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Resignation of Armenian PM

 Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:19, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Third Child of Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

Nominator's comments: This is going to be going round the world like wildfire when the states wakes up to this news, this is going to to be in the news all round the world and has already begun. WTKitty (talk) 12:09, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Provisional Support - once there is an article and it is properly suitable and referenced for the main page.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:19, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See Third child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. Very much a stub as of time of writing this.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Changing to neutral, as we didn't post one for Charlotte. Yet another example of how ITN is IMHO dysfunctional because it serves as a vassal for editor prejudice and original research rather than reader convenience and the posting of things that are actually *in the news*. But hey ho, there's nothing I can do about that I guess...  — Amakuru (talk) 12:46, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru What "prejudice" is involved here? No prejudice was involved in forming my opinion. ITN is not a news ticker and has never been based solely on what is in the news(if it were, we would post Donald Trump's tweets almost daily); we use factors like editorial judgement and article quality to evaluate what merits posting. As I stated, we did not post Charlotte because her birth is of little consequence as she is not directly in line for the throne, once George has kids she will be bumped down. The same goes for this child. 331dot (talk) 12:53, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. We posted George because he is directly in line for the throne, we didn't post Charlotte because she isn't, the same should go for this son. Once George has children, his new brother will be bumped down the line. 331dot (talk) 12:36, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per 331dot. Mjroots (talk) 12:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Children are born all the time. What 331dot said. talk to !dave 12:40, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose. George was maybe justified (just about) as he will probably become king some day. Other more minor royal births are not. It would be huge systemic bias if we posted this sort of story about the British royal family but not those of other countries. Just being in the news is not sufficient for ITN; we are not a tabloid newspaper. Modest Genius ^talk 12:51, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Along the lines of Extra, Extra: Woman Has Baby; Bear Defecates In Woods. —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 12:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Per Modest Genius; the number of "ifs" for this child to become king are too many to count. --Masem (t) 13:27, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - by the logic above how did the winner of a horse race get to be in the news then? It is still just a horse race and hundreds take place each day. What is being missed here is this is not What is notable but what is in the news. Articles are for what is notable. ITN is well for what is in the news that is connected to articles. This event will have more coverage than it deseerves, but it will get massive amounts of coverage. How this does not meet the ITN standards is beyond me. All I see from the opposers is I don't like this being given news coverage so lets not include it. That is not hwo ITN works AFAIK. WTKitty (talk) 13:28, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kyrgyzstan PM

Nominator's comments: Not ITNR but considering the stability situation in the region, this change of govt seems pretty big.
Granted the article is woeful, but if its supportive pending improvements here then that'd be an incentive to improve the article. (MKR down under may be getting more headlines but this is more globally important). Lihaas (talk) 05:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Not Worthy He's not even the leader of the country (Kyrgyzstan is a presidential republic), and I doubt we'd even post news about a new president here. Sorry, just an impoverished minor and in general unimportant country of a few million people. Randomnickname567 (talk) 08:50, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. No evidence of widespread news coverage. I will note for Randomnickname567 that Kyrgyszstan has transitioned to a parliamentary system according to Prime Minister of Kyrgyzstan.331dot (talk) 09:04, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OH well. Still, a country with population of 6 million and gdp the size of Guam's is not worthy an ITN mention, imho. Randomnickname567 (talk) 09:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Size and population are irrelevant. Per longstanding consensus, we post most if not all changes in head-of-state. Also, please leave your jingoistic sentiments at the door; your comments about the country being "unimportant" and "not worthy" are frankly insulting.--WaltCip (talk) 13:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 2018 Kabul suicide bombing

Nominator's comments: Barely a stub now, but with nearly 60 people killed its guaranteed to be posted once it has a few more lines of prose. LaserLegs (talk) 14:39, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Why does this terrorist attack in an area of frequent terrorist attacks merit posting? 331dot (talk) 14:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • We posted last months... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/March_2018#(Posted)_Kabul_suicide_bombing --LaserLegs (talk) 14:46, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • .....which I wasn't too keen on either, and kinda goes to my point that these attacks are frequent. Are we going to post one of these a month? 331dot (talk) 17:41, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose on article quality. It's a stub and will require significant expansion before it could be posted. As for the merits, I see 331dot's point. These events have become common place over there. Assuming the article is sufficiently improved, I would likely give it a weak support only due to the high death toll. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose tragic but commonplace event that probably doesn't require an article, and should be subsumed into a list of attacks in that region. Stephen 02:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose and share the sentiment that this shouldn't even deserve a standalone page. It is pure WP:RECENTISM in action. Before even this is developed above mere news pieces paraphrasing; another bomb will explode and all attention will be to the new stub. In the next few years we will be left with thousands of permanent stubs on everyday's bombing. –Ammarpad (talk) 04:14, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

support IFF the article is up to scratch. this is a high death toll even for Afghan standards.Lihaas (talk) 04:52, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Fadi Mohammad al-Batsh

