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August 13
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RD: Kenny Baker
Nominator's comments: Played R2-D2 in the first two Star Wars trilogies. Article needs some love, but is attracting quite a bit of attention. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Record for individual Olympic titles
Nominator's comments: While some recent nominations are for the breaking of records that are mere decades old, this is for a record that has stood for over two millennium. --Allen3 talk 09:59, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Somewhat oppose. While this is a fun story, it's difficult to compare ancient and modern Olympics. Would support featuring Phelps's final medal count, since he beat his record from 4 years ago. --Tone 11:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - fun and interesting record. And very historic and significant if you ask me.BabbaQ (talk) 14:01, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Let's be careful now... We're slated to not post Almaz Ayana's breaking the 10,000 metres world record below. I feel a need for consistency is vital if we're going to be posting record-breakings of any sorts from the Olympics.--WaltCip (talk) 14:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a difference between a record that is 2000 years old and yet another world record. Several world records has been made already at the 2016 olympics, Wikipedia is supposed to post significant and special world records. How is it biased to post this one, its like comparing apples and oranges.BabbaQ (talk) 14:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support actually interesting perspective and also a good way to emphasize such a feat among all the others happening these days in Rio. Nergaal (talk) 14:42, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Strongest possible oppose - You can't 'break a record' that is 2000 years old. The events are incomparable. It is indeed comparing apples and oranges. How sure are we even on the accuracy of Leonidas' medal tally? It's a nonsense story, far more significant records have already been broken these games, and we didn't post them. 86.28.195.109 (talk) 16:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Why not? The Great Pyramid's record for tallest manmade object wasn't broken for 4,000 years. Lucius Flavius Philostratus wrote about the feat shaking up Ancient Greek athletic theory. There were 115 Olympic Games after his fourpeat triple victory but before Christianity was even legal (4 times the number of Modern Games) so it wasn't just a few Games at the end with enough events for dodecuple champions to be plausible. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:50, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Are there any RS sources backing this "you can't 'break a record' that is 2000 years old" argument? If not then this sounds like a private opinion that is contradicted by multiple sources. On Wikipedia we don't do private opinions. We repeat what is written in reliable sources. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- My point was that the games then were not the games now. Therefore the record is not the same. There are far more events now, so the records can't be compared. This is the same as saying the 10k world record has been broken in the 5k. Therefore this is a non-story. I suspect supports are for nationalistic reasons. As mentioned above, Wikipedia:Systemic bias 86.28.195.109 (talk) 19:45, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- But the Ancient Olympics only had a talent pool of about 50 million at most while modern Games have one of 7.5 billion. This makes it harder for today's athletes to dominate (can you imagine how many ties we'd have if who won the 200 meter race was judge by eye like the Ancient Olympics?) Also the 3 events that Leonidas won were contested hundreds of times compared to only 28 editions of the Modern Games. I don't know if these two things are enough to even things out but it certainly makes it less of a gulf. The 13 individual gold medals are actually in only 5 events and only 4 were won more than once. This might be less than one might expect given the huge number of swimming events (there likely weren't team events in the Ancient Games: [1] so to be fair we're not adding team golds to lone golds or Michael Phelps would've beaten Leonidas a long time ago. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per above. - EugεnS¡m¡on 16:53, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I am pretty reluctant to post Olympic related news and records since it is covered in ongoing, but this is highly unusual and I think merits an ITN blurb. With respect to the Oppose argument, multiple reliable sources are saying it is in fact possible to break ancient records. If there are RS sources refuting the claim then we may have to reconsider this. But we go with what the sources say, not personal opinions. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support One man held the record of 15 lifetimes of continuous Olympic competition just by being badass at the hoplitodromos. That is amazing. The 2,791 years since the first known Olympic champion is most of human history. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:25, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. I agree with the "apples and oranges" comment from above. The modern Olympics are not comparable to the ancient games making this "record" trivial at best. -- Tavix (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose the comparison is laughable. Slow "real news" day for those carrying this "story". The Rambling Man (talk) 20:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - really? comparing an athlete who was a "true " athlete to Phelps? That guy competed in "foot races", let me see Phelps achieve the same on LAND...I find swimming holds a big disadvantage to real athletes as swimmers can collect a lot more medals than those that are lucky to manage one...Until Usain Bolt collects 13 golds, Phelps achievement does not matter..