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- Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually – a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
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2024 Solingen stabbing
Thriley (talk) 00:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait good faith nom but leaning oppose. Let's see if this is bigger than it appears at the moment. Absent more than what we know at the moment, I'd probably oppose. Worse crimes occur on a near daily basis. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Bondi got posted, why shouldn’t this? 27.96.223.192 (talk) 07:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait Similar to the Bondi stabbing so we will most likely post in due time when more info comes out 27.96.223.192 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait per above. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 04:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait for more information as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD: Russell Malone
Noted jazz guitarist. Needs more citations to be ready. Flibirigit (talk) 00:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose unsourced discography and couple of cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 04:39, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD: Peter Lundgren
Swedish tennis player and coach of Roger Federer. His death was announced on this day. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C5A:3B46:FCA7:E9D5 (talk) 17:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Some more background information on Lundgren himself in the prose would be nice, his upbringing and a mention of his death is all that is really needed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support The article looks good and the person is definitely notable enough to post. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 22:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support article meets the bare minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 04:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Closed) Summer Koshien
i am not used to it so i accept suggestions for the blurb, The number is used beacuse is mostly commonly used instead of the year, akin to Olympics or Super Bowl. Meganinja202 (talk) 06:48, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Sensationalism isn’t allowed for ITN. Pretty sure we don’t post school tournaments here either. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 10:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- If March Madness is allowed, i see no reason for it not be, specially when its a notable event that has various articles about it, even Major League Baseball has wrote a article about the tournament and its relevancy. Meganinja202 (talk) 12:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose We really should not be posting any amateur level sports in the first place, but keep in mind that for March Madness, the huge number of people that watch that across the globe has an impact of why we post it. However, that definitely cannot be said for a high school-level tournament that has little global coverage. --Masem (t) 12:44, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- how about highly cultural events principle? Summer Koshien is a very important tournament culturallly in Japan and its known around the world in part by various productions made about the tournament (check In popular culture) Meganinja202 (talk) 16:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose good faith nom, but not known or covered globally as a sporting event. Natg 19 (talk) 15:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- had you guys checked the The popular culture tab ??? it is litteraly known by many forms not just by the direct broadcast of the tournament itself, I am sure lot of people know about the tournament thanks to ace of diamond or major Meganinja202 (talk) 16:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- As I mention below, these 2 mangas/animes are still Japanese coverage, which does not demonstrate worldwide or global significance. Natg 19 (talk) 17:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- had you guys checked the The popular culture tab ??? it is litteraly known by many forms not just by the direct broadcast of the tournament itself, I am sure lot of people know about the tournament thanks to ace of diamond or major Meganinja202 (talk) 16:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Not important enough for ITN. Tradediatalk 16:04, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose nowhere near meeting ITN significence criteria, not least because there isn't even a separate article for the event (the linked article is to the general event Japanese High School Baseball Championship which barely mentions it. This feels like a WP:SNOW close. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Theres a group of users (including myself) that updates stuffs about the tournament annually, but is not dedicated enough to make annual articles about the tournament, i dont know if counts but the ja and the zh|the zh language wikis has separated article every year , i plan to translate them in a future when i have more of a free time Meganinja202 (talk) 16:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no need for you to reply to every other oppose !vote. Please stop. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I am replying beacuse it seems clearly some editors dont know about the cultural impact of the tournament, litteraly a person made its judgement saying that he feels "there has not much enough articles" about the tournament, i feel that without a counterpoint, it may be a unfair vote...
I heared that the ITN people were too demanding, but i feel that is TOO MUCH demanding and request shoud be put more thought into it, sprecialy due its cultural impact Meganinja202 (talk) 17:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]- There is a cultural aspect, but it is still within Japan, and covered in Japanese media or Japanese entertainment. ITN tries to highlight events that have a worldwide/international impact or approach, and unfortunately Summer Koshien does not meet the bar. There are few news articles outside of Japan covering the results of this tournament. Natg 19 (talk) 17:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I am replying beacuse it seems clearly some editors dont know about the cultural impact of the tournament, litteraly a person made its judgement saying that he feels "there has not much enough articles" about the tournament, i feel that without a counterpoint, it may be a unfair vote...