Nominator's comments: Palestinian lecturer. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:44, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Newly created. After further review I may nominate it for AfD, unless why he is notable (apart from death news) is added. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:41, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• This is clearly a BLP1E, and should be at "Assassination of Fadi Mohammad al-Batsh" (the reactions are more notable then the person). And right now, as a non-RD blurb news item, I don't see this yet significant to merit posting. --Masem (t) 13:15, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Nabi Tajima

 Ryan Reeder (talk) 01:49, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's comments: World's oldest person, longest-lived person thus far in the 21st century, and third-oldest of all time

• Support --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 03:45, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Shortish but reasonably referenced. Capitalistroadster (talk) 07:40, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Agree with Capitalistroadster. Jusdafax (talk) 08:49, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support She's the last person born in the nineteenth century to die, does that deserve a blurb? Davey2116 (talk) 09:51, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly. We gave a blurb to the last person born in the 1800s, Emma Morano.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 10:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DOB says August 4, 1900 ... which would be the start of the 20th century. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:21, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, the 20th century began on January 1st, 1901. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:09, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah? Ok, I stand corrected. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:38, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I had to add a CN tag. Given this is the last person born in the 19th century, I'd support a blurb. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:38, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Article in good shape for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:28, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 22:56, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Verne Troyer

 JuneGloom07 Talk 20:36, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak oppose: Filmography and television section unreferenced. Plus, I just realized how odd this article does not have a career section highlighting his life in his acting life. Main issue is unreferenced filmography section. Support All issues fixed. Great work! Ready for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:26, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as mentioned above, no career section. It jumps from his childhood to his personal life and death. Anarcho-authoritarian (talk) 23:02, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose due to lack of referenced filmography. Capitalistroadster (talk) 23:14, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose until a sourced career section is added and the filmography is sourced. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:22, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, we have one now and it looks good. Support. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose this is so far from acceptable I doubt it can be improved in time. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:06, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Probably good enough now. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:00, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support filmography referenced thanks to work by Skr15081997 and career section added by Neegzistuoja, good job by both, now ready Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Quality concerns appear to have been addressed. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:07, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• @TDKR Chicago 101, Anarcho-authoritarian, Capitalistroadster, Muboshgu, and Power~enwiki: Neegzistuoja has added a detailed career section and I have sourced the entire filmography section; both film and TV roles. --Skr15081997 (talk) 13:11, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. Article looks brief but passable, all sourced. Challenger l (talk) 13:14, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Its sourced and all, but I find it rather lacking beyond just documenting his career. It's very bland. I realize his career path into films is not a deep and motivational journey compared to people like Brad Pitt, and we're not going to have a superlong article, but we should be able to get past how bland this currently reads. Unfortunately, those are likely concerns past ITN's role. --Masem (t) 13:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Looks fine. Aiken D 13:27, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support All sections of the article look complete and are correctly sourced. OtterAM (talk) 15:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - all sections sourced. Other concerns such as expansion of life and career section is something to be taken care of after or during ITN. We review article quality and it is sufficient for ITN inclusion. Ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 15:56, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - It’s ready, I agree. Jusdafax (talk) 21:33, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 22:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

India death penalty for child rapists

Nominator's comments: Making news because of the two cases. Sherenk1 (talk) 16:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Domestic legislation change. Capital punishment in India for other crimes has been in existence before. Brandmeister^talk 17:02, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. The death penalty already existed in India. They can apply it (or not apply it) to whatever crimes they wish. 331dot (talk) 19:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment it's in the news, I'm inclined to support, but the target needs to be changed to Capital punishment in India and updated accordingly. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:08, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Oppose It's not insignificant but we have historically avoided this kind of internal legislative news. In the unlikely event that this does get posted I agree with the above comments that we need to change the target article which I have not looked at for quality purposes. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:00, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Concur with 331dot. This is insignificant pronouncement. Combined with poor article target. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:59, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as this is essentially domestic legislation, and captla punishment is certainly not unprecedented in India. EternalNomad (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - the point is that these cases (especially the latter) have been dominating Indian news. Check the aftermath section of the Kathua rape case article for example. The blurb does make it seem like domestic legislation, but I can't think of a better one. Banedon (talk) 22:42, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

oppose considering the executive asks the final KANGAROO court to review its decision...this is nothing more than vote grabbing.Lihaas (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Brandmeister MAINEiac4434 (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Shane Yarran

