User talk:Paper9oll - Wikipedia

Regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kim_Joo-ryoung&oldid=prev&diff=1161961945&markasread=284414296&markasreadwiki=enwiki

I strongly disagree with calling all streaming series “web series”, because streaming services like Netflix are predominantly accessed on television sets, then on mobile apps, not via web browser.

Additionally, to me, “web series” has a connotation of low-budget content or of content made as ancillary to a “main” product like a film, TV series, or ad campaign.

Of course, it’s debatable whether there should be any distinction between a TV series first released on broadcast or cable, vs one first released on a streaming platform, especially as the traditional broadcast/cable networks have all launched streaming services of their own. I’d probably just merge the two lists to “TV series” and call it a day.

Anyhow, I changed both instances back to “streaming”. (I wish you’d originally just corrected the instance I had overlooked, rather than tersely reverting my well-reasoned and explained edit.)

Regards, — tooki (talk) 14:57, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Tooki I strongly disagree with your explanation. And also, what on earth is this "streaming services like Netflix are predominantly accessed on television sets, then on mobile apps, not via web browser" even based on (not a question btw), not as far as I'm aware of such. You yourself (whether it's true or false, isn't my concern) watching on television and/or mobile isn't a valid reasons to push your POV into the article. Netflix or alike is accessible by connecting to the internet and/or World Wide WEB (WWW) hence using the term "web" is correct, try plugging out the ethernet cable and/or disconnecting from the WiFi, I guess one can watch Netflix or alike on television magically without such technology in 2023. In addition, the formatting is consistent with tons of other Korean BLPs articles here hence I don't see why the disruption to the established status quo. As far as I'm aware of, you have no consensus to change it, in fact, per WP:BRD you shouldn't have reverted including after couple of months past. — 🎄🎆 Paper9oll 🎆🎄 (🔔 • 📝) 15:38, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Dear Paper9oll,

First of all, I kindly ask that you restrain your tone. It was likely unintended, but you came off as quite dismissive and condescending. While I am sure that you are acting in good faith, I believe your conclusions are incorrect, so allow me to go into why:

1. ”Internet” and “Web” are not synonyms. The Web is part of the Internet, but the Internet is much more than the Web. You’re only using the Web when using a Web browser. This is not the case when viewing via a TV (using its Netflix app), settop box (using its Netflix app), streaming stick (using its Netflix app), or using the Netflix mobile app on a phone or tablet. When you access Netflix via app (whether on TV, settop box, stick, or mobile device), you are using the Internet, but you are not using the Web.
2. The overwhelming majority (about 71%) of Netflix viewing (by number of viewers) is done on television sets (about 45%) or mobile apps (about 27%). Comparatively little of it (about 22%) is done via Web browser. This is not an assumption or guess, nor “POV” based on my own preferences, but rather based on actual viewing statistics: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1233952/devices-netflix-tv-shows-us/ with which I was familiar before making the edit.
3. The page Squid Game, which will have had vastly more editing (and thus consensus) than the actress’s page, calls it a “television series”. (As I said in my original message, it’s debatable whether streaming series should even be distinct from traditional TV series. The pages for other series that had their first (or only) run on Netflix quite consistently call them “television series”, “streaming series”, or “streaming television series”. These should be indicative of dominant terminology in English.)

As such, calling Squid Game a “Web series” seems very inappropriate given that:

1. it is 3.5x as likely to be watched without use of the Web.
2. it is typically referred to as a “television series” or “streaming series” (or simply “series”).
3. it is not a “Web series” in the new-media sense.

Consequently, would you accept me simply changing it to “television series” and merging the existing TV and Web filmography lists under the heading “Television” or “Series”?

As far as the perceived procedural errors you’re accusing me of:

• Consistency between pages is not a reason to maintain poor terminology. Another option is to propagate the improvement across to those other pages.
• Prior consensus is not required before making changes, especially ones as small as this. My edit was a legitimate good-faith edit, and my re-edit equally so. In both cases I provided a full explanation for the edit, in contrast with the terse, vague edit summaries you provided when reverting them.
• Reaching consensus includes “an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns”, but I do not feel you’ve made sufficient effort to address my concerns, since you simply dismissed them as “POV” or “true or false, isn’t my concern”.
• WP:BRD is not mandatory, as its own page explains. My approach fell into one of the alternatives listed on that page.

As I believe that this response more than thoroughly explains why my edit was justified, and I ask that you back down and allow me to make the proposed edit without further interference. If you do not agree, kindly copy this discussion into the article’s talk page for broader discussion.

— tooki (talk) 18:57, 6 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Paper9oll,

I was looking at Yeh Shu-Hua and don't see this term or name mentioned on the target article. What is the connection between Paper9oll and this musical group? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Liz Full name for (G)I-dle's member Shuhua. See Google search result. And what you meant by connection between me and this musical group, typo? — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)Reply