-end total ever.
August Blitz: this one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 21 through 27 August; the theme was sports-related articles in honor of the 2016 Summer Olympics. Of the eight editors who signed up, five editors removed 11 articles from the backlog. A quiet blitz – everyone must be on vacation. Barnstars and rollover totals are located here. Thanks to all editors who took part.
Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Corinne and Tdlsk.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
The Wikimedia Commons app for Android can now show nearby places that need photos. [92]
The RevisionSlider will be available as a beta feature on all wikis from 13 September. This will make it easier to navigate between diffs in the page history. [95]
A new user right will allow most users to change the content model of pages. [96][97]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 September. It will be on all wikis from 15 September (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
When you search on the Wikimedia wikis in the future you could see results from sister projects in your language. You can read more and discuss how this could work.
Upcoming: Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing) & Liam Wyatt (User:Wittylama) speaking about GLAM-Wiki (including Wikidata) in Warsaw, 19 October. Details tbc.
Upcoming: Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing) speaking & running workshop about Wikidata at SFK 16 ("Software Freedom Kosova Conference") in Pristina, 21-23 October.
#SundayQuery on Twitter: every Sunday, you can ask for help or advice about SPARQL queries, how to build or fix it, some SPARQL-ninjas will be there to answer you!
Researcher? You can participate in the WSDM Cup 2017 challenge and improve Wikidata vandalism detection
New templates: {{Denmark properties}}, {{Greece properties}}. Please add labels in your own languages, and consider making a similar template for your country or region.
Development
Lowered relevance threshold for ArticlePlaceholder search results from 3 to 2 sitelinks (T144188)
Added 'otk' as an available language for monolingual text values (T137809)
Working on making it possible to paste partial URLs into the site selector (T144310)
Made progress on showing editors on all Wikimedia projects which articles on their project use data from a given Wikidata item. We will also show in the page information (action=info) which items a given article uses. Also worked on showing which projects use a given item in the page information. (T103091)
Added meta information to the html header of item pages (T88475)
Made progress on making ArticlePlaceholders indexable for search engines (T144590)
The Project Grants program is accepting proposals from September 12 to October 11 to fund new tools, research, offline outreach, online organizing and other experiments that enhance the work of Wikimedia volunteers.
The RevisionSlider is now available as a beta feature, try it to have a visual overview of your diffs.
The Wikidata team attended and participated to a lot of conference these past days (WikiCon, ViewSource, DPpedia, SoCraTes, Write the doc) that's why we don't have many tasks to share with you this week :)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
The new version of MediaWiki will hopefully be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 September. It will be on all wikis from 22 September (calendar). This is the version that was meant to go out last week.
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 20 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, September 28
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Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
Hi folks,
We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.
We will have no formal agenda to allow people to freely share ideas and perhaps learn about Wikipedia through hands-on editing. Co-organizer Ben Creasy will be looking at election-related articles to enhance the information available in the upcoming November elections.
Co-organizer Stephen LaPorte has suggested doing an upload-a-thon for Wiki Loves Monuments. Niki, the California coordinator for WLM will be in attendance. WLM is an annual event and the official deadline is Friday the 30th for submissions to count towards awards.
Or, you can grab a couch, a booth, or a stool and do your own thing.
Please note: You shouldregister here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on future speakers or wiki-related activities.
For further details, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, September 2016. Mark your calendars now for the 3rd Wednesday in October, the 26th, when we will have a brief presentation.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
When you edit text and mention a new username they are notified if you add your signature. Before this only happened under certain conditions. [102]
Users are notified if they are mentioned in a section where you add your own signature even if you edit more than one section. Before, users were not notified if you edited more than one section in one edit. [103]
Problems
The MediaWiki version that was supposed to come to the wikis two weeks ago was put on hold again because of new problems. The MediaWiki version after it is now on all wikis. [104][105]
Changes this week
There will be no new MediaWiki version this week. [106]
Abandoned tools on Tool Labs could be taken over by other developers. There is a new discussion on Meta about this. It will be discussed until 12 October and then voted on. [107]
TXT Werk is doing automatic entity recognition in text with the help of Wikidata. Previously only German was supported. English is now supported as well.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 October. It will be on all wikis from 6 October (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 4 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
Tidy will be replaced. Instead the HTML 5 parsing algorithm will be used to clean up bad HTML in wikitext. This would cause problems on a number of wikis. They need to be fixed first. [108]
<slippymap> will not work on Wikivoyage after 24 October. You should use <mapframe> instead. If you need help to fix this before 24 October you should ask for it as soon as possible. [109]
Proposition for upgrading the default copyright license for Wikimedia projects to CC-by-SA 4.0 (does not affect the structured data part of Wikidata, which uses CC0).
More work on automated sitelinks for Wiktionary (phabricator:T987)
More work on federation for Commons in order to be able to use Wikidata's items and properties there (phabricator:T76007)
Adding entity usage information in action=edit on Wikipedia and co (phabricator:T144921)
Working on making it possible to get formatted values back on the client. With this we will for example link the value to a Wikipedia article where possible. (phabricator:T142940)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
You can show Special:RecentChanges on a page by using {{Special:RecentChanges}}. You can now use tag filters by using {{Special:RecentChanges/tagfilter=tagname}}. [110]
The notification badge is coloured if you have notifications. When you check the notification the badge will now turn grey on all wikis instead of just the local one. [111]
Colours used in the Wikimedia wikis' main interface changed slightly. This is to make them easier to see for readers and editors with reduced eyesight. [112]
Changes this week
Hidden HTML comments will be more visible when you edit with the visual editor. <!-- You write hidden HTML comments like this. -->[113]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 October. It will be on all wikis from 13 October (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 11 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Language converter syntax will soon no longer work inside external links. Wikitext like http://-{zh-cn:foo.com; zh-hk:bar.com; zh-tw:baz.com}- must be replaced. You will have to write -{zh-cn: http://foo.com ; zh-hk: http://bar.com ; zh-tw:http://baz.com }- instead. This only affects languages with Language Converter enabled. Examples of such languages are Chinese and Serbian. [114]
The postcard was delivered yesterday and my friends love it. For some reason mine is still on the way, may deliver by tomorrow. Thx again for ur help.--DreamLinerTalk00:56, 17 October 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Editing News #3—2016
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Did you know that you can easily re-arrange columns and rows in the visual editor?
Select a cell in the column or row that you want to move. Click the arrow at the start of that row or column to open the dropdown menu (shown). Choose either "Move before" or "Move after" to move the column, or "Move above" or "Move below" to move the row.