 Samuel Wiki (talk) 12:57, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Short but adequate and decently referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:58, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 23:06, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose The article has undue weight on his legal problems.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:23, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• It isn't undue weight because he really did have a very short professional career and a lot of legal problems. - Samuel Wiki (talk) 12:39, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• This still a BLP, and I’m uncomfortable that an article with so much negative information would be put on the Main Page when he has just taken his own life. Ultimately the admins will decide if my concerns have validity. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:12, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Well referenced. Noting that, it is also undue to try to balance what is not balanced in reliable sources. –Ammarpad (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD : Rajinder Sachar

 Skr15081997 (talk) 11:51, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Very weak oppose in good condition but since it's BLP those [citation needed] really should be addressed before we feature this on the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:34, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, article has been updated and sources added wherever required. --Skr15081997 (talk) 15:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

North Korea nuclear site

 50.30.144.20 (talk) 22:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose quite the surprise, however the target article is a stub class with no mention of the shut down. In addition, the article provided is very vague in terms of content, as it does not mention why North Korea shut down the facility; most of the content in the source is also just a repeat of past events. SamaranEmerald (talk) 22:47, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment There is a bit more to this story than just shutting down the test site; I've added a different target and blurb, though the target is not yet updated with this news. --Masem (t) 00:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Conditional Oppose if it wasn’t for the fact that the summit between Kim and Moon are next week, I would undoubtedly support this nomination. However the summit itself will be the dominating news next week, which will largely make this nomination, should it be posted, obsolete. Kirliator (talk) 00:31, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait – This whole situation remains in flux. Suggest we wait to see whether the proclaimed sea change in DPRK policies actually comes to pass – in some tangible way. Sca (talk) 14:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Avicii

Nominator's comments: Lacking references as of this nomination. --TompaDompa (talk) 17:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak support blurb Given his influence on pop music in general (indeed, he appeared on many lists of influential young musicians), I feel he is on the borderline of blurb/RD listing. Sceptre (talk) 17:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• support blurb - He is a major figure within music. His death is reported world wide.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak oppose for RD. Article is in fairly good shape source-wise, although the writing leaves a lot to be desired - it's basically all WP:PROSELINE. There are a couple of CN tags to fix and the discography needs referencing, which shouldn't take too long. Don't think he's blurb worthy.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose blurb No, obviously no blurb. Being among a influental young musician is very very far from being top of one's field. Needs a few references here and there but overall looks pretty near ready Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose blurb - According to WP:ITNRD, "In rare cases, the death of major transformative world leaders in their field may merit a blurb". While Avicii has been quite famous in the past few years, he was hardly "transformative" or "leader" in his field. Is there any award or other recognition that named him as the top in world music? HaEr48 (talk) 17:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support RD, wait on blurb. If the death itself becomes newsworthy for the manner of death, then we can revisit the blurb. So far, all we know is that he died. If we can't say more than that, RD is sufficient. --Jayron32 18:00, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support RD, no opinion on blurb as per above. Nice4What (talk) 18:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support RD Unexpected, tragic, article looks good enough, but not that big for a blurb. talk to !dave 18:12, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support RD - As with others, I think we should wait on blurb until the circumstances behind the death become apparent. Jayden (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support RD (once a few unsourced paras are dealt with) but Oppose blurb - Barbara Bush was certainly more influential than him, and is only in RD. -Zanhe (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support RD as an unexpected passing of a big name in his field, but Oppose blurb on general notability. Radagast (talk) 18:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb Support blurb on principle, wikipedia's editor base is normally not into modern EDM music, but it's one of the biggest music genres in todays market and he is one of it's biggest names, the unexpected young death of a supremely popular (his biggest single has 1.4 billion views on youtube) musician should be exactly what the blurb feature is made for. There's no precedent for such a big EDM musician to have died so obviously there's noone to compare it too, Frankie Knuckles never had mainstream popularity. This is the first death of a worldwide EDM figure. The Barbara Bush comparison is odd, she is not even close to being one of the most notable first ladies, unlike Avicii in EDM. Certainly meets the Paul Walker and Carrie Fisher standard, the difference here is that Star Wars and action movies appeal to an older white male base that edits Wikipedia. GuzzyG (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support RD, oppose blurb Definitely not making the same kind of impact of Paul Walker or Carrie Fisher's deaths, nor anywhere close to Mandela/Thatcher/Prince/Bowie. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