- There is no need for you to reply to every other oppose !vote. Please stop. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Theres a group of users (including myself) that updates stuffs about the tournament annually, but is not dedicated enough to make annual articles about the tournament, i dont know if counts but the ja and the zh|the zh language wikis has separated article every year , i plan to translate them in a future when i have more of a free time Meganinja202 (talk) 16:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose The nomination has multiple issue. First of all, the topic is quite niche and appears to have no international coverage. Second, there is no independent article on the just finished season. Third, the nominated article is in a poor shape as the majority of the content in the article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Sphen
Notable pair of penguins, article seems to be in good shape. 193.165.236.224 (talk) 13:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support the article has been significantly updated and there is specific coverage of the death of Sphen. As such, I believe this meets the threshold of ITN. Note: a separate article is not required for ITNRD, as per
Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis.
, which I believe is met here. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support RIP to one of the most unusual queer icons. The article is in a good shape and looks ready to be posted however, his death was announced yesterday as I read it in the today's morning paper. I think this entry should be moved to August 22nd. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Natg 19 (talk) 17:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Closed) Canada railroad shutdown
- Oppose the article is literally 2 sentences long. RachelTensions (talk) 05:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose article is a stub and news is not something that is blurbworthy. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Rail strikes are not unusual and I don't see that this one is particularly more noteworthy. Black Kite (talk) 09:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Article is a stub and such events are not uncommon. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Article is currently a stub, and noteworthiness has not been demonstrated. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Oppose The article is a stub which makes this nom a non-starter. In terms of notability, as a Canadian, this is big news in my city and is being very widely discussed. However, I accept that it is currently regional news and thus not sufficiently notable for ITN. If the rail strike persists and causes a cascading economic impact, we should revisit. FlipandFlopped ツ 14:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support on notability, once the article is properly expanded. As the WaPo headline says, Huge Canadian railway work stoppage threatens U.S. economy. Nsk92 (talk) 14:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose — Local dispute. STSC (talk)
- Oppose as the article is a stub. However, if the strike ends up causing significant economic damage, then I might reconsider. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose The shutdown didn't even last a day. Johndavies837 (talk) 00:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Mike Lynch
Bayesian (yacht) sinking victim that was missing has been found. – Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Article looks detailed and well sourced. Flyingfishee (talk) 13:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support With the blurb nom closed, we should promptly RD this. FlipandFlopped ツ 15:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Posted Looks solid to me. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:43, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Roger Cook
American landscaper and star of This Old House. 240F:7A:6253:1:5D40:44D2:9C5E:9E6 (talk) 15:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Oppose the article needs a bit more expansion and there are couple of issues with some of the cited sources such as a Facebook source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD: Nick Mileti
Founder of Cleveland Cavaliers. 240F:7A:6253:1:5D40:44D2:9C5E:9E6 (talk) 13:33, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose couple of paragraphs ending without a footnote and Publications sections sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Posted) RD: Al Attles
Former NBA player and coach. In good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 00:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support article appears alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Sufficient quality.—Bagumba (talk) 10:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Posted) RD: Bill Pascrell
Member of the US House – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Article seems well sourced and no tags on it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait
there are couple of paragraphs ending without a footnote and Caucus memberships section needs more sourcing.ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Support article is ready now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support @PrinceofPunjab: Fixed up sourcing issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:42, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD: Nell McCafferty
Irish journalist and feminist campainger. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C49:608C:B2F6:5005 (talk) 13:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose early life section is unsourced and so are some of the other paragraphs. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I've updated some of the references to be up to date now @PrinceofPunjab Duck Dur (talk) 21:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Duck Dur early life section still needs a bit more sources and Bibliography section is missing ISBN codes. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I will update them later today Duck Dur (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Duck Dur early life section still needs a bit more sources and Bibliography section is missing ISBN codes. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I've updated some of the references to be up to date now @PrinceofPunjab Duck Dur (talk) 21:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2024 Yemen floods