--Stemoc 22:18, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- He doesn't have the body shape to be a runner. [2] He has the body shape to be a swimmer. How are you going to expect a person to run fast when they have the worst possible leg-to-torso and leg-to-arm length ratio for it? He beats the rest of the world in popular human muscle-powered solo races so he must be an athlete. Usain Bolt seems to win every 100m, 200m and 4x100m dash he enters. He would have to win 3 in 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, and 1 out of 3 in 2024 when he's 38 to do that. That's a tall order. I think the readers would know it's only a nominal record because there's so many swimming strokes. Therefore it can go up (because 2,200 years!) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose ultimately. With respect to Phelps, it's just very difficult to post record-breaking stories on ITN for the reasons outlined above.--WaltCip (talk) 22:52, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Apples and oranges indeed. You cannot compare the modern and ancient olympics in this manner as they're just too different, and we don't know enough detail about the potential medals Leonidas could have won. Swimmers at modern Olympics compete in far more events, and thus have the potential to win far more medals, than competitors in any other sport so that's another reason the two are not comparable (Phelps competed in at least 5 individual events this games, plus several team events, competitors in most sports have only a single event they can enter). Thryduulf (talk) 23:03, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support If the record wasn't broken in 2k years, it wasn't broken in 130 years either which means it's still a record. Maybe if it was some German in Brazil breaking a niche record instead of an American beating a less niche record we would post it?. Gotta keep curbing that bias huh? --50.160.204.213 (talk) 00:17, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
August 12
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- Heavy rain on the Gulf Coast of the United States causes floods in the state of Louisiana and the southern part of Mississippi with one person drowning. (Weather)
- A small plane crashes after an aborted landing at Shannon Airport near Fredericksburg, Virginia, killing six people. (Reuters)
- In Canada, 20 year old Mohammad Hassan Chaudhary with mental health issues and no formal flight training issues stole a small Piper airplane. He crashed near a mall about halfway between his takeoff near Toronto and the capital in Ottawa. National security investigators ruled out terrorist or suicidal motives. Global News)
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- Brendan Dassey, the subject of Netflix's hit drama Making a Murderer is found to have been wrongly convicted of murdering the photographer Teresa Halbach. A federal judge orders that he must be released from prison within three months. (People)
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Fall of Manbij
Nominator's comments: Fairly large town (~80k before the pop was displaced by the battle) changing hands after a long and violent battle (~2k dead). Narayanese (talk) 06:19, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
RD: Ruby Wilson
Nominator's comments: Article is fully referenced and seems to cover main points of her career. MurielMary (talk) 10:32, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
RD: Alison Piepmeier
Nominator's comments: Article is well referenced. Not lengthy but seems to cover main points of her career. MurielMary (talk) 21:17, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Almaz Ayana 23yr-old 10K world record
Nominator's comments: Athletics world records have generally been listed; thought this would be notable enough as a candidate. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 18:54, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose a number of world records have already been set in this particular "edition" of the Olympics, especially in swimming. If this could be demonstrated as something miles beyond those other records, I might re-consider, but otherwise, this is what happens at the Olympics, and we have that on Ongoing. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per RTM . -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:14, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- RTM? I do that all the time. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:21, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Damn my dyslexic keyboard. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @The Rambling Man and Ad Orientem: Thanks, but not this kind of athletics record every edition. Here is our page about the event. Here's another piece of coverage: [3] I added an alt page and alt blurb. Suggested picture in nomination is not necessary — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 00:54, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Adding how long the oringal record stood would be a good way to establish context. It was added for the hurldle record.--67.68.161.51 (talk) 01:58, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support This was a phenomenonly fast run in an extremely fast race that had 4 of the fastest 5 10,000 metres times ever run. The previous record was set in 1993 by someone that it seems fairly certain was doping and was regarded as still an extremely fast time. This run easily beat that previous record. Distance running doesn't normally have chunks taken out of the world records every year, unlike some other olympic sports. Some more coverage.[1][2][3][4] JMiall₰ 23:13, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support this record stood for almost 23 years so its not something that gets broken every other year or even every other Olympics. Also, a previous record World Record performance for hurdles was recently accepted mainly due to how long the original stood. Granted the 28 years gap in this instance is a biit longer than this one of close to 23 but I still think it is rare enough to warrant inclusion.