You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has mainly worked on a new wikitext editor. They have also released some small features and the new map editing tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the list of work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, releasing the 2017 wikitext editor as a beta feature, and improving language support.
Invisible templates have been shown as a puzzle icon. Now, the name of the invisible template is displayed next to the puzzle icon.[116] A similar feature will display the first part of hidden HTML comments.[117]
Categories are displayed at the bottom of each page. If you click on the categories, the dialog for editing categories will open.[118]
At many wikis, you can now add maps to pages. Go to the Insert menu and choose the "Maps" item. The Discovery department are adding more features to this area, like geoshapes. You can read more on MediaWiki.org.[119]
The "Save" button now says "Save page" when you create a page, and "Save changes" when you change an existing page.[120] In the future, the "Save page" button will say "Publish page". This will affect both the visual and wikitext editing systems. More information is available on Meta.
Image galleries now use a visual mode for editing. You can see thumbnails of the images, add new files, remove unwanted images, rearrange the images by dragging and dropping, and add captions for each image. Use the "Options" tab to set the gallery's display mode, image sizes, and add a title for the gallery.[121]
Future changes
The visual editor will be offered to all editors at the remaining 10 "Phase 6" Wikipedias during the next month. The developers want to know whether typing in your language feels natural in the visual editor. Please post your comments and the language(s) that you tested at the feedback thread on mediawiki.org. This will affect several languages, including Thai, Burmese and Aramaic.
The team is working on a modern wikitext editor. The 2017 wikitext editor will look like the visual editor and be able to use the citoid service and other modern tools. This new editing system may become available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices in October 2016. You can read about this project in a general status update on the Wikimedia mailing list.
The Collaboration team is delighted to publish its first newsletter! Your feedback is welcome.
This quarter the team will focus on improving Special:RecentChanges and create a ReviewStream, a new feed designed to improve the edit-review process. Both are part of the new Edit Review Improvements project.
Documentation concerning Notifications types has been updated. That page is ready for translations. [122]
For developers, how to create a new Notification type has been updated. [123]
Tools owners will be notified when OAuth app changes state. [124]
When you edit text and mention a new username they are notified if you add your signature. Before this only happened under certain conditions. [125]
Users are notified if they are mentioned in a section where you add your own signature even if you edit more than one section. Before, users were not notified if you edited more than one section in one edit. [126]
Sometimes when you mention another user they don't get a notification. Now you can get a notification when you successfully send out a mention to someone or be told if they did not get a notification. This is an opt-in option in your preferences. [127][128]
On Notifications, the badge is colored if you have some notifications. If you see these notifications, the badge will turn grey on all wikis instead of just the local one. [129]
Problems
For some users, cross-wiki notifications haven't been working properly. The count has been wrong when only cross-wiki notifications were present. The cross-wiki bundle has been showing only the names of wikis and not the actual notifications. It has been fixed. [130][131]
When a title was created with some wikitext inside of it, Notifications were not linking that title when they were mentioned. This is now fixed. [132]
Some Notifications messages were not supporting {{GENDER:}}. This is now fixed. [133]
Future changes
On Special:Notifications, pages and counts related to disabled notification types will not be shown anymore. [134]
Flow is available as a Beta feature on Greek Wikipedia. [135]
A satisfaction survey was conducted concerning Flow in September 2016. Results will be published in December 2016. [136]
Wikitext interface for Flow is now using a monospaced font. [137]
It is now possible to moderate a Flow topic that have been resolved without re-opening it. [138]
It is now possible to watch and unwatch topics directly from the Notification panel. [139]
Problems
It is not possible to enable or disable Flow as a Beta feature on wikis where that option is available. This is under investigation. [140]
Some Flow messages were not supporting {{GENDER:}}. This is now fixed. [141]
Future changes
Communities that have Flow enabled manually on user talk pages will be asked to move on to a Beta feature activation to simplify the process. [142]
Notifications related to Flow will be grouped on your Notifications preferences. It will be easier to choose which Notifications you want to have from Flow. [143]
Informations about Edit Review Improvements project have been published. That page is ready for translations. [144]
ReviewStream feed product description is available. ReviewStream is a machine-readable feed that’s designed to be used by a variety of edit-review tools.
Some tests are done with users to refine the design of those filters. You can volunteer for such tests. [145]
Communities that already have ORESgoodfaith and damaging filters enabled will be contacted to try that change as a Beta feature. [146]
Miscellaneous
On that newsletter, some particular items are highlighted by an icon, to ease reading. The icon highlights items that may interest volunteer translators and the icon highlights items that are relevant for readers with technical knowledge.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Some users got a warning about Wikipedia's security certificate last week. This was because of a problem GlobalSign had. This has now been fixed. Only a small number of users got the warning. [147]
Editors couldn't edit semi-protected pages in the Wikipedia app for Android. This has now been fixed in the beta version. [148]
Changes this week
There will be no new MediaWiki version this week. [149]
Future changes
The Editing Department are working on a new wikitext editor. It will have tools that are in the visual editor but not in the wikitext editor today. You can read more about this. This is an early plan and things can change. The old wikitext editor will still exist.
Upcoming: Andy Mabbett speaking about Wikidata & running a GLAM-Wiki workshop at SFK 16 ("Software Freedom Kosova Conference") in Pristina, 21-23 October.
New template: d:Template:Poland properties. Please add labels in your own languages, and consider making a similar template for your country or region.
Development
Worked further on automatic linking of pages between Wiktionary language editions
Worked further on making it possible to use Wikidata's items and properties to describe files on Commons
Reviewed error messages and made them easier to understand
Added tooltips in some places in the UI to make them more understandable (e.g. ranks, special values)
Made the loading animation clearer in embedded query results (phabricator:T148042)
Making it possible to paste the full URL of an image on Commons into image properties (phabricator:T147917)
Worked on a small birthday present
Fixed run button not being reenabled after some queries (phabricator:T147114)
More work on better parser function and Lua functions that return formatted values (phabricator:T142940)
Undoing the last edit to an item will now show a undo summary, not a restore one (phabricator:T147631) Thanks Matěj!
Lule Sami and Pite Sami are now supported languages in Wikidata (phabricator:T146707)
Brainstormed about how to make it easier to write queries without knowing SPARQL
You are invited to a Wednesday evening event in SF
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Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
Hi folks,
Please copy and share this on other talk pages. We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather at the Wikimedia Foundation lounge to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.