Abo Yemen✉ 12:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support The floods are a notable event, and the article is thorough enough for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support death toll is significant enough and article is in a good shape.ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Upon further thinking, I change my vote to Oppose now too due to insufficient updates. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Last update was for August 18. Stephen 19:19, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Doesn't seem to be in the news. A news search for "flooding" turns up stories about recent flooding in the Balearics, Bangladesh, Connecticut, Korea, Japan, Sudan, etc. Not seeing anything at all about Yemen. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Andrew Davidson. FlipandFlopped ツ 14:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose The article does not make it clear that significant flooding has occurred very recently, and the death toll applies to floods more generally taking place throughout July and August. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support on notability. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Stale There's worldwide coverage of this--- more than a week ago. That's when this should have been posted. --Masem (t) 21:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Stale per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Violinist of the Ensemble intercontemporain for more than 20 years, collaborating with founder Pierre Boulez and other composers, commissioning new works, teaching for decades - and had no article until her death became known on 20 August (only one in Russian which we didn't consult). There could be more detail about recordings but I'm out for the day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD: Atsuko Tanaka
Japanese voice actress. Tofusaurus (talk) 13:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment if you take out the tables with her roles, there is very little article left. JA-wiki seems to have more thorough information about her life that could be translated and used.Jaguarnik (talk) 17:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Support, the article has been made much better.Jaguarnik (talk) 03:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Comment I’ve tagged the article as a stub. Schwede66 07:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose surprised at the almost fully sourced filmography tables, but article needs a bit more prose. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I've added a lot of sourced prose translated from the jawiki page; should be of sufficient quality. ミラP@Miraclepine 23:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD: Sam Landsberger
Happily888 (talk) 12:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose article is barely a stub. Natg 19 (talk) 16:23, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Tragic, but there is almost no prose to the article. I can count the sentences in it on my fingers. Not good nor lengthy enough for RD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose article is a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:34, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose stub article with practically no information about his life, created after death, borderline notability if any. Black Kite (talk) 09:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Posted) RD: Maria Branyas
American-born Spanish supercentenarian. 240F:7A:6253:1:900E:954A:2704:19B9 (talk) 11:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Oldest Living Person, RIP MyriadSims (talk) 14:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Oldest person alive dies is notable. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 17:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Article is good and sourced, has been since previous title holder died. And we did list her in RD. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support A good article with biography and archive photos. Trepang2 (talk) 19:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support page meets requirements. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 21:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Posted Memory eternal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Post posting support RIP, article quality appears fine. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Kiribati parliamentary election
It may be a minor country, but it was still a national election. Article could use an update to the infobox, as well as an aftermath section. Scu ba (talk) 02:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose The article contains a bunch of unsourced tables, and doesn't mention the results of the election in the lead. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Closed) Superyacht sinks
- Comment The article (Bayesian (yacht)) should probably be Sinking of the Bayesian as the yacht itself isn't notable, only the event. The article is, regardless, currently a stub. Black Kite (talk) 20:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose good faith nom. One dead + several missing does not rise to the level of an ITN blurb. Additionally, article quality is nowhere near adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose as comparatively trivial. An RD nom for Lynch may be in order soon, though. The Kip (contribs) 21:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Just a human interest story that's a tad more notable because it involves someone of note. But fatal vehicle incidents are fairly routine. The target article probably shouldn't even have been created. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)'[reply]
- Soft oppose but note that this would be an appropriate form of RD blurb - the death as an event is notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose blurb, Support RD per Orbitalbuzzsaw. FlipandFlopped ツ 13:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose blurb, Oppose RD as Lynch has not been confirmed to be dead. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose all the things Tragic accident, notable person is probably dead, and if confirmed, RD makes sense. However, his impact on this world and untimely death do not rise to level of ITN blurb. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose blurb, support RD if death confirmed. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:17, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Phil Donahue