--67.68.161.51 (talk) 00:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I agree that it was an extraordinary performance, but then so was Katie Ledecky's world record in the 800m and a number of other swimming records at the Olympics. I don't see any justification for singling this out. Neljack (talk) 08:48, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: We've posted significant individual records before during the Olympics (for a long time since last world record). That said, I would like to see Athletics_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics_–_Women's_10,000_metres#Records expanded with some kind of prose explanation to why this is more significant. Otherwise it's hard for me to say at this time whether or not I support or oppose the nom. SpencerT♦C 09:02, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Spencer: I believe this section essentially covers the significance. The records subsection seems generally to be reserved for tabular data (as far as I can tell). I've also updated the alt blurb slightly — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 16:19, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak oppose. Covered by the Ongoing listing. Katie Ledecky has smashed two world records in the pool as well; we can't post every one. Maybe if this had happened outside the Olympics it would make posting, but it didn't. 331dot (talk) 09:26, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support the blurb would need to specify that this is a 23-yr old record. The age of the record is the most interesting part. We usually post records this old, but I just saw that the 110 hurdle broken a few weeks ago was 28yr old. Nergaal (talk) 14:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong suport per nom. That's a big deal. - EugεnS¡m¡on 15:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I've just watched yet another world record fall in the Olympics, this time at the velodrome. Yesterday an American swimmer beat her own record by a country mile, smashed it. We can't keep posting some of these (as I warned) because it's unfair to subjectively apply dubious criteria as to what make a world record more world-recordy than another world record. Olympics is Ongoing, by the way. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:25, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Can't we have a rule that if a world record is one of the x% oldest in athletics or swimming then it's breaking gets posted? With x chosen such that it's not too common. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:16, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course we could have something like that. But getting some consensus on that may take longer than we all have left on this rotating disk. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:19, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It looks like a consensus formed at the entery for Kendra Harrison breaking 100m hurdles due to how long the previous record stood. So far several of the.opposers here have forced only on how fast the new time was, using Kate Ledecky who broke her own record set this January as a counterpoint, overlooking the obvious fact that this broken record stood much longer than in the case of Ledecky.--67.68.161.51 (talk) 21:34, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I would consider the rarely as being more important and personally would not care how small the gap was. Kendra Harrison did not smash the 100 metre hurdles record (it was 0.01 faster) but was still put on the main page mainly due to how long the old record stood with no one opposing on the grounds that she did not smash it.--67.68.161.51 (talk) 22:22, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] 2016 Delta Air Lines power outage
--Jax 0677 (talk) 15:49, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply] - Oppose - Not really important, similar incidents have occurred at airports around the world which we have never posted. Peoples flights were delayed or canceled, nothing really that important or unique. Andise1 (talk) 16:05, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Per this article, "This should actually sound familiar, because it’s the third major computer malfunction of a U.S. airline in the past year."
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Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:05, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- He is the Sachin Tendulkar of baseball (okay he was) and Sachin Tendulkar was posted. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 08:40, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- In the States Alex Rodriguez is often called A-Rod. His last game is today. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 09:24, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- But this was posted and MLB is the top level of baseball in the world with players from Japan, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Panama, Venezuela, Colombia, Taiwan, Korea, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Nicaragua, the US.. which is more than the number of Test playing cricket countries. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 10:19, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- So you're saying that MLB players come from a range of countries. Still doesn't make the retirement of one player a significant story. As noted below by an IP editor, test cricket is played in a larger proportion of the world than baseball, making the comparison with Tenkdulkar rather moot. You're comparing apples with oranges. MurielMary (talk) 10:44, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. His 'greatest player' status is tainted by his drug issues. The article states that he is considered "one of the greatest", not "the greatest"; Tendulkar was considered 'the greatest'. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose (and corrected indentation) - Sports retirement postings are very rare (and I would argue none should be posted). The comparison to cricket is of course flawed, as the 'fewer' countries that play test cricket include India and Pakistan, they alone are 20% of the worlds population. A quick adding up shows the countries mentioned as playing baseball add up to about 11%. Not that it matters for this nom, but needed to correct the incorrect statement. 131.251.254.154 (talk) 10:29, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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August 11
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August 11, 2016 (Thursday)
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- August 2016 Thailand bombings
- Two bombs hidden in plant pots explode killing at least one person and injuring 10 others, including foreign tourists, in Hua Hin District, Thailand. (BBC)
- Thirteen people are injured when a roadside bomb hits a Pakistani security vehicle in the southwestern city of Quetta, the same town where at least 74 were killed in a suicide bombing at a hospital on Monday. The police were escorting a judge, who was not injured. (Reuters)