We will have no meaty agenda this month, but we will allow a brief period for:
Maybe a focus on some topical election article editing with Ben?
Or, you can grab a couch, a booth, a stool or counter and do your own thing.
Please note: You shouldregister here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on future speakers or wiki-related activities.
PS: Mark your calendars ahead now for the last Wednesday in November, the 30th (the week after Thanksgiving), at 6 p.m. when our WikiSalon will host a super awesome top secret mystery guest mingling in our midst. We will announce specifics at the upcoming WikiSalon.
A lot of surprises, stories and presents will be shared between October 29th and November 4th. Check the project chat or the mailing-list every day to see what happens!
You can also participate by posting a story (more info here), a tweet with #WikidataBirthday, let a message or a present on the birthday page.
If you're participating to Wikidata's birthday, you can add this template to your user page.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
The abuse filters had a problem and caught too many edits. This has now been fixed. [150]
Changes this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from October 25. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from October 26. It will be on all wikis from October 27 (calendar).
The "Search" text in the search box will show the name of the project. For example, on Wikipedia it will say "Search Wikipedia". [151]
Some wikis that want numerical sorting in categories can also ask to use UCA to sort categories. The biggest difference is that characters with diacritics will be sorted together. For example, for most languages Ä will be sorted with A instead of at the end of the alphabet. This is not true for languages that have Ä as a character in their alphabet. Wikis that already use UCA are listed on Meta. Languages that can use UCA are listed on MediaWiki.org. You can test it.
Four new types of charts for the Query Service: line chart, bar chart, scatter chart and area chart (read more and try examples in the documentation) by Jonas
{{#statements:…}}, a new parser function is currently in development with better features that you can try on beta by the Wikidata dev team and volunteers
Search field added in Scholia, a tool to create scholarship profiles, by fnielsen
The birthday party is not finished yet, every day until November 4th you will discover new presents and stories. Follow the project chat or the mailing-list or #Wikidatabirthday to get the news!
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
Now you can include Commons video films with subtitles in your wiki language. Before you could see translated videos on file page at Commons only. [153]
The visual editor is now available on all wikis using only one language script. [155]
Changes this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 1st. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 2nd. It will be on all wikis from November 3rd (calendar).
Now you can use autocomplete for page names in "Preview page with this template (what's this?)" field when editing templates. [156]
Hi, Royroxas2. Any editor can revert vandalism. If it is 100% vandalism you can go to the page history and "undo" the edit. If it is partial vandalism you can simply edit the vandalized portion back to the way it was and save your edit. Put "revert vandalism" in your edit summary.
If you are going to be doing a lot of vandalism work, consider installing Twinkle which gives you easy access to to notify editors that they have performed vandalism - or you can just drop a friendly note on their Talk page. You still have to revert the vandalism, but Twinkle makes it easier to notify vandals. Also, Twinkle will add some extra links in the article history for doing rollbacks of Vandalism. Be careful with performing rollbacks as it will rollback the edit in question plus it will rollback all edits made after the vandalism, if there are any.
Thanks to everyone who celebrated the birthday by organizing or attending to an event, letting a message on Wikidata or on the social networks, writing a story or creating a present!
Here's the list of the birthday presents from the community and development team:
Four new types of charts for the Query Service: line chart, bar chart, scatter chart and area chart! Read more and try examples in the documentation (Jonas)
{{#statements:…}}, a new parser function is currently in development with better features: try it here! (Thiemo, Wikidata dev team and volunteers)
Search field added in Scholia, a tool to create scholarship profiles (fnielsen)
Technical documentation about Wikibase for PHP and JS scripts (Ladsgroup and Jonas)
new feature for the graph view in the Query Service: it can now browse the properties of items. see in the video (Jonas)
graph builder tool for the query service to create and export graphs (demo video) (Jonas, [[d:user:Smalyshev (WMF)|Smalyshev)
More work on federation in order to be able to use Wikidata's items and properties to describe media files on Wikimedia Commons in the future (phabricator:T149580)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 8th. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 9th. It will be on all wikis from November 10th (calendar).
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 8 November 2016 at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topics this week are Image Thumbnail API and allow SVG files uploaded on MediaWiki to have XHTML namespaces. The meeting will be on 9 November at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
RevisionSlider will be enabled by default on all beta wikis, on testwiki, testwiki2, mediawikiwiki and de.wikipedia.org. [164][165][166]
Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/The 50,000 Challenge
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You are invited to participate in the 50,000 Challenge, aiming for 50,000 article improvements and creations for articles relating to the United States. This effort began on November 1, 2016 and to reach our goal, we will need editors like you to participate, expand, and create. See more here!
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Hello, Checkingfax -- I was just reading the article about Irving Layton, after reading the article on Leonard Cohen, and I made a few copy-edits. I noticed that there are several external links in the article. I don't know what to do about them. I wonder if you could take a look at the article and do something. Thank you. – Corinne (talk) 18:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC)Reply
2fa page
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A new Wikidata PageRank dataset has been published. The dataset was computed in August 2016 and provides PageRank scores for 10,364,840 Wikidata entities.
Due to a possible hack, please consider resetting your passwords.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
When you edit with the visual editor you can use meta + shift + k to add a reference. The meta key is often the control key or command key. [167]
Changes this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 15. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 16. It will be on all wikis from November 17 (calendar).
In Special:Preferences you can choose which language menus and buttons will be in. If there is no translation for that language, MediaWiki has a list of fallback languages. A fallback language is a language many will understand better than English. MediaWiki will now use English when there is no Ukrainian translation. [168]
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 15 November at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Notifications concerning Flow are no longer all grouped together in your preferences. The "Edits to my talk page" category will now include Flow notifications about your user talk page (if your user talk page uses Flow), and the "Mentions" category will now include mentions on Flow pages. Previously, all notifications related to Flow were grouped together in the "Structured Discussion" category. [172]
The orange bar will now also be displayed when a message is posted on a your user talk page if your talk page uses Flow; previously, it was only displayed if you had a wikitext talk page. [173]
Parlement & Politiek ID (P1749) has been completed in Mix'n'match. Over 5000 politicians from the Netherlands (and also Belgium) now have a link to this resource
Unit conversion has been rolled out for the first dimension for a short while now.
Undo diffs now utilize language fallbacks for property and item labels (gerrit:315291). Thanks to Matěj Suchánek!