this was first reported two hours ago, how can you be so sure? GuzzyG (talk) 18:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure Fisher and Walker news was louder two hours after their deaths were reported. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously a cardiac arrest on a public flight and a car crash are more tabloid worthy then an undisclosed cause of death in Oman but we're an encyclopedia and what is more important, first death of a international (1.4 billion views on ONE song) EDM performer, or two character actors, i don't even listen to this kind of rubbish but a point has to be made if 1.4 billion people (more would be unaccounted) have listened to your song and you have died young and unexpected like this and not to mention the FIRST major performer in your field then by principle you should be blurb worthy. When historians track specific 21st century entertainment who will show up more, Avicii or Paul Walker? GuzzyG (talk) 19:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted to RD. — xaosflux ^Talk 19:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• oppose blurb not Thatcher or Mandela --LaserLegs (talk) 21:17, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• To be fair, I can't see his DJ sets being that riveting if he was either of those two. Oh, and obviously RD only. Black Kite (talk) 21:19, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Final comment, i'm in shock, honestly - this Thatcher/Mandela saying has to go if we posted people like Walker and Fisher. IF you're expecting Thatcher/Mandela types then that's like 10 people a century. I think it's a straight up disgrace that a 10 day old aircrash is still on our main page but a leader in their genre dying at an unexpected young age and the number one story on the front page of BBC cannot be posted. 11 billion streams on spotify and you're not of "sufficient worldwide notability". A joke. I dislike this kind of music and am generally a luddite but i call it for what it is. GuzzyG (talk) 21:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I consider Walker/Fisher/Prince to be mistakes, and I don't believe compounding errors undoes those which are past. 10 people in a century? Sure, sounds good to me. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:14, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb: Just my opinion as it's not going to happen. This Thatcher/Mandela yardstick would be honourable but it hasn't been fully uniform. I would honestly not put Debbie Reynolds, Carrie Fisher and Paul Walker in that category of people who changed the course of human history. However there have been people from the world of popular culture whose premature deaths have been news stories in an of themselves. I'm not talking cult figures like Lil Peep, but when someone measurably famous like Avicii or Chester Bennington dies prematurely that falls in the same bracket as Fisher and Walker: well-known, contributed to multi-million dollar works, death is big news but not world changer. Just my two cents. Harambe Walks (talk) 00:19, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Who are Reynolds, Fisher or Walker? I would have oppose their blurbs as well. Also, if we post blurb for Avicii then in the future someone might cite it as precedent to allow even more "famous people" blurbs. IMO, we should stick with the bar set formally by WP:ITNRD, "the death of major transformative world leaders in their field may merit a blurb", and not by previous example which might have been a mistake. HaEr48 (talk) 00:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Post Posting Oppose Significant gaps in referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:40, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Significant? The article overall is mostly well referenced, you only added about 3 or 4 CN tags. Does an article really need to be perfect to be listed as in the news? – numbermaniac 01:27, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • BLPs usually need to be correctly and comprehensively referenced, if that's what you mean by "perfect"? The Rambling Man (talk) 02:36, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • True. It's not really a BLP anymore though, but I get your point. – numbermaniac 08:01, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • FWIW, we consider articles related to the recently deceased to still be covered by BLP (generally for 6 mo to 2 years from their death, depending). --Masem (t) 13:14, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting

Nominator's comments: Tidy article about a meeting of about 50 governments, almost all represented by their heads of government. Prince Charles' appointment as the next head is the main BBC headline, but I prefer simply linking to the article. I believe it's just closing as I type, a few past/preent/future tense issues can be ironed out over the next few hours. LukeSurl ^{t c} 16:03, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose "Commonwealth leaders meet"... so what? What makes this meeting more notable than any other? It's not Prince Charles. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:10, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support decent article, in the news. Blurb should mention Charles even if it's not the bold article. A table of attendees would be nice, but not required. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:02, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Over the last few years ITN has shifted to posting summits only when they have major outcomes. The only concrete result from this CHOGM seems to be agreeing how the succession will work when Elizabeth II finally dies, which hasn't happened yet. Otherwise it's just the usual chat between politicians. Modest Genius ^talk 18:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - I don't really think there's anything too significant about this. Jayden (talk) 18:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak Support - hard to find articles about it from outside the Commonwealth, but then again the Commonwealth covers a lot so I guess it's newsworthy. Juxlos (talk) 17:50, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per LaserLegs and Jayden, the Commonwealth spans some 50+ nations, so this not a small diplomatic meeting. Even if it only reaffirms Prince Charles as Elizabeth II’ successor to the throne, it’s still newsworthy in my opinion. Kirliator (talk) 00:41, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Concur that meeting of 50-or thereabout of heads of state is non trivial diplomatic meeting and it doesn't happen always. This is really also in the news. –Ammarpad (talk) 04:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose We recently removed the G20 as an ITNR [Removed_Remove:_G20_summits], but would still allow a G20 to be posted if something of significant note occurred. I see that that same principle should apply here. The fact the Commonwealth leaders are meeting is not news itself, it is whatever resolves come out of it. --Masem (t) 05:31, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was removed because the target article was not up to scratch -- not because "not soccer and no deaths". --LaserLegs (talk) 19:09, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose really not significant. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:35, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Walter Moody