American talk show personality. Staraction (talk | contribs) 14:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I don't see any citation-needed or other issues that would prevent this from being listed pbp 15:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose a couple of cn tags, The Phil Donahue Show section does not have a source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 15:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose due to citation needed tags. Suonii180 (talk) 17:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, Donahue reinvented the talk show format and brought the concept up a level or two. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Every person with an article is deemed notable enough for RD. So the only issue to be discussed here relates to the quality/sourcing of the article (see WP:ITNRD). Tradediatalk 16:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support CN tags seem to be resolved Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- As of now, I can see 4 "citation needed". Tradediatalk 22:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Ruth Johnson Colvin
American philanthropist and founder of ProLiteracy. 240F:7A:6253:1:F408:FA10:89EF:D1C4 (talk) 21:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose ProLiteracy section is unsourced and the published works section needs more references. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Posted) 2024 Tour de France Femmes
- Support Article is in a very good shape, looks like ready to posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 15:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per PrinceofPunjab. FlipandFlopped ツ 17:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Lead could use a bit of expansion, but otherwise, it looks good. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Working on it - just finishing the race summary first. Turini2 (talk) 16:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- done! Turini2 (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Working on it - just finishing the race summary first. Turini2 (talk) 16:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Posted. Has been up over 24 hours with only supports. Article appears to be of good quality. Black Kite (talk) 17:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Post-posting comment Since every edition of the Tour de France Femmes has been posted, it may be a good idea to make this an ITNR event. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD: Franciszek Smuda
Nominator's comments: Big name in Polish football, internationally best known as the Poland national manager when hosting Euro 2012. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose mutiple cn tags and Honours section needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD/blurb: Alain Delon
I'm personally inclined for a blurb here. Name a French actor and he would be there. Brandmeistertalk 07:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose blurb; not a serving head of state or government, manner of death not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- These are not the only criteria, we blurbed Tina Turner, Pele, Milan Kundera, Sydney Poitier, Betty White and others. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Those are not the criteria, and never have been. You are actively misleading other users by continuing to claim that they are. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support blurb, legendary actor with storied career and varied international work, recipient of major awards like His name was long associated with standard, he defined what was a handsome male. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support blurb—To the best of my recollection, I haven't heard of Alain Delon before. However, I am sufficiently convinced of his status as a culturally significant figure in the history of cinema. His article is comprehensive, well-sourced, and illustrates just how iconic he was in a career that spanned several decades. Kurtis (talk) 08:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Revisiting my support, I don't think I gave the article a thorough enough review. I don't think it's too far off from being of high enough quality to be featured on the main page. All it needs is a few more citations in the paragraphs where they're lacking. Kurtis (talk) 01:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support RD, oppose blurb: Seems to be significant figure, but I doubt he's as noteworthy today to warrant a blurb. Tofusaurus (talk) 09:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It is one of rare cases where the article showed influence abd transformative criteria even before death of the person. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability is not temporary. This is frankly an absurd objection. Most celebrities die decades after their prime. Many young people will not even remember them. So what? Fame and influence remain. FWIW, he's well-known in Germany, too, probably in all of Europe and beyond, not only among cineasts. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 08:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Picture A famous face for which we have a good selection of free images. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- But we don't post picture RDs. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not a fan of the idea of picture RDs, but you're begging the question. "This is how we've always done it" is an argument for when there's no other argument. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice reference to my username, thank you:) BilboBeggins (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not a fan of the idea of picture RDs, but you're begging the question. "This is how we've always done it" is an argument for when there's no other argument. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- But we don't post picture RDs. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support RD, neutral on blurb. Definitely one of the most famous French actors in history, but just doesn't rise to the Thatcher/Mandela standards we should keep blurbs to. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose on quality but otherwise Support blurb. This is an example of what we should be looking for to demonstrate a major figure - a very in-depth legacy section (all sourced) that makes it clear to the reader why he was considered as such. No question on thus meriting a blurb. However, there are paragraphs in both the earlier career and sections and in the personal life section (including some of the legal aspects) that are unsourced, and must be fixed before posting. --Masem (t) 12:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Blurb, oppose RD on quality While certainly a renowned French artist but in my opinion he does not have enough caliber to have a blurb. RD cannot be posted right now because some section including Honours one needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- How does he have not enough caliber to ha e a blurb if there is transformative and influence section?