Reworked database schema for Cognate (the extension that will do automatic interwiki links for Wiktionary). It is still waiting for security review before it can be deployed.
Worked more on basic version of Lexeme entity type
Fixed a bug where the links on action=info where wrong (phabricator:T149598)
Getting close to finishing the groundwork for Federation so that in the future you'll be able to use Wikidata's items and properties to describe files on Commons.
Added Innu-aimun as a language for monolingual text values (phabricator:T151129)
Worked on linking to Wikipedia articles in the statements on an ArticlePlaceholder (phabricator:T113955)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
Administrators, bureaucrats, oversighters and checkusers can now use two-factor authentication. This makes their Wikimedia accounts more secure. This can be turned on in Special:Preferences. There are discussions on how to best turn it on for everyone. [174]
You can now search for file properties. For example you can search for media type, how big a file is or what resolution it has. [175]
A hacker group is hacking Wikimedia accounts. They can probably do this because users have the same passwords on Wikimedia wikis as on other sites. Please have a password you use only on the Wikimedia wikis and nowhere else. This is especially important for administrators, bureaucrats, oversighters and checkusers. These users can also turn on two-factor authentication. [176]
Changes this week
There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
RevisionSlider will be a default feature on German, Arabic and Hebrew Wikipedia. This will happen on 22 November. It will come to other wikis later. [177][178][179]
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 22 November at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
It will be possible to do cross-wiki search. The developers who work on this are looking for communities that want to test this. [180]
Hovercards will leave the beta stage. The Wikimedia Foundation Reading Web team wants communities to set Hovercards as a default option for readers who are not logged in. Communities that are interested can say so on the Hovercards talk page. [181]
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Hello, Checkingfax. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.
The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
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Hi Checkingfax,
The trouble with the entries for Jesse Cook et al. is that many editors don't seem to know what Flamenco is.
Briefly, it's the folk music of the Andalusian Gypsies, with a substantial non-Gypsy contribution also, and a less-substantial contribution from Latin America (estilos de ida y vuelta). All Flamenco may be classified by traditional styles, as the movements of Bach suites may be classified as minuets, sarabandes, courantes etc.
The Gypsy styles all fall broadly into the following forms: soleares, tientos, or seguiriyas; and the non-Gypsy styles are usually some form of fandango (with a few exceptions such as farruca). The rumba is only considered a flamenco form tangentially, and falls into the estilos de ida y vuelta category.
Corollary: albums consisting entirely of rumbas and/or vaguely-Spanish-sounding pieces are not Flamenco. Please note that I'm not saying they aren't good music. This includes all albums I've heard by Ottmar Liebert, Jesse Cook, and many others.
To those who disagree with me I say: listen to the album that started the whole thing, Fuente y caudal, which contains Paco de Lucía's big hit, the rumba Entre Dos Aguas. The other tracks are Flamenco!
(I should perhaps add that I was the flamenco correspondent for Classical Guitar magazine for twenty years, and for Guitar International for twelve years before that.)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes this week
When someone tries to log in to a blocked account they will be blocked by a cookie. This means their browser will be blocked even if they change their IP address. This makes it more difficult for returning vandals. [182]
When you use Content Translation to adapt a template to a new translation it will work differently. You can adapt big templates such as infoboxes. Translators will have control over the template parameters. A first version of this is released this week. It is possible it will not work correctly with all templates. There will be more updates for this soon. [183]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 November. It will be on all wikis from 1 December (calendar).
Gadgets will have a new option called "hidden". This means you can register gadgets that can't be turned on or off from the preferences page. Hiding gadgets was already possible by using [rights=hidden]. You should now use [hidden] instead. [rights=hidden] in old gadgets should be changed to [hidden]. [184][185]
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 29 November at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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Hello, Checkingfax -- I was just looking at the article on Tahiti, and I made a few copy-edits. I was reading the caption of an image showing a banknote, in the section Tahiti#Twentieth century to present. The caption reads:
A one-franc World War II banknote (1943), printed in Papeete, depicting the outline of Tahiti (rev).
I looked and looked at the image and could not find any outline of Tahiti, so I clicked on the image. Then I saw the reverse side of the banknote, which clearly shows the outline of Tahiti. Then I looked at the caption again, and saw "(rev)", which I suppose means on the reverse, but (a) not everyone will notice or realize that, and (b) what is the point of mentioning "depicting the outline of Tahiti" when one does not see the outline? I'm wondering if there is a way to show both sides of the banknote, and, if not, whether we should just take out "depicting the outline of Tahiti (rev)" from the caption. – Corinne (talk) 16:41, 29 November 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. The image wikilink had a purposeful CSS crop to remove the bottom half of the banknote. I removed that extra coding as you can see. I sized it to 1.8 times the normal thumbnail size. If you think that is too big you can downsize it by changing the 1.8 to whatever looks right to you, or you can remove the upright= parameter entirely. For accessibility reasons I removed the hard image sizing such as 400px or 500px, etc. from other images.
I feel that the graphical layout of this article is still a bit of a hot mess. Also, if I walked on any of your edits, feel free to restore them. Let me know what you think. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}18:36, 29 November 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for fixing the image, putting the reverse side of the image in, and writing a good caption. I reduced the size of the image to 1.1percent. I put "CE" after the years. "AD" is the only one for which the placement before or after the year is optional. All the others go after the years. Tahiti seems like a beautiful place. – Corinne (talk) 03:10, 30 November 2016 (UTC)Reply
A WikiConNA barnstar for you!
