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Promotion for non-notable company; given sources are non-significant and I have been unable to find any coverage that would pass GNG. Article was deleted by AfD a month ago, and this iteration was written by a manager at the company. Haakon (talk) 15:40, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This template must be substituted. Haakon (talk) 15:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This template must be substituted. Haakon (talk) 15:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ektron is a leader in the content management space as identified by numerous 3rd party sources including Gartner, Forrester, CMS Watch, and 451 Group. This article provides the same factual information as other content management companies including Sitecore and Fatwire. Is this not a significant source? http://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/reprints/oracle/article91/article91.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twentworth12 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Based mostly on reliable sources. CMS Wire was debated to death at the Umbraco AfD. There is no consenus if that is a reliable source. But, for this article many other sources are easy to find besides those alredy in the article (Gartner, etc.) A quick search of google news archive also turned out a Infoworld comparison review (in print too) with the competing Macromedia product, a PC Magazine review, another review. Also book coverage: [1] [2] [3]. Pcap ping 16:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt. Gartner is an investment research business. Their editors are the customers who hire them to prepare reports. Being included in their "magic quadrants" is insufficient for notability, that's just their version of a directory or "top 100" style listing. This has been deleted several times before, and should have been protected against re-creation. Book mentions all look trivial and incidental to me. The bottom line is that this is just another behind the scenes tech business that the general public does not interact with directly. A very persistent spammer. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 21:42, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Your statement on Gartner is ridiculous, not even worth arguing. If Ektron is "just another behind the scenes tech business", how do you explain the entries for other content management companies of similar size and stature like Sitecore and Fatwire? If Ektron is to be removed, why not other content management vendors? Who gets to pick and choose which of a pool of very similar content management vendors should be included?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Twentworth12 (talk • —Preceding undated comment added 22:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC). [reply]
  - Thanks for calling my attention to Sitecore and Fatwire. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 05:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sitecore. Pcap ping 19:28, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about Drupal, Squiz and the open source CMS's? This seems unfairly focused against enterprise level solutions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.199.32 (talk • contribs)

No, it's focused against companies and products who lack notability and therefore should not be covered in an encyclopedia. Haakon (talk) 14:33, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm referring to the COI issue that was raised. The Drupal page was actually written by their founder. That seems like a conflict, no?--213.123.199.32 (talk) 14:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sounds unfortunate, but I haven't looked at it, and this is not the place to discuss it. Haakon (talk) 14:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I should note that far less covered software gets kept here by fanboys posting irrelevant links as "coverage". See Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/FluxBB. Pcap ping 19:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So, how notable is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentico? Why keep them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.32.120.10 (talk) 19:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Because of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kentico CMS. But this is not the topic of this page. Wikipedia is not consistent; other stuff exists. Haakon (talk) 20:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. How does a business to business software company prove notoriety? In the real world, executives use sources like Gartner, Forrester, CMS Watch, 451 Group, etc. to come up with lists of companies to evaluate. It seems wrong to discount those sources since its those sources that executives use to determine where they are going to spend money on content management. CEOs and CIOs don't search Google News or look for book mentions; they use trusted evaluation sources like those I've described. Futhermore, if you delete the article about Ektron, you'd have to delete every article about every commercial CMS company since our notoriety is defined by the same set of sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twentworth12 (talk 18:39, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Here are some additional notability sources in addition to the ones I've provided. CMS Watch covers Ektron http://cmswatch.com/Research/Channel/CMS and has been identified as a more credible source for notability than Gartner and Forrester in the Sitecore AfD. Ektron provided one of the first web based HTML editors called eWebEditPro, reviewed here way back in 2000 http://www.fusionauthority.com/reviews/2733-a-review-of-ektrons-ewebeditpro.htm. Here's a recent video from a TV station in NH on Ektron http://www.wmur.com/video/21479305/index.html. Finally, Ektron is covered in the Content Management Bible, one of the first and most important books on content management http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=ektron&x=0&y=0. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twentworth12 (talk • contribs) 02:58, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note, the article author, a Vice President at Ektron, is advertising this AfD at Twitter. [4] Haakon (talk) 08:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note. I never hid the fact that I was a VP at Ektron and my Twitter post was just a link to this AfD (I didn't know that was against the rules). I didn't ask anyone on Twitter to come defend my position, just a simple link so that interested parties could follow along. I'm hoping that my additional sources will be taken into consideration.