- Why was Billy Mays posted? BilboBeggins (talk) 19:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @BilboBeggins, First of all, I think you meant Willie Mays. FYI, I actually opposed his nomination. I believe that most of the things mention in the influence section are just comments made by some famous persons in some interviews and majority of things in that section are trivial and the whole section seems to be blown a little out of proportions. I am actually very much against the blurb death of a non head of state, Unless they die in a unnatural way. And before you bring out Betty White or Tony Bennett like in other comments made by you, I wasn't active in the ITN section at that time otherwise I would have opposed those too. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 08:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support blurb: Despite being way too young to remember him properly, I should note he's one of the few actors we consider as vital, next to the likes of Sydney Poitier and Betty White (who did received the "blurb treatment", as well). Plus, he's been widely regarded as one of the main cinema icons of the last century, so the notability is definitely there. It's true, though, that the article still needs a bit of work before we can proceed, and I don't know if I'll be able to help myself... Oltrepier (talk) 14:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support blurb (if quality is fixed) One of the last giants of world cinema. Tradediatalk 15:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support blurb: I wouldn't normally support a blurb for an actor but the Sydney Poitier and Betty White precedents argue in its favour. He was arguably among the three best known french actors abroad along with Catherine Deneuve and Gérard Depardieu and had a major following in Japan. The original sin was in accepting blurbs for actors in the first place Varoon2542 (talk) 15:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I would rather educate myself about dead legendary artists, than read about the latest PDC World Darts Championship. Tradediatalk 16:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I won't be disagreeing with that Varoon2542 (talk) 19:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I would rather educate myself about dead legendary artists, than read about the latest PDC World Darts Championship. Tradediatalk 16:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support RD, oppose blurb: Important, but not enough for a blurb. Scheridon (talk) 16:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose blurb - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you please elaborate on that? I would very much like to hear you rationale for oppose because I really didn't see any rule-based rationales from other oppose voters, its mostly about opinions. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That's how RD blurbs work, it's generally based on opinion. WP:ITNRDBLURB and all. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you please elaborate on that? I would very much like to hear you rationale for oppose because I really didn't see any rule-based rationales from other oppose voters, its mostly about opinions. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support blurb when quality is improved. He is certainly one of the most influential and renowned French icons of the past century. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 17:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I won’t express my opinion on this nomination, but after seeing how extensive is the influence and legacy section, all oppose votes should be disregarded as they obviously come from people who either don’t like a blurb to be posted or lack basic understanding about how Wikipedia works.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Kiril Simeonovski I respect your point of view, but I think it is essential to understand that those who disagree do not always mean they are ignorant of rules of Wikipedia. The fact that someone is opposed to a nomination does not necessarily imply that they are against putting a blurb or lack basic knowledge on Wikipedia’s process. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 08:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Nobody here is opposed to a blurb because they don't like it, where are you getting this idea from? Saying "all oppose vote should be disregarded" shows your blatant bias against other editors who oppose in good faith. Tofusaurus (talk) 10:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose blurb. The man is notable, the actual event of his death is not. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The deaths of sufficiently notable people are notable, and that's why we have both RD and (occasionally) death blurbs. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support RD, neutral on blurb there really needs to be more clear-cut/explicit criteria for what is appropriate to be blurbed, which is why I am staying neutral on the blurb. As far as I've seen, nobody has a good argument for why Willie Mays or Tony Bennett or Betty White's deaths were appropriate to be blurbed but Delon's death isn't, when the circumstances are more or less the same (old celebrity dies of poor health). Article quality is fine, except for the family section - one more statement needs to be cited, and the quality of the other sources is poor. For instance, geneanet is user-aggregated and thus shouldn't be used as a source of info. (To be honest I would just remove the family section entirely.) When those issues are fixed, it will be good to post as RD. Jaguarnik (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My argument is as it has always been that none of your examples deserved a blurb - if we're blurbing the death, the death (NOT the person) has to be notable as an event in itself - hence the serving political leader criterion This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not what rules say. There has been nothing notable about deaths of Tony Bennet, Queen Elisabeth, Pele or Pope Benedict XVI. They were all blurbed though. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There needs to be a request for comment about this topic, because at this point it doesn't seem that there's a rationale for blurbing someone's death other than "We blurbed x so why not y". A consensus would be good. Jaguarnik (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not what rules say. There has been nothing notable about deaths of Tony Bennet, Queen Elisabeth, Pele or Pope Benedict XVI. They were all blurbed though. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My argument is as it has always been that none of your examples deserved a blurb - if we're blurbing the death, the death (NOT the person) has to be notable as an event in itself - hence the serving political leader criterion This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- More than 15 paragraphs that lack a single reference, and lots of other unreferenced material. Stephen 22:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Not Ready for RD for the usual reason. Neutral on a blurb if we can get the article up to scratch. He was one of the top actors in France, but the community has turned down giants in the field. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Bibliography comment Alain Delon § Bibliography is not the usual list of works by the subject. It's an extensive listing about the subject. Disucssion at Talk:Alain Delon § Bibliography. Missing ISBNs too.—Bagumba (talk) 04:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment WILL EVERYONE STOP ATTACKING EACH OTHER PLEASE!! Thank you, anyways here’s a solution for now: put him in the RD we debate a little more for blurb. relax and stop attacking each other agressively Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support blurb Very influential actor, I have not heard about him before but he seems to be a very important figure in films. Still some problems needing to be fixed but once they’re fixed I reckon we blurb him. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Lean oppose blurb Articles and discussions like this sometimes make me feel like I just intersected with a parallel universe or another planet. How could I, considering myself to be a reasonably well-informed individual, have missed being aware of someone who is apparently so prominent? It's nice to have Wikipedia to remind me that there is a world outside of my own country (the United States), and sometimes a global culture is not so global. We may be entirely ignorant of many of each others' celebrities, for example. Although my experience may not be representative of that of others, with one or two exceptions, I was not aware of Delon nor his films.