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WikiConference North America Barnstar
Thank you for the role you played at WikiConference North America 2016. This year's conference could not have been a success without your contributions and we hope you will continue to be involved in 2017. On behalf of WikiConference North America - Gamaliel (talk) 23:57, 29 November 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, Gamaliel. How lovely. I am truly humbled and it was an honor to work under you and y'all. You can count on me for 2017. For logistical reasons, I hope we return to the same venue next year. Please give me a heads up ping when I can assist. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:59, 8 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Tahiti rail
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Hello, Checkingfax -- Yesterday, I finished copy-editing Tahiti rail. It was quite well written to begin with, so I made only a few small copy-edits. I left a few comments at User talk:FunkMonk#Tahiti rail. I don't know what to say in reply to FunkMonk's reply to my point about the block quote. I agree that block quotes are normally indented from the left margin, with the indentation formed automatically by the template, but I think these block quote paragraphs are too far from the left margin, leaving too much white space under the image of the bird. What do you think? Can an adjustment be made so that the two paragraphs are not so far from the left margin? I kind of like the left-hand placement of the image. It balances the right-hand placement of a similar image at the beginning of the article. But I don't know what to do, other than making the image much smaller, which I don't think FunkMonk would like. Do you have any ideas? – Corinne (talk) 14:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC)Reply
Ah, were you talking about the white space under the image? I've been wondering about that too, but it has been much worse earlier. I personally don't have a problem with the indent on the left between the image and the text. FunkMonk (talk) 15:40, 30 November 2016 (UTC)Reply
Yes, FunkMonk, I was referring to the space under the image and to the left of the two paragraphs of the quote. It is a big white area. I think it's too big, but, other than moving the image, I don't know how to fix it. – Corinne (talk) 01:43, 1 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hmm, though I appreciate the effort, I must say I prefer the previous layout, with alternating images, and both the birds facing the text. Looks overcrowded to me now, and I'd rather have a little white space than that. FunkMonk (talk) 09:56, 8 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
FunkMonk I moved the image to the left by just changing it from thumb right to thumb left (thumb right is the default, I think, even if you don't write "right", but you have to specify "left"). The block quote starts before the text starts to wrap around the image, but I think that's all right. The colon at the end of the preceding paragraph makes it clear where the quote starts. What do you think? – Corinne (talk) 15:50, 8 December 2016 (UTC) P.S. Thank you, Checkingfax, for your help with this. – Corinne (talk) 15:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
If you don't mind, I'd like to ask the opinion of experienced copy-editor Miniapolis. Miniapolis, does a block quote actually have to look like a block, or like a brick? We've been trying to format a block quote that appears pretty close to an image that we'd like to keep at the left (to balance a similar image on the right). Which looks better to you, the two-paragraph block quote wrapping around the image (the way I left it) or as two actual blocks of text, but leaving a band of white space after the previous paragraph? (Before, when we started this, the white space was at the left margin, under the image. Now, the white space is between two paragraphs, just before the first paragraph of the quote.) – Corinne (talk) 15:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
The Fossasia Opentech Submit in Singapore is looking for speakers. If you're in the area and want to introduce attendees to Wikidata, feel free to send your application!
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Everyone can now see Special:UserRights. Previously only those who could change user rights could. Other users got an error message. [187]
ORES can now show how likely an edit is to be damaging to the wiki with different colours. This only works for languages that have trained ORES to recognize damaging edits. [188]
Changes this week
You will now see categories with 0 pages in Special:Categories. Previously you did not see empty categories there. [189]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 December. It will be on all wikis from 8 December (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 December at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Hello everyone, and welcome to the December 2016 GOCE newsletter. We had an October newsletter all set to go, but it looks like we never pushed the button to deliver it, so this one contains a few months of updates. We have been busy and successful!
Coordinator elections for the first half of 2017: Nominations are open for election of Coordinators for the first half of 2017. Please visit the election page to nominate yourself or another editor, and then return after December 15 to vote. Thanks for participating!
September Drive: The September drive was fruitful. We set out to remove July through October 2015 from our backlog (an ambitious 269 articles), and by the end of the month, we had cut that pile of oldest articles to just 83. We reduced our overall backlog by 97 articles, even with new copyedit tags being added to articles every day. We also handled 75% of the remaining Requests from August 2016. Overall, 19 editors recorded copy edits to 233 articles (over 378,000 words).
October Blitz: this one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 16 through 22 October; the theme was Requests, since the backlog was getting a bit long. Of the 16 editors who signed up, 10 editors completed 29 requests. Barnstars and rollover totals are located here. Thanks to all editors who took part.
November Drive: The November drive was a record-breaker! We set out to remove September through December 2015 from our backlog (239 articles), and by the end of the month, we had cut that pile of old articles to just 66, eliminating the two oldest months! We reduced our overall backlog by 523 articles, to a new record low of 1,414 articles, even with new tags being added to articles every day, which means we removed copy-editing tags from over 800 articles. We also handled all of the remaining Requests from October 2016. Officially, 14 editors recorded copy edits to 200 articles (over 312,000 words), but over 600 articles, usually quick fixes and short articles, were not recorded on the drive page.
Housekeeping note: we do not send a newsletter before every drive or blitz. To have a better chance of knowing when the next event will start, add the GOCE's message box to your Watchlist.
Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Corinne and Tdslk.
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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
It is with great sadness that we share the news of the passing of User:Coyau. He was a very active editor on Wikidata and the other Wikimedia projects. He will be deeply missed by his friends and family but his great work on open culture will stay. Feel free to browse and share his work. Thanks Guillaume for this message.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
Users who have Yahoo email addresses could not use Special:EmailUser to send emails. This has now been fixed. Emails will now come from a @wikimedia.org address. Users who get an email from you will still reply to your email address and be able to see it. [190]
You can now see how many categories and pages there are in the categories in Special:TrackingCategories. This is to help you find pages that could need attention. [191]
Because of work on cross-wiki watchlistsglobal renaming is not working. The plan is to turn it on again on 16 December. Global renaming was turned off for a while in late November and early December as well. [193]
Changes this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 December. It will be on all wikis from 15 December (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on December 13 at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Bay Area WikiSalon series: Everybody is invited this Wednesday evening at 6
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Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki and open-source enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.
Before and after the brief presentation we allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks.
In addition, this month we will have:
a brief presentation from User:Cullen328 (Jim Heaphy) about the Wikipedia Teahouse
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P.S. Any help spreading the word through social media or other avenues is most welcome! We plan to announce this on
various sites and invite various groups; if you would like to join in, check
our meta planning page, and please note any announcements you are sending out:
meta:Monthly WikiSalon in San Francisco#Announcements and promotion
Please feel free to add to, refine, reorganize or edit the above linked page: it is a wiki!
We need more helpers and organizers, so if you see a need, please jump in, or talk to us about it! You can add your username to the meta page where appropriate, or create a new role!
A decision has been made about how the Recent Changes filtering scheme will affect current ORES beta feature users. When this new filtering system rolls out as part of the beta, it will replace the current ORES display on the Recent Changes page. That means the automatic color coding, the red “r” symbol and the “hide probably good edits” filter will go away, to be replaced by the new, more nuanced set of filters and user-defined color coding. All other pages that have ORES features, like Watchlist and Related Changes, will remain as they are now for ORES beta users. We think those pages could also benefit from the new filtering system. But we'll wait to see how users react to the beta test—and make any necessary changes—before we start spreading the new UI around. That's the plan as it currently stands. As always, please let us know if you have any thoughts, in any language.
