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:I would be flabbergasted if this sort of request received anything but disdain (for wasting his/her time) from a normal Wikipedia editor. What, precisely is the offense committed? Editing? Editing in a manner that one user doesn't like? Critically, I note that there is no evidence provided regarding what [[WP:CONSENSUS]] is. In addition, the complaining user is displaying his routine assumption of bad faith, in the statement that Tobby and I are "tag-teaming." Let me argue this time by example: When Marek and another editor edit in a similar POV and in closely spaced time, as takes place very frequently in the Ukraine articles, I don't accuse them of tag-teaming. Why don't I? Because (1) I assume good faith, and (2) I have no evidence that they are tag-teaming. Marek should learn from my example.

:But really it just seems useless to point out to Marek that the assumption of good faith is a core principle here. I mean, just look at his '''this is ridiculous''' [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2014_Ukrainian_revolution#Ok.2C_this_is_ridiculous]. The entire entry is essentially 'I accuse you of bad faith' in every variation I can think of.

In conclusion, obviously Volunteer Marek is putting a lot of effort into pushing me and other editors who do not share his point of view away from editing Ukraine-related articles. This is part of a long-standing practice on his and like-minded editors part, and the results are horribly POV Ukraine-related articles. He and like-minded editors do this through these repetitive, hostile, and time-wasting appeals for administrative action, through creating extremely toxic, abusive-language filled and bad-faith-assuming environments on talk pages, and by reverting even the most innocuous edits by editors who do not share their POV. I suggest surveying his style and behavior and applying sanctions on Marek in order to deter his worst excesses. He seems otherwise seems completely out of control and perhaps getting even more anti-Wikipedian in his games playing.[[User:Haberstr|Haberstr]] ([[User talk:Haberstr|talk]]) 16:47, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

:In conclusion, obviously Volunteer Marek is putting a lot of effort into pushing me and other editors who do not share his point of view away from editing Ukraine-related articles. This is part of a long-standing practice on his and like-minded editors part, and the results are horribly POV Ukraine-related articles. He and like-minded editors do this through these repetitive, hostile, and time-wasting appeals for administrative action, through creating extremely toxic, abusive-language filled and bad-faith-assuming environments on talk pages, and by reverting even the most innocuous edits by editors who do not share their POV. I suggest surveying his style and behavior and applying sanctions on Marek in order to deter his worst excesses. He seems otherwise seems completely out of control and perhaps getting even more anti-Wikipedian in his games playing.[[User:Haberstr|Haberstr]] ([[User talk:Haberstr|talk]]) 16:47, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I also want to add that when I wrote ""the US State Dept hacks '''or whatever'''" I was responding supportively to a comment by -2601:8:BD80:F3F:5DC0:D1D:DA5C:47E9' that was by the following bad faith, insulting and completely irrelevant remark by Volunteer Marek: '''"WP:NOTAFORUM. RT TV comments section is over that way."''' -2601:8:BD80:F3F:5DC0:D1D:DA5C:47E9 was obviously upset by the rude and disparaging comment and responded rudely himself. I am also sorry I got caught up in that cycle of insults started by Marek.[[User:Haberstr|Haberstr]] ([[User talk:Haberstr|talk]]) 17:18, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

:The offenses are:

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:*Failing to discuss proposed changes in good faith, but instead repeating the same suggestion, already rejected by [[WP:Consensus]] (as noted by [[User:Iryna Harpy]]) over and over and over again. And when that fails on one article moving onto another article and doing the exact same thing.

:That's just quickly off the top of my head.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 16:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Volunteer, please note I have expanded my comments immediately above your latest comment. On your latest comment, I and I think Ed or whoever is considering your request would appreciate links to what has offended you in recent days. That will support an evidence-based discussion. Otherwise, at this stage all I can say is, "No, I didn't do any of that."[[User:Haberstr|Haberstr]] ([[User talk:Haberstr|talk]]) 17:18, 6 April 2015 (UTC)