I believe global notability, at least within the English-speaking world, ought to be a prerequisite for inclusion as a blurb in the English language Wikipedia. Since that threshold is arbitrary, however, this forum provides a good test for determining global notability. I have no issue with entertainers being included if they are determined to have sufficient notability. As one test, one could compare him with others born in the same year. Among Delon's peers who were born in 1935, I believe Elvis Presley, Luciano Pavorotti, Julie Andrews and Woody Allen are some of the most notable entertainers who would reach that threshold. Despite some impressive achievements in French cinema, I don't believe Alain Delon passes the threshold of global notability in the English-speaking world for inclusion as a blurb.Ryan Reeder (talk) 07:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No. This is Wikipedia in English, not Wikipedia about people who speak English. There is not, and never should be, any requirement that our subjects be especially famous in the English-speaking world rather than any other language sphere. Your own admitted ignorance of French cinema is a sign that you are being parochial, not that Alain Delon was not famous. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is why notability is pretty relative and depends on cultural context, and why one person's judgement isn't enough to establish global notability. As a French person myself, I see Alain Delon as a defining figure of French cinema and assumed he would be much more well-known internationally than he might actually be. On the other hand, I haven't heard as much about the achievements of Pavorotti or Andrews, and would have underestimated their notability compared to Delon's. This kind of notability depends a lot on the cultural sphere one lives in, which means hearing from editors with various perspectives is great to see whether someone is truly globally notable.
Like Genevieve said, I don't think notability within the English-speaking world should be a prerequisite rather than global notability, but either way, it seems like Delon might just not be reaching that threshold. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- First, he passes threshold of global notability.
- Second, we don't require English a person to be famous in English speaking world in order to qualify for a blurb, this not in the rules.
- Third, Delon has 120 Wikipedia articles in different languages, Pavarotti has 95 articles, Julie Andrews has 84 articles, Woody Allen has 109 articles. He surpasses them on the metric of number of articles.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BilboBeggins (talk • contribs) 12:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose on quality for now. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Blurb democracy manifest guy had considerably more press vs this dude, and he didn't even get a RD mention. Also, orange tagged, so oppose RD until the typical prominent actor dies citing concerns are fixed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Apples and oranges. Some ordinary dude who came under spotlight after being arrested by Australian police vs an actor with a 70-year film career, culminated in multiple domestic and foreign awards. C'mon... Brandmeistertalk 16:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- And Democracy Manifest also missed out on getting an RD(, a succulent Wikipedia RD!) based on the consensus of the community alas. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Democracy manifest guy was more recent hence more press. If Delon was in his peak today he would have plenty of press coverage. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose on quality, several parts of the article have sourcing issues. Suonii180 (talk) 17:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose on quality grounds, currently still has a big tag on the top. No comment in relation to blurb or RD but leaning against blurbing if it gets sorted. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose blurb if every celebrity with an "influence" and "recognition by peers" section in their article is inherently notable enough to merit a blurb, then we should be auto-blurbing basically every major dead actor or singer. Instead, we gauge notability by coverage in the press and while there is some coverage, it does not rise beyond the standard level of obituary coverage expected of a celebrity. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Isn't it what exactly took place with Sydney Poitier and Betty White ?