Due to a bug, it was not possible to activate Flow on user talk pages as a Beta feature. This is possible again for wikis that have that feature. [196]
Flow boards can be moved without constraints. However, this requires the move-Flow-board right. [197]
Miscellaneous
The MoodBar extension has been removed from all wikis. [198]
Basque language Wikipedia develops a most prominent basque and worlwide person born/death in this day for all the day related articles. For example, eu:Abenduaren 19. It also displays interesting red links for people born and dead that day that are not represented in eu:wp.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Tech News
Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 9 January 2017.
The writers of the technical newsletter are asking for your opinion. Did you get the information you wanted this year? Did we miss important technical news in 2016? What kind of information was too late? Please tell us! You can write in your language. Thank you!
Recent changes
Administrators and translation administrators can now use Special:PageLanguage on wikis with the Translate extension. This means you can say what language a page is in. The Translate extension will use that language as the source language when you translate. Previously this was always the wiki's default language. This was usually English. [199]
Wikis connected to Wikidata can now use the parser function {{#statements: }} to get formatted data. You can also use {{#property: }} to get raw data. You can see the difference between the two statements. There are also similar new functions in Lua. [200]
Problems
Some abuse filters for uploaded files have not worked as they should. We don't know exactly which filters didn't work yet. This means some files that filters should have prevented from being uploaded were uploaded to the wikis. MediaWiki.org and Testwiki have been affected since 13 October. Commons and Meta have been affected since 17 October. Other wikis have been affected since 17 November. [201]
Changes this week
There is no new MediaWiki version this week. There will be no new MediaWiki version next week either.
Meetings
The next meeting with the VisualEditor team will be on 3 January at 20:00 (UTC). During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. See how to join.
Reminder invitation to the December Bay Area WikiSalon
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Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
Hi, everybody.
We are excited to remind you of the ninth in the Bay Area WikiSalon series that is coming up this Wednesday evening at 6 p.m.
Details (RSVP suggested) here (RSVP helps us know how much food and drink to bring in)
What is a WikiSalon? A monthly safe and inclusive meatspace event conducted in organized chaos and we all clean up the mess afterwards. Livestream links for the presentation are available during presentation months, and will be forthcoming for those of you that cannot attend. December is a presentation month.
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Hi, y'all.
In case you missed it and want to watch the archive reel; the topic was The Wikipedia Teahouse and the presenter was well respected Wikimedian Jim Heaphy [[User:Cullen328]]
Archive link (also includes intro, announcements, and a lightning talk)
Details about Bay Area WikiSalon for December here
The full title of Jim's presentation was: Welcoming and Helping New Editors: A Month at the Wikipedia Teahouse: an overview of the Teahouse and an analysis of over 300 Teahouse conversations during the month of August, 2016
PS: Mark your calendars now for Sunday, January 15 at 2 p.m. which will be Wikipedia's 16th Birthday party hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon! Details to follow soon. If you want to help plan it, get in touch with us ASAP!
"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end And sickness nor sorrow don't find you." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. Montanabw(talk) 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello WikiWikiWayne: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, ~~~~
Hi, Rosie. This is very sweet and I really appreciate receiving it. Hey, welcome back to California. I want to give you a heads-up that Bay Area WikiSalon is hosting a Wikipedia Day 16 on Sunday, January 15 starting at 2 p.m. in the Chip Deubner Lounge on the 5th floor of the WMF offices on New Montgomery ST in SF. Hope you can come! Got any ideas to make it fun and educational?
Here's to a bright New Year and a fond farewell to the old; here's to the things that are yet to come, and to the memories that we hold. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:39, 4 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Hi, SuperHamster. A thousand thanks for this greeting. You are a great person and a megaPedian, and I humbled to receive this celebratory salutation from you! I have learned much from you. Carry on! سال نو مبارک Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:13, 4 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Wikidata weekly summary #242
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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
You are invited to a birthday bash to Celebrate Wikipedia's 16th Birthday!
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Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
Wikipedia Day 16 SF is a fun Birthday bash and edit-a-thon on Sunday, January 15, 2017, hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon at the Wikimedia Foundation's Chip Deubner Lounge in the South of Market Street business district.
PS: We need volunteers to help make this a fun and worthwhile event. Please add your name to the Project page, and what you can offer. It is a wiki, so please make direct edits to the page.
Bay Area WikiSalon usually meets the last Wednesday evening of every month as an inclusive and safe place to collaborate, mingle, munch and learn about new projects and ideas.
Hi, Mathglot. Thank you for the heads-up. Here is the correct link, as you probably already deduced. I always mess up something. I will see what kind of damage control I can do. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:25, 13 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
This week, most of the developers are at the Dev Summit hacking stuff and doing great things!
Continued working on "federation" – support for multiple Wikibase repositories (phab:T76007)
New dimensions for unit conversion in the query service (phab:T150881)
Fixed a timing issue that can happen when using the property suggester (phab:T115267)
Still investigating an issue in which the "save" button stays disabled, as reported in December
We may remove the sliding animation when using the date, geo, monolingual, and quantity experts (gerrit:330145). The preview popup may now cover parts of the page. Please try it at wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org and tell us what you think on our contact page.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
When you update a page with translations on wikis with the Translate extension the existing translations will be marked as outdated instead of removed. [203]
The new version of MediaWiki was released to all wikis last week (calendar).
MoodBar has been removed from the Wikimedia wikis. [204]
The live option for the Tipsy notice tool has been removed. Gadgets and user scripts which use it need to be updated. [205]
Problems
Editors who use Firefox 50 might get logged out or fail to save their edits. This is because of a browser bug. Until this is fixed you can enter about:config in the address bar and set network.cookie.maxPerHost to 5000. Firefox 50 is the current version of the Firefox. [206]
Reminder invitation to the Wikipedia Day 16 birthday bash & edit-a-thon
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Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
Wikipedia Day 16 SF is a fun Birthday bash and edit-a-thon on Sunday, January 15, 2017, hosted by
Bay Area WikiSalon at the Wikimedia Foundation's Chip Deubner Lounge in the South of Market Street business district and everybody is invited!
PS: We still need more volunteers to help make this a fun and worthwhile event. Please add what you can offer and your name to the Project page or Talk about it. It is a wiki, so please make direct edits to the Project page. The event is already growing due to volunteers that have stepped up so far.
