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Line 219: ::Hmm, I just noticed that it was you who listed this at [[WP:AN/RFC]], with the request, '' Need an admin to review and close''. So, I guess what you really meant was, ''Need an admin who agrees with me to review and close''. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 17:20, 22 August 2019 (UTC) :::Yes, I did request an admin closure and shame on you for that hurtful and unwarranted comment. The dog topic is a problem topic area because of the misunderstandings about what constitutes a RS and what WP:V actually means when a source is questionable. As you probably noticed, one of of the Keep ivoters was a sock, the other was blocked for 30+ hrs for disruption and aspersions, and I was forced to file at ANI because of the name calling, aspersions, misinformation and misunderstandings involving advocates and socks. And now you've gone and said what you said. 😢 Perhaps I'm wasting my time here, but I'm an eternal optimist, so I'm asking that you please look at the Redirect/Delete votes again before I request a review. The AfD was more about the fact that the - {{xt|...cited sources are neither reliable nor do they establish notability.}} The Catahoula bulldog is a fictitious breed - no question there - but the reason for my nominating the article for AfD is that (a) there are no RS to satisfy GNG requirements, and (b) the included material is noncompliant with WP:V and WP:OR. The KEEP arguments do not establish notability or verifiability because there are no RS being cited - you should have seen that when you reviewed the Redirect/delete comments. The book, ''The Bully Breeds'', is as close as the citations got to a RS but it still did not make the cut - that source is actually a questionable source based on context and does not establish notability. The book is about 6 Bulldog breeds but the Catahoula bulldog is not one of the 6. It barely got passing mention in a short 2 paragraphs which included the following info (pg 78): {{xt|...which as the name implies originate from crosses between Bulldogs (in this case American Bulldogs) and (Louisiana) Catahoula Leopard Dogs.}} It goes on to describe a little more anecdotal information, all of which is unverifiable. The author did not cite any RS or notable breed registries for verification or reliable/verifiable corroboration that the dog even exists. It might have been crossed to a [[Labrador Retriever]] for all we know. The material is neither encyclopedic nor verifiable as it is derived from anecdotal information - and V is one of our core content policies. Worse yet, the author is not a breed expert - [https://play.google.com/store/books/details/The_Bully_Breeds?id=8cwKBgAAQBAJ&hl=en_US he is] {{xt|...a professional acoustical engineer specializing in architectural and environmental acoustics, product development, and building material research.}} I searched high and low for verifiable information in RS, and there are none. Further, [[Kennel Club Books]] has not been in business since 2012 - the article also needs to be updated. Please go back and re-read the many Redirect and/or Delete iVotes - some of which are by reputable WP:WikiProject Dog members who are quite knowledgeable about breeds, breed types, dog types, etc. Their arguments are very strong. I will await your reply but please ping me. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 17:45, 22 August 2019 (UTC) ::::;{{ping|Atsme}} Please ask for a review. [[User:RoySmith-Mobile|RoySmith-Mobile]] ([[User talk:RoySmith-Mobile|talk]]) 18:08, 22 August 2019 (UTC) == Tomi Thomas AfD == | |||