- How is Betty White notable ? Noone actually knows her outside of the US
- For years, notability has been determined on one criteria, "who Wikipedia editors know" and that usually depends on geography and age
- I'm sure older Americans have heard of him
- We are pretending to be impartial when we've never been
- If Alain Delon, doesn't even get an RD by now, no french actor will ever be seen as deserving one Varoon2542 (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sydney Poitier was hugely influential figure not just for his skill as an actor but for his role in breaking color barriers in the film industry. Betty White was buoyed by a wave of fan supports. Honestly, she should not have been posted. It's worth noting that very famous actors are routinely rejected including Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, two giants from the golden age of Hollywood. The only issue keeping Delon from RD is the article's gnerally poor referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Worldwide, Poitier is not more influential than Delon. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sydney Poitier was hugely influential figure not just for his skill as an actor but for his role in breaking color barriers in the film industry. Betty White was buoyed by a wave of fan supports. Honestly, she should not have been posted. It's worth noting that very famous actors are routinely rejected including Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, two giants from the golden age of Hollywood. The only issue keeping Delon from RD is the article's gnerally poor referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Stats As we have the usual impasse at ITN, it is instructive to see what our readers are choosing. We find that:
- Alain Delon was the top read article on Wikipedia yesterday with about double the readership of the closest competition – Alien: Romulus
- Most of the ITN blurb articles do not have significant readership -- they are at the 10K level which is effectively the baseline for ITN. The only exception is Paetongtarn Shinawatra who got about 80K but that's still an order of magnitude less than Delon.
- So, it's apparent that ITN is quite out of touch with the general readership. Our readers really don't care what stale stuff we run and just vote with their feet.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 22:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yet again, it must be stated that ITN does not consider readership numbers at all. We are not trying to optimize SEO hits or the like here. That's why the point of ITN is about featuring quality articles that are in the news (in line with all other sections of the main page) , not about being a news ticker simply to index hot news topics. — Masem (t) 23:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Masem: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 23:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That doesn't mean Masem's comment as it related to how ITN decisions are made isn't relevant. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Why would anyone need to go to ANI about this? Y'all are weird. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe because this has been a consistent yet constant feature of AD on ITN/C, and of the multiple folks who have tried their best to remind him that no, ITN is not a news ticker. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Why would anyone need to go to ANI about this? Y'all are weird. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That doesn't mean Masem's comment as it related to how ITN decisions are made isn't relevant. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Masem: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 23:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yet again, it must be stated that ITN does not consider readership numbers at all. We are not trying to optimize SEO hits or the like here. That's why the point of ITN is about featuring quality articles that are in the news (in line with all other sections of the main page) , not about being a news ticker simply to index hot news topics. — Masem (t) 23:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose on quality Article needs improvement in terms in sourcing. Once these issues are addressed, I can support blurb since article establishes his impact in the field of cinema spanning languages/regions. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support blurb once the article's quality is there. It establishes how transformative and famous he was internationally, he probably is among the few non-Hollywood actors you should consider for this. --Clibenfoart (talk) 16:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Quality needs a lot of improvement. I commented on the talk page, but the Influence on his contemporaries and legacy section is overstuffed and may have a lot of original research to claim that xyz film or actor was influenced by Delon. Natg 19 (talk) 17:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support blurb on improved article. He's such a stylish film icon internationally, he really deserves a blurb. STSC (talk)
- Still has a lot of citation needed tags, and 2 orange tags on the article. Natg 19 (talk) 05:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose blurb. Not remotely of the same stature as Thatcher or Mandela, the usual benchmarks for the kind of globally known figure that would be posted. Blurbs are not just for people who did well in life and very successful, they're for the deaths that make you stop in your tracks when you see them. Also some way off on quality, so seems unlikely it will even make RD at this point, but who knows. — Amakuru (talk) 06:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Silvio Santos
Brazilian media mogul and television host. He was the host of the second longest running Brazilian program: Programa Silvio Santos, aired since 1963. He was also the only celebrity in the country on the list of billionaires by Forbes magazine. The magazine also states that "there is no one more famous than Silvio Santos in Brazil." Maeslor
- Conditional oppose: I have no doubt he is a major figure in the country as both an entrepreneur and a television presenter, but the article on EN needs work (Portuguese Wikipedia has a more substantive article we could translate from. This one is not as complete and even cites YouTube in places). ViperSnake151 Talk 00:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have just translated the Death of Silvio Santos page, going on the background, announcement, and reactions in Brazil and worldwide. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I think the article is in a good enough shape to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support He was an important person and the article is not bad. Scheridon (talk) 16:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, quite surprising this isn't in the main page yet. RodRabelo7 (talk) 18:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment the death spinout article has far too many quotes are reads more like a memorial piece. I question if that really needed to be spun out since the actual activities around the death are somwhat thin. Masem (t) 15:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Article looks good. Really, the death article is kinda extraneous and some of that content can be pulled over, but its 90% memorial commentary so it's not that big a deal. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: Having so many people tune into his show for that long is remarkable. Connor Behan (talk) 01:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD: Black Caviar