Bay Area WikiSalonmeets one evening of every month as an inclusive and safe place to collaborate, mingle, munch or learn about new projects and ideas.
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I know I asked you this before, probably on my talk page, and you replied, but I can't find the discussion, so I've got to ask you again. I asked whether you could use the en-dash template, or the no-break-space template, after a pipe in a wiki-link. I thought you said I could, but I recently saw an edit in which you removed one that I had placed. I'd appreciate clarification on this. – Corinne (talk) 14:56, 16 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. Nice to hear from you. Templates *do* work after the pipe, but my experience is that a template before the pipe will break the wikilink, making the wikilink into a red link.
As an aside, templates nested within citation templates will pollute the COiNS capability of the citation template, so therefore, templates should not be nested inside of citation templates. Having fun. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:02, 16 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Corinne. I am sorry that the TP thread deteriorated into biteyness. Please provide me with a diff for my edit where I walked on your fine edits - and then failed to fix my mess. I do sincerely apologize for the mistakes and I will graciously restore your work. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}18:42, 17 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
contributions via app?
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Hi, Melamrawy (WMF). That is good stuff that I was unaware of and I am grateful to you for reaching out to me about it. I will try to dig into it when I get caught up. Cheers! PS: Cullen328 is a power user and advocate of mobile Wikipedia engagement. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}18:03, 17 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
video2commons was down for two weeks. This was because of a problem with Commons video transcoders. It is now back up. [208]
Changes this week
There is a new magic word called {{PAGELANGUAGE}}. It returns the language of the page you are at. This can be used on wikis with more than one language to make it easier for translators. [209]
When an admin blocks a user or deletes or protects a page they give a reason why. They can now get suggestions when they write. The suggestions will be based on the messages in the dropdown menu. [210]
You will be able to use <chem> to write chemical formulas. Before you could use <ce>. <ce> should be replaced by <chem>. [211]
The "Columns" and "Rows" settings will be removed from the Editing tab in Preferences. If you wish to keep what the "Rows" setting did you can add this code to your personal CSS: #wpTextbox1 { height: 50em; } You can change the number 50 to make it look like you want to. [213]
Sometimes edits in MediaWiki by mistake are shown coming from private IP addresses such as 127.0.0.1. Edits and other contributions logged to these IP addresses will be blocked and shown the reason from MediaWiki:Softblockrangesreason. This should not affect most users. Bots and other tools running on Wikimedia Labs, including Tool Labs will receive a "blocked" error if they try to edit without being logged in. [214]
When you edit with the visual editor categories will be on the top of the page options menu. [215]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 January. It will be on all wikis from 19 January (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on January 17 at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Thank you, Funcrunch and Dicklyon. I really appreciate your acknowledgement of my efforts and I truly appreciate your support of Bay Area WikiSalon and your participation/input/effort. See you onwiki and in meatspace. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}18:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
The Signpost: 17 January 2017
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Attended the Wikimedia Developer Summit to talk about a lot of things (including editing Wikidata from Wikipedia directly, back-end work for structured data support for Commons - specifically Multi Content Revisions, ideas for improvements to the query service)
Final touches to get ArticlePlaceholder pages ready for search engine indexing
Continued working on "federation" – support for multiple Wikibase repositories (phab:T76007)
Clickable prototype for client editing is finally in the works!
Regarding recent refactoring/deletion in my user space
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Checkingfax, the following has been transcribed here from User:Jmabel's talkpage so as to make clear for the record that you have been informed of the discussion.
[Perhaps Checkingfax and Wikicology might be so kind as to consider and take note of the following as well.]
Please explain what's going on with quote removal on my talkpage. It's my initial feeling that if someone has an issue with something left on my talkpage they need to be communicating such as a request—with context and explanation—to me directly in some manner (such as leaving a message on my talkpage and/or a 'pinging' me from another talkpage). I was considering transcribing the whole thread over to Commons ... So having the thread turned into a 'moving target' by others (without the courtesy of direct communication to me) felt disorientating and distracting. It seems reasonable to expect to have some input into how such gets handled on one's own talkpage, yes?
For example perhaps a bracketed "[A quote formerly in place here was redacted upon request.]" line left in place with the original signature and timestamp might have served to better preserve historical accuracy. But I wasn't given an opportunity in advance to suggest such—or anything else—and instead was just left to address the alteration (or not) myself after-the-fact ... <sigh> ...
If someone else would like to copy the whole thread from my talkpage over to an appropriate thread on Commons and then leave a link appended to the thread on my page noting such ("Discussion continued at ...", etc.) please feel free to do so. As the thread deals with confirming and/or establishing Commons policy it likely should, in retrospect, have taken place there in the first place—perhaps on the discussion page of the file in question. I was planning to copy the thread to Commons with a neatly placed and titled 'collapse top/bottom' template preceded by an introductory line or few and then follow from there with further thoughts/replies/policy research (feel free to consider such as a suggestion at this point; I'm going to divert my attention elsewhere for awhile).
--Kevjonesin (talk) 03:23, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Wikicology is apparently banned from the English-language Wikipedia. I'm the one who originally copied his remark there. He requested (on the thread I posted a link to right after I removed the copied remark) that I remove it, presumably because he doesn't want to be seen as trying to evade the ban by having someone else post his remarks on his behalf. - Jmabel | Talk04:11, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Jmabel, I don't see "presumably because he doesn't want to be seen as trying to evade the ban by having someone else post his remarks on his behalf" as presenting a problem on my talkpage. You clearly conveyed that you were quoting a public record from elsewhere and indicated that it was you who had done so by signing and dating your comment. If Wikicology wishes to ping me on Commons or leave a message on my talkpage there explaining why they wish me to refactor 'my'* talkpage they're welcome to do so. In the meantime, I'll be restoring your quote-comment that was removed as at present I prefer to let it stand for the record as originally posted. Oh, and, BTW, FWIW, User:Checkingfax followed having been tagged above by making yet another unauthorized deletion at my talkpage. At present I'm inclined to respond to any further unauthorized mucking about in my userspace by initiating administrative action.
*[note: I'm aware my oversight of the User:Kevjonesin namespace is technically a privilege extended by Jimbo Wales, the Wikimedia Foundation, and to some extent the Wikimedia community at large rather than true 'ownership' per se; however, so far as I'm aware it's a matter of both custom and policy/guidelines to extend fairly broad authority to editors over their own user namespace excepting instances where other explicitly stated policy may supersede. At this time I feel inclined to exercise the authority I've been given, such as it is, rather than risk further erosion by rude indifference. I may eventually be open to considering written requests for future changes to be made with the understanding that such may only be implemented either by me or in some manner having received my explicit personal approval, in advance, on a case-by-case basis.]