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Sourcing is fine. (However, I do think this fails BLPCRIME, he's only notable for the bombing and trial, and so really should be covered at something like Death of Robert Smith Vance. However, that issue can wait until after the RD is off the page. --Masem (t) 06:01, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - referenced. Notable. Ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 09:35, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Good referencing throughout the article, seems fine to post. – numbermaniac 13:37, 20 April 2018 (
• Support Bombing AND trial? that sounds like two events to me ;). Not to mention the execution (the oldest), counting three events to me. GuzzyG (talk) 18:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 21:17, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Agnès-Marie Valois

Nominator's comments: New article that is a bit short, but I believe sufficient as it is difficult to expand her story a lot without getting into trivia and legends. Iselilja (talk) 22:59, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article well developed and well sourced for a newborn article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support good enough. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:35, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment needs a one line prose update stating date and place of death, then GTG. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:28, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  Done Iselilja (talk) 15:59, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted. 331dot (talk) 08:08, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Armenia protests

Nominator's comments: Article is a little under prepared, but the protests are daily and if precedent in georgia is anything this is getting precarious. "Velvet Revolution" they are calling it (yes, soros' closed society sounds involved). --Lihaas (talk) 23:09, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose article is out of date, no blurb is suggested, bad nom. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Seems premature. The article mentions only 100 protesters, so as yet is not anywhre near the scale for an ITN posting.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:07, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose for now but conditional support if there's even a blurb to support (that's kind of important) and the article is improved. I'm interested, but the article has very poor translations in it such as "Oppositional signals spark the flag of Armenia, clamoring for the motto of the movement" which even with context does't make sense. The article needs a lot of work and the nom didn't even offer a blurb for me to support, so oppose by default, but if improvements are made before this closes as oppose I'll reconsider my vote. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 13:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per all of the above. Kirliator (talk) 00:27, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - In the news now. And article looks good. Added blurb as well. Sherenk1 (talk) 10:26, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Changing !vote to Support - The new blurb looks good and there has been significant progress made on the article. Now that The Rambling Man's concern has been dealt with & Pawnking's concern that there were only 100 protesters is obsolete (now there's reportedly well over 50,000 participating and hundreds of arrests) I no longer have reasons to oppose this blurb. The latest developments in this event seem to be warning signs of a government in crisis, meaning this story demonstrates long-term significance regardless of whether the protests succeed or fail. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 17:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose on notability, really a minor protest. The article claims that 115k people participated in it (some 5 times the size of the largest rally during the 2014 revolution in the Ukraine), but it's sourced by twitter of all places. Which brings me to the quality threshold, which I think the article does not pass. Many statements are very poorly sourced by twitter/facebook posts, many are not sourced at all. IF someone fixes them then maybe I can tentatively support it, but then the blurb should mention the actual number of people on the square since the current one may be misleading, not to mention that arresting an mp in itself for organising a rally is not in itself ITN-worthy Randomnickname567 (talk) 10:23, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled) Kingdom of eSwatini