- Syrian Civil War
- Suspected Russian airstrike in Aleppo city kills Khaled Omar Harrah while carrying out a rescue mission. Omar is a Syrian rescue worker who became famous around the world after saving a baby buried for 16 hours under rubble. (The Telegraph)
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- An apartment building explosion in Silver Spring, Maryland, kills at least two and injures 34, with five to seven people missing. The blast has displaced more than 90 residents. Fire and rescue responded to "a smell of gas" on July 25. The cause of the explosion is being investigated. (The Washington Post) (NBC News)
- At least 21 people are killed and five are injured following an explosion at a power plant in the city of Dangyang, Hubei province in central China. The blast occurred around 3:20 p.m. local time, when a high-pressure steam pipe exploded, according to China's official Xinhua News Agency. (Reuters)
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[Posted] Greenland Shark
RD: Hanif Mohammad
70.50.214.180 (talk) 16:34, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose for now. Article quality has a long way to go. Very little is referenced, there's no mention in the article text about the manner or circumstances of his death, it's got a weird organization problem (why are batting statistics listed under family members?!?) Really needs some work before we invite others to read this article through a main page link. --Jayron32 16:39, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Short article, minimal referencing - and the man's entire career is represented by a single graph. This needs a ton of work before it's front-page quality. Challenger l (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose in current state. Graph is insufficient to describe a career, although some of the prose earlier in the article is related to his career - needs re-organisation and improved citations. MurielMary (talk) 10:00, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Boeing's CFO Greg Smith announces that Boeing won't raise production of its 787 Dreamliner to fourteen per month as previously expected, but will keep it at 12 while continuing to monitor demand. (Reuters)
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RD: John Saunders
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RD: Gerald Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster
Nominator's comments: List as "Duke of Westminster". Article being updated as news breaks. Mjroots (talk) 21:40, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - it would be good to have this posted. At the moment we have on RD an Iranian-Kurdish nuclear scientist and a US politician. We could have an Egyptian Nobel laureate (see nomination here) if a kind passing admin could make a decision on that in the next hour or so (is it permitted to ask an admin to look at a nomination that might be ready?), and having an English Duke up there would be nice as well. There is also an Irish bishop. Do the articles need to be worked on to get them to the same standard, or does it depend on the standards of the people 'voting' in these nominations? Carcharoth (talk) 22:19, 9 August 2016 (UTC) Sorry, forgot the Indian minister. Carcharoth (talk) 22:22, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- A proseline of his military career and a list of his children is not post-worthy. Material in the lede about his wealth is not represented in the body. Stephen 01:02, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak oppose not the best written article I've ever seen, but more importantly several claims made there without references. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:49, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Article has been sufficiently improved. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:19, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support While it could use a bit of polish the article appears to meet the basic criteria for RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:42, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment most of the "Titles, styles, honours and arms" section is unreferenced still. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:47, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose on lack of citations e.g. in the lead and other sections. MurielMary (talk) 10:02, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Posted] RD: Kalikho Pul
Nominator's comments: Ex-Chief Minster of Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh allegedly committed suicide by hanging. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:18, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - tidy up needed in: clarity of English e.g. the meaning of "Negi insisted the school's officials" isn't clear; organise facts into chronological order e.g. early life section is out of sequence (marriage in 1990s then health in 1980s). MurielMary (talk) 10:23, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Have copyedited that sentence. Please check; or better still hit the [edit] and help. Have also removed the marriage bit. He had three wives and dunno which marriage happened in 1996. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:05, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support now. MurielMary (talk) 20:38, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- A report showing a negative evaluation of the British Government's Troubled Families programme is leaked to the BBC. (BBC)
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Thai Constitutional Referendum, 2016
Nominator's comments: I'm putting this under 8 August instead of 7 August (the date of the referendum) since this date is when the results were announced Banedon (talk) 01:26, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Withdrawn] Sterile neutrino