Famous Australian racehorse. Aydoh8[contribs] 05:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support looks good enough to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose on Quality. Lacking in references for Race record and Pedigree sections. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Posted) 2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case - protest
Nominator's comments: 2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case. Spworld2 06:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Snow oppose Horrifying case, but ITN usually doesn't post crimes committed against individual people. Furthermore, the article is not complete. Bremps... 06:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC) Outdated. Bremps... 22:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Usually this is not a small case against individuals, they were raped and killed with great brutality, public protests are continuing in all cities of India against this, doctors are also on strike in India.[13][14] [15][16][17][18][19] Spworld2 (talk) 06:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Also you can't call WP:SNOW on the 1st comment Abcmaxx (talk) 13:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- By that logic, George Floyd's murder wouldn't make it to ITN. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Post posting support The original blurb said nothing about any protests. Bremps... 22:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Usually this is not a small case against individuals, they were raped and killed with great brutality, public protests are continuing in all cities of India against this, doctors are also on strike in India.[13][14] [15][16][17][18][19] Spworld2 (talk) 06:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - "The incident took place when 'Trainee Doctor', a 31-year-old Trainee Doctor,......" sentence just ends there. No way we can post this, article doesn't even tell you what happened PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- RD is mostly for the deaths of notable people/organisms, not for murder cases, even if high-profile. Good faith nom PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a law in India that the name of the victim in a rape case should not be disclosed Spworld2 (talk) 06:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- At the time I wrote that the article literally just consisted of 'a 31-year-old trainee doctor'. That was the only information about the incident in the entire article. I wasn't referring to the victim's name.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The article has come a long way since, I do think its in a decent (not great) place for posting Schwinnspeed (talk) 22:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- At the time I wrote that the article literally just consisted of 'a 31-year-old trainee doctor'. That was the only information about the incident in the entire article. I wasn't referring to the victim's name.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- [20][21] [22][23][24][25][26] Spworld2 (talk) 06:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This should not be an RD, this should be nominated as a blurb, but primarily due to the protests that have followed from the crime. --Masem (t) 17:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Not an RD nom anymore. (Not a wikibio.) Need a better blurb. --PFHLai (talk) 20:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support altblurb There is significant coverage of this in the news, both within India and internationally. A single incident wouldn't be ITN worthy but the notable thing here, as Masem stated, is the protests and response that followed. The altblurb highlights this a bit more clearly. Schwinnspeed (talk) 20:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- If it does go up, I do feel the victim's name should not be omitted in the burb. It feels like the blurbs are discussing the protests more than the victim themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RJX74 (talk • contribs) 23:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, because the notable thing is the protests, not the murder itself. Also, WP:BDP applies. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Exactly. I was gonna the same the same to the first comment above. Brutal as a rape is, they're not so unusual in the country.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Need to sort out which article is. the Alt that is not "incident" is best.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Altblurb The incident have received widespread international coverage. The news about it has been featured on the multiple international newspaper's front page. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support altblurb, really terrible news and the strikes have been gaining more coverage as Prince of Punjab said Dyaquna (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support notability quite clearly world news and affecting the world's most populous nation. Is there an article on the protests though? Abcmaxx (talk) 13:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I do find it perplexing that the article focuses on the murder rather than the protests themselves. Most of the article's prose cover the protests. I understand they were much larger (early returns, granted), but wouldn't an incident such as the Mahsa Amini protests inform precedent on article focus here? DarkSide830 (talk) 17:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support altblurb If a countrywide medical worker strike in India is not notable, I don't know what to say to you. The article is well cited and is good quality enough for ITN. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support on notability A countrywide medical strike seems to me to be notable enough. However, the lead could be significantly improved, and the article could better explain whether or not the strike is still ongoing. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support on notability and preferably altblurb. Well cited and article is in good shape. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Posted Slotted it at the nom's 17 Aug date, though protests and strikes occured earlier, as the strike went nationwide on 17th.[27] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagumba (talk • contribs) 9:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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