Nominator's comments: Marking the country's 50th anniversary of independence, Swaziland's King Mswati III officially renames the country the Kingdom of eSwatini. (BBC) --
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 18:30, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. Unusual.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Unusal and interesting. But Oppose for now based on article quality. Needs to be fully referenced and updated.BabbaQ (talk) 18:53, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose The nominator's comments say more than the article does. If it's to mark the 50th anniversary of independence then the article needs to be updated to say that. But even if it's updated and referenced, I still don't think it's that notable. It's the whim of an absolute monarch. Has it been recognized by any other government?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. How is this ITNR? 331dot (talk) 19:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• It quite clearly isn't, so I've modified the template.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:53, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hasn't this been done before? Sca (talk) 20:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support in principle an interesting and non-death related story. However, there needs to be a good update... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Also support in principle, but that update isn't good enough. One sentence that explains it less than the nomination comment above. I want to know why "eSwatini". – Muboshgu (talk) 22:36, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• weak wait until UN or AU recognize it.Lihaas (talk) 23:06, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  UN or AU don't need to recognise it. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:13, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  I don’t think either organisation has any mechanism for or interest in objecting to a name change. If a recognised member turns up and says “this is my new name now” that’s it. —LukeSurl ^{t c} 08:09, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support seems very obvious. So what if it's the whim of an absolute monarch - it's still something that affects the entire country fundamentally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Banedon (talk • contribs) 03:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per the above. The update is a tad thin but adequate. Davey2116 (talk) 03:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support And one of my 75 wives to the admin who posts this. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Posting. --Tone 09:17, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose and pull? Seriously, from a quality standpoint the article is not even close. Did any of the supporters actually bother to read it? Whole huge unreferenced sections. We demand better from an RD posting of some TV actress. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • You obviously didn't bother to read my above comment or TRM's, or BabbaQ's. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:58, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • You and TRM mentioned the update, not the referencing issues. Oh well, I'm just a terrible human being I suppose. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Pull Referencing is dreadful with huge gaps. How did this get posted? -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Pulled The referencing is indeed awful - even a few of the Support comments noted that it wasn't currently fit to post, and they're right. Black Kite (talk) 14:03, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. This definitely needs more work.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:54, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• General aside The Government of the Kingdom of Swaziland appears to be completely unaware of this, and their current press releases—example—are still using "Swaziland" exclusively in their English-language text. ‑ Iridescent 16:03, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – This story seemed intriguing and slightly humorous, but in retrospect the play accorded it on major news sites (BBC, Guardian, Reuters, NYT) seems to have been excessive, even hypey. Sca (talk) 17:13, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Post-pulling support in principle - once the sourcing concerns are fixed, I'd support re-adding it. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 17:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment if you ask me, this was the King’s decision, I’m not sure if he took into account of the world accepting the name change immediately. It will probably be called Swaziland in general for ages to come. Python Dan (talk) 02:42, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New president of Cuba

Nominator's comments: Diaz-Canel was selected as the only candidate on Wednesday and RSs are indicating that he will be unanimously approved by the National Assembly on Thursday (i.e. later today). We should post as soon as that happens, which will be the point he officially takes over. However his article is a bit bare bones at present, with only one sentence of update edit: I've added a short section. Modest Genius ^talk 12:39, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• I think the article is in a good shape. Ready to post when the handover takes place (ping me). --Tone 13:09, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --Tone 14:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Article is entirely inadequate for a head of state. It is only barely past a stub. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not aware of a 'Head of state' article guideline, perhaps you could link to it? Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As he is described as "a party technocrat who is little-known to the public" there's probably not much more out there to add to the article.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:16, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I am basing my oppose on past precedent at ITN. We generally have a higher standard for presidents prime ministers etc. But in all honesty I think I would oppose posting this in its current state even if it wasn't a head of state. It is not up to scratch for the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:19, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As Cuba is a sovereign state its covered under ITN/R and so postable as long as the quality is of a sufficient level. The article is shorter than some (given the new President is a relatively unknown technocrat in a single-party communist regime that is not exactly unusual) however it is sourced, contains the relevant biographical info and no glaring errors. Most heads of state have long careers in the public eye before they reach the top spot. Cuba has been about the Castro's and only the Castro's for the last 50 years+. Coupled with the wide variety of sanctions on the country, the lack of information in the western media on other public figures there is also not unusual. Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:36, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. IMHO an article that can be summed up as "X exists, was born on... was a party technocrat... and is now the dictator err... President of country Y" no matter how well sourced, is not the kind of quality article we promote on the front page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:46, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• ITNA is fairly clear about the need for consensus before posting. I fail to see why this had to be posted so quickly before discussion could take place. ghost 15:33, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm all for speedy admin actions on ITN/R items. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 15:44, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• The quality of ITNR items must be discussed at ITNC, as you well know. If it was a GA, sure, but the article is short and lean. Some people may have raised legitimate objection if given time. ghost 16:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Post-posting Support It's ITN/R and although the target article is short I see no major deficiencies.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:46, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment switch the image please! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:59, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Agreed, the boring golf club photo has been on the main page way too long! -Zanhe (talk) 18:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Image switched. Courcelles (talk) 18:33, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Post-posting weak oppose - This should not have been posted while the article President of Cuba was in such bad shape. Not only is that article lacking in sources (with a tag almost a year old), but it doesn't make clear that the real leader of Cuba is First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba (and that is still Raúl Castro). Adpete (talk) 23:53, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Further comment: perhaps the blurb could also say, while Castro remains First Secretary. Adpete (talk) 23:58, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Are you suggesting that any other articles linked in ITN blurbs should be subject to the same level of quality scrutiny as the main target? The Rambling Man (talk) 00:00, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I actually thought that was the case. If it isn't, there should at least be some scrutiny of them. Now, backtracking slightly on my "real leader" comment, I've seen another source (BBC) that says Díaz-Canel will in fact become the "real leader"; while the The Guardian link says it's more of a transition. I don't know, but I think the additional link to First Secretary might help. Adpete (talk) 00:08, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's not nor as I believe to be true, has ever been the case. The Rambling Man (talk) 00:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What, zero scrutiny on an article linked from the ITN blurb? Surely that's a policy that needs fixing. Anyway, on this blurb and link, I argue that something needs to change because it's not a simple succession but more like a transition arrangement. See e.g. NY Times ("Castros still hold sway" [4]); ABC ("Castro is almost certain to remain the most powerful person in Cuba for the time being" [5]). Adpete (talk) 00:20, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a policy. The Rambling Man (talk) 00:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have an opinion on my proposed amendment to the blurb? Adpete (talk) 00:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The posted blurb is just fine and reflects reliable sources. The Rambling Man (talk) 00:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Remove from ongoing: Gaza border protests

Nominator's comments: These protests are no longer making headlines. Last activity noted in the article is 16 April, last major protests were 13 April. LukeSurl ^{t c} 10:44, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Pull per OP. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:15, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removal - done and dusted for the time being. Stormy clouds (talk) 16:11, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removal good to get rid of. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:51, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Removed Stephen 04:57, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
•   Comment: Stephen: Are you sure that it's no longer an ongoing event? So, what are these sources saying:

• Israeli fire in new Gaza border protest kills 2 Palestinians, by AP published in Washington Post, April 20 at 8:50 AM. (See also Israeli Fire in New Gaza Border Protest Kills 2 Palestinians, by US News)
• The Insanity at the Gaza Fence, by the NY Times April 20, 2018.
• Israel drops leaflets warning Gaza protesters to keep away from fence, by Times of Israel Today, 8:32 am.
• FEATURE/ISRAEL The Palestinian women at the forefront of Gaza's protests, by Aljazeera 5 hours ago.
• Two Palestinians shot dead as Gaza protests resume, by i24NEWS 04/20/2018 (updated at 5:33:12 PM)

...and the article is getting updates. The removal was an immature decision. --Mhhossein ^talk 13:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• The only substantive new information to the article, made after it was pulled, was a single sentence about a Woman's protest. It may or may not still be in the news, that's of minimal importance given that if no one can be bothered to expand the article with that information, there's no need to keep it in ongoing. It may be the biggest story in the world right now; that doesn't matter if the article is not receiving quality updates. If you can provide enough information to make it clear that this article needs, and is getting, daily updates then sure, maybe we can add it to ongoing. At the state it was in when it was removed, that was not evident from the article text. --Jayron32 14:20, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• You are amazingly closing your eyes on those sources. --Mhhossein ^talk 18:03, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• What Jayron32 is telling you—correctly—is that we don't care about the sources for the purposes of ITN. The purpose of the Main Page is to highlight quality Wikipedia articles, not to highlight articles for which sources exist but which haven't been written. ‑ Iridescent 18:12, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• What I find amazing is that the amount of effort you just wasted complaining about this could have been better applied to fixing the article text. Had you, days ago, added that information to the article then it, very likely, would never have come up in discussion to be removed from ongoing. As usual, it's much easier to assume some mysterious "others" will do necessary work, and then complain when it isn't done. Go fix the article, because posting sources here is of no use to the encyclopedia. --Jayron32 18:15, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's right, the article needs to get updates. Thank you. --Mhhossein ^talk 16:47, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jerry Green (politician)

Nominator's comments: Member of the New Jersey General Assembly from 1992 to 2018. --Skr15081997 (talk) 15:45, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dale Winton

 The Rambling Man (talk) 20:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - Referencing not up to scratch. Mjroots (talk) 06:08, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose for now, due to referencing especially of stuff that could be contentious. Aiken D 06:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC) Now support. Aiken D 21:57, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I've just trimmed the uncited contentious stuff that I couldn't find cites for that were guaranteed not to be a circular citation and referenced everything else. Miyagawa (talk) 17:56, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - now seems perfectly well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:28, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Sufficiently improved.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:30, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - improved.BabbaQ (talk) 19:04, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 22:08, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Trial against president Nicolás Maduro

Nominator's comments: I'm not sure if this should be considered for the ITN sections, but I'd still like to open a discussion. Venezuela currently has a de jure Supreme Tribunal, also called the Supreme Tribunal in exile, named during last year's protests, and a de facto one. Not long ago the de jure Supreme Tribunal approved the pre trial of Maduro due to corruption charges realted to Operation Car Wash after a motion was introduced by the former Attorney General Luisa Ortega Díaz, and yesterday the opposition controlled Assembly approved to proceed with the trial with a two thirds majority, legally removing him from the presidency. Although it's unlikely that Maduro will leave the office, the region has showed support of the decision. Jamez42 (talk) 16:49, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - for fairly obvious reasons we cannot have the target article be in Spanish, or not on en.wikipedia.org. No comment on the nomination thus far however, but without a suitable target article, any further discussion is moot. - Stormy clouds (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose no target article, even the Maduro article doesn't seem to cover this in any detail. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:08, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose As noted by the ABC News article, this trial is mostly symbolic, as those involved have no recognized authority by the current ruling gov't (which I'm aware its the call towards corruption in the gov't that is at issue here). And as this only is a start of the trial, it would be better to recognize when it is over; even if it has no recognized authority, various world leaders may speak towards it and support it. --Masem (t) 17:14, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Conditional oppose - The news section for en.wikipedia.org should link to another article on en.wikipedia.org. If there was an English Wikipedia article that covers the subject, then I may reconsider, but oppose for now. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 16:28, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Close per WP:SNOW. We will not link an article from another wiki at the main page. And the news is not newsworthy anyway: even if this was a regular trial, we would include it as news when there is a sentence, not when the trial has just started. Cambalachero (talk) 19:08, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per the above user. Python Dan (talk) 02:35, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bruno Sammartino

Nominator's comments: Legendary Professional Wrestler and Weightlifter Spman

• Oppose far too much of it is unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:35, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I added an article from the NYT, which covers his death in a lot more detail than the ESPN one (Sammartino was the guy in New York City for a while). Vilhjalmsson (talk) 21:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  It's not just the death that needs referencing, it's all the rest of the article. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:40, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support in principle. Unreferenced, but there's no question about his importance to professional wrestling. Hopefully someone can whip the article into shape. --PlasmaTwa2 23:44, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support this article pretty much needs to be fixed up for this. He's one of the most significant figures in pro wrestling ever.★Trekker (talk) 06:46, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose I feel like the RD boilerplate is not working. Perhaps we need less flowery language? ghost 13:11, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - a few people are working to source this article, myself included. Nikki♥311 18:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Article fixed up to postable shape.LM2000 (talk) 08:10, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Article still has a very few sections that could use CNs but the article has been very well fixed up. Good job! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:26, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Multiple paragraphs that lack a single reference. Stephen 10:43, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Paul Jones

Nominator's comments: Famous professional wrestler and manager for three decades GaryColemanFan

• Support Much like with Samartino I think the pro wrestling project needs to come together here and try to fix up anything that needs fixing.★Trekker (talk) 06:47, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Fixed up enough to post.LM2000 (talk) 08:10, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Article well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:25, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Multiple paragraphs that lack a single reference. Stephen 10:45, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Southwest Airlines Flight 1380

(Posted RD) RD: Barbara Bush

Nominator's comments: Former US First Lady. EternalNomad (talk) 23:46, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong support. Just confirmed that she has indeed died at the age of 92. I would also weakly support a complete blurb as this is a very significant death given the impact that Mrs. Bush had on many issues and topics. 66.31.81.200 (talk) 23:53, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Sadly oppose Such a beautiful and very heartfelt passing, but the article needs source work. I'll wait til the obits come in so fix the article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:56, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Support RD: Article is in okay enough shape for RD posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:42, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So 63 standard citations and 5 additional references is still considered “needing source work”? 66.31.81.200 (talk) 23:57, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

When there are unsourced statements, yeah. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:06, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose blurb Not important enough for a blurb. She was a First Lady. She's no Mandela. She's not even a Winnie Mandela. It's almost ready for RD. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose blurb, Oppose RD, not ready yet. The Rambling Man (talk) 00:00, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Too many gaps in referencing. I expect this will likely be cleaned up in short order, but we can't post it until it is solidly sourced. FTR I also agree that although very sad, this is not blurb worthy. RD is fine once it is ready. Memory eternal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:17, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Was famous. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 00:33, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose blurb - an important American but not significant enough for her death to be in