[Also note: Hosting a Commons policy discussion on my Wikipedia talkpage was initiated by KDS4444 who also took it upon themself to invite others to come and join in. As I've already indicated, I think the relevant file discussion-page at Commons would have made for a more appropriate venue. Especially now that some of the guests to my talkpage have repeatedly shown discourtesy by 'failing to use their turn signals' – ie. by failing to offer me explicit cues and consultation before implementing anomalous actions on my page – and have done so apparently based largely on some dialog on another Wiki with another user, Wikicology, who has not chosen to communicate directly with me at all. Instead they've made use of proxies to extend their will from afar. Which seems quite ironic to me as fear of being perceived as 'using proxies to influence en:Wikipedia' has been presented above as an excuse for doing just that. A grand example of self-fulfilling prophecy!]
Please see commons:User_talk:Kevjonesin#Your_talk_page., where Wikicology has clarified that I understood his intent correctly. This is a situation where it is impossible to make everyone happy. You and he are making conflicting demands. My edits to your talk page did not effectively remove information from the discussion: they turned a copy into a link. That seemed to be the closest I could come to accommodating you both. When I made originally copied the remarks, I had no idea Wikicology was banned from the English-language wikipedia. Similarly, he presumably will not be following our discussion here, and certainly cannot respond here. I personally have no problem with you restoring the quotation from him (and certainly no problem with you restoring me saying he's dead wrong), but do be aware that in restoring it you are going against his express request. - Jmabel | Talk15:29, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
It's my understanding that one's contributions to Wikimedia sites (including to talkpage discussions) are by default considered contributions to the public domain. I'll deal with Wikicology on Commons when and as I see fit.
Jmabel as you yourself have indicated you were not acting upon the direction of Wikicology when you originally posted the quote in question to my en.Wikipedia user talkpage. However; again as you yourself have indicated, you were acting on behalf of Wikicology – a user banned from en.Wikipedia for—in short—disruptive and erratic editing and deemed untrustworthy and inconsistent by arbcom – when you chose to refactor the comment on my en.Wikipedia user talkpage; as was Checkingfax when he refactored the same comment previous to you (contrary to the very talkpage guidelines he linked in his edit summary wherein he offered vague 'acronym salad' rather than straightforward elaboration as to what had prompted his edit). You both performed an edit to my userspace at en.Wikipedia in response to a request from an indefinitely banned user made upon another Wiki without advance discussion with me or anyone else here on en.Wikipedia, correct? I am befuddled why you both seem to have felt such urgency to extend a courtesy to a self declared banned user speaking from another site, yet have not shown willingness to extend courtesy to me—an active en.Wikipedia editor in good standing—by by for instance including me in deciding how to respond to a request made elsewhere by a banned user regarding refactoring my own talkpage. Checkingfax made a third-party drive by edit without so much as a 'howdy-do', which I reverted, and then you, Jmabel, presumed to revert my reversion on my own talkpage without advance notice or consultation. Is it any wonder that I'm feeling abused and disrespected at this point? Would either of you appreciate it if I (or another editor) presumed to supersede you in your namespace? I reiterate, why have y'all held Wikicology's "express request" to be so urgent and important here on en.Wikipedia while brushing off my interest in being included in shaping my own namespace? I should hope it's clear by now that I feel I've been rudely disregarded in this matter; something along the lines of, "Oops, sorry I stepped on your toes, I'll try to be more careful in the future", would go a long way towards helping me put this to rest. --Kevjonesin (talk) 21:51, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
My initial edit was indeed not at Wikicology's request: it was an effort to comply with User:KDS4444's request at commons:Village pump/Copyright "please respond either at the Village Pump or, ideally, on the talk page of one of the participants here rather than start another thread here at the copyright section of Commons." At the time, I had no idea why Wikicology nonetheless put his comment right there in the copyright section of Commons (in particular, I had no idea he was banned on en-wiki.), so I had no idea that anyone might consider my copying it to the requested location other than constructive. Once I was told (by Wikicology) about Wikicology's ban I tried to remedy my mistake. Again: I replaced a quotation with a link, there was no loss of information. And, again, if you want to leave the quote there despite his wishes, then that doesn't concern me. Of course I'll try to be careful in the future. - Jmabel | Talk22:27, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
(Goodness, all I was trying to do was create a centralized venue for a discussion— I did not figure it mattered greatly where it took place, so long as it did not take place in three different places. If that resulted in intrusion, then I am very sorry. I did not consider the decision of where to hold the discussion as at all relevant, I just wanted to have the discussion! KDS4444 (talk) 06:26, 21 January 2017 (UTC))Reply
Jmabel, you seem to have again missed my point. The quality of your rationale for reverting on my talkpage is not what I bring into question, but rather whether it was properly your place to do so on your own without consulting me in the first place, regardless of rationale. You lost sight of context, you forgot your surroundings (or so I give you the benefit-of-the-doubt, perhaps in fact you and Checkingfax simply hold no respect for en.Wikipedia customs regarding deference to users in regards to decisions about their own namespace). Whichever it may be, as I now feel you both have been rude guests, and appear to me unapologetic for having done so, I say "Sully my doorstep no more!" (ie.Jmabel and Checkingfax I, Kevjonesin, formerly request that you have no more interaction with my namespace at en.Wikipedia; henceforth do not post to, comment on, or otherwise edit User talk:Kevjonesin without explicit invitation by me to do so). --Kevjonesin (talk) 12:27, 21 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
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Checkingfax I, Kevjonesin, formerly request that you have no more interaction with my namespace at en.Wikipedia; henceforth do not post to, comment on, or otherwise edit User talk:Kevjonesin without explicit invitation by me to do so.
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-- BullRangifer (talk) 01:10, 18 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
. I see you did some very nice work on the article, and I sent you some thanks. Hope to contribute to it a bit later, as well. very best wishes, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 18:23, 10 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
You are invited to join the discussion at User:titusfox/RPG. A New Turn has begun! Thanks. TF { Contribs } { Edit Quest! } 15:06, 17 December 2015 (UTC)Template:Z48Reply
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Facepalm. Also, commenting out the names in any replies seems lame since the source code shows up anyway when you click on a Notification and click on Show changes (which is the way I usually pick up Notifications). Are you going to play? Cheers! 
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