Banedon (talk) 02:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply] Similar to the 750 GeV bump earlier this week, this null result is big for particle physics. It may well indicate the desert theory (Desert (particle physics) is true. Don't know which article is better to link to. Sterile neutrino is more directly relevant but it's also more technical. There's little hope to make it less technical as well: it's a difficult topic, not something even an undergraduate in physics can be expected to be familiar with. The Standard Model article is more accessible but still rather technical (although this time it's something a physics undergraduate should be expected to understand ... to some degree). IceCube Neutrino Observatory would link the instrument used, but not the theory. All articles need updating; should be done pretty soon though. Banedon (talk) 02:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Well a null result is still a result - think Michelson-Morley experiment. On a personal level I actually feel this result (and the lack of groundbreaking data from the LHC) is more interesting than the gravitational waves detection earlier this year, since GR is so well-established that gravitational waves not being detected would have been a much bigger story. Banedon (talk) 08:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Michelson-Morley is a classic result because it disproved something that most experts at the time thought to be true (i.e. luminiferous aether), and pointed towards an obvious problem with the then current theoretical understanding of light. By contrast, even before this result there was no consensus that sterile neutrinos must exist at all, and even if they do exist, there isn't a strong reason to assume their mass range is accessible to current experiments (GUT models often suggest sterile neutrino masses of 105 – 1012 GeV, far above the current result). If sterile neutrinos exist, and if they have a relatively low mass, then they make more sense as a dark matter candidate, but they are far from the only dark matter candidate. Altogether, this null result is interesting for particle physics, but it does little to challenge or improve our current understanding of the universe so it is not nearly as important as something like the Michelson-Morley experiment. Dragons flight (talk) 09:07, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Edward Daly
Nominator's comments: late Bishop of Derry; famous for using a handkerchief as a white flag to get wounded people to safety during Bloody Sunday (1972). Article needs a bit of work but is not atrocious. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:12, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose in current state as many statements are not cited; also needs tidy up for paragraphing (so many one-line paragraphs make for difficult reading) and probably different sections/subsections would help with the organisation as well. MurielMary (talk) 09:53, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree. I've done some work on it and I think it looks a lot better now but it could do with more. I've done the "death and legacy" section and everything up to his retirement as Bishop of Derry, but everything between the two is not much more than a collection of factoids. I don't have time for that right now and won't until tomorrow morning. Perhaps somebody else could tidy it up a bit? I've put a lot of the detailed obituaries and coverage of his death in the references section; there's enough there to write a passable article so you wouldn't have to do much research beyond reading those sources if someone was pressed for time. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:45, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak
oppose a few unsourced statements and paragraphs... The Rambling Man (talk) 06:51, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support good work, just one [citation needed] to be resolved. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:22, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Posted Stephen 01:03, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Posted RD] RD or blurb: Shahram Amiri
Nominator's comments: He was executed by Iran on August 3, but it's only making the rounds in the news today as Tehran confirmed it yesterday, hence I'm listing it here. Major story. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:10, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Posted] 2016 Ethiopian protests
Article: 2016 Ethiopian protests (talk · history · tag) Blurb: At least 90 people protesting human rights abuses, corruption and land confiscation have been shot and killed during some of the most violent protests seen in sub-Saharan Africa in recent years. (Post) Alternative blurb: Thousands of people have been attacked and/or arrested during some of the most violent protests in sub-Saharan Africa's recent history. Alternative blurb II: At least 90 people are killed during protests against human rights abuses and corruption in Ethiopia. News source(s): Reuters, BBC, VOA Credits: Nominator's comments: Adding more info as and when updates come. Could use help with an image. These are the most violent protests Sub Saharan Africa has seen in a long time. This is also a region of the world and country that doesn't get on the "In the news" section very often. Monopoly31121993 (talk) 14:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The reports seem to vary how many (if any) are dead. Also, the "most violent protests" aspect of both blurbs seem to be synthesis. If we post this, we should leave it to the reasons why, and not try to express magnitude by this type of language. --MASEM (t) 14:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait. There's potential for a clear-cut post here. The article needs a bit of work but that should happen naturally as details emerge. Of bigger concern is the blurb. I'm a bit hesitant to go with (the normally gold-standard) Reuters due to the way they seem to have arrived at that headline. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 14:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment – Blurb definitely needs work to be more neutral. Should just be simple and state that people died/were arrested in protests in the country. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Stating the facts (number of people killed) and the reason why they were protesting is very neutral and NPOV. Just "state that peopled died"? Wikipedia states facts like the number of people killed all the time. Stories from Africa should be treated equally.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 17:07, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The third blurb added by Masem is what I was looking for. The sensationalism of "shot and killed" and "most violent" was what needed to be avoided. Sorry for not conveying that properly. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:13, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Plus I noticed that the "most violent protest" is comparing to a Dec 2015 event, which is far too recent to be calling this out to make this much that more important. (I do not question the general importance of this, just the pleading-type of language to try to elevate it beyond what NPOV would require us). We can identify the cause of the protests because that is key context here. --MASEM (t) 17:28, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support alt 2 as most neutral blurb. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:54, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Alt 2 but suggest change to simple present tense: At least 90 people are killed.... Sca (talk) 20:47, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- That could change. Not a news ticker. Sca (talk) 00:45, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Quetta bombing
Nominator's comments: Adding more info as and when updates come. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree that more info should be added but not sure why reactions would be "crap" when we have quotefarms at Category:Reactions to terrorist attacks. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 16:15, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Quotefarms are considered a bad thing. Abductive (reasoning) 01:01, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Where does any Wikipedia guideline or policy support that personal opinion? The Rambling Man (talk) 06:13, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – Notability is clear, and article is just long enough. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:06, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – High death toll, covered by many major news sources, article is okay Spiderone 17:31, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Approximately, a mobe of 200 (Mourners) targeted. Above 100 injured half of them are fatal. Nearly 100 (above 80) have lost their lives. Nannadeem (talk) 17:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: Significant, well sourced and enoughly expanded to be placed in In The News. Nauriya (Rendezvous) 23:01, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Support I am becoming increasingly reluctant to support the weekly (at least) terrorist attacks in places where such are extremely common, even with comparatively high death tolls. These kinds of mass casualty attacks in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq occur with a frequency rivaling mass shootings in the United States. I concede that some will need to be posted, but, the bar for my support is going to a bit higher than previously. Not sure exactly where that will be. But I think that this is probably on the low end of what I am likely to support in the future. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:20, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Pakistan is not Iraq nor Afghanistan where ISIS and American forces kill with impunity. -39.46.11.173 (talk) 18:43, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- History suggests that both the US and Al Qaeda do indeed kill with impunity in that country. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:57, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Midget Farrelly
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[Posted] Hurricane Earl
Nominator's comments: Unexpectedly deadly in Mexico; deadliest single Atlantic hurricane since Sandy in 2012. The effects in the Dominican Republic (13 deaths) could be included in the blurb, but they happened days prior and were far less significant. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 02:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Posted] 2016 Macedonian floods
Nominator's comments: The news appears on the front page of the BBC for hours. I have created the article with the main information available in public for now. The article will be updated with all the news once they come in. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:40, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support reasonable article, certainly newsworthy, tragic. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:17, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support the event is notable enough for ITN, and the article is probably just about long enough. Joseph2302 22:21, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support - agree with Joseph2302 above. Banedon (talk) 05:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – Deadly natural disaster in an area you don't see them terribly often. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 05:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support - article quality is slightly concerning, though there's no question of notability. — TORTOISEWRATH 05:59, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Posting. --Tone 08:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] 3,000th hit
Nominator's comments: Ichiro Suzuki gets 3,000th MLB hit. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:37, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply] - Oppose – Baseball trivia; notable, but not ITN-worthy. According to the MLB list, there are 29 other players that have achieved this feat, most recently Alex Rodriguez just last year. That milestone was not even nominated for ITN ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 02:46, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - No blurb to assess, trivial statistic, would go against precedent since we did not post other sports statistics such as the Golden State Warriors beating the record for the most wins in a season, and not that spectacular since the whole point of baseball is to hit the ball. Andise1 (talk) 03:46, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - gotta agree with Cyclonebiskit. Also people who don't play baseball are unlikely to know what an "MLB hit" is, and why it matters. Banedon (talk) 05:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose trivia. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:24, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose What even is a baseball hit? Not a significant, worldwide achievement. Joseph2302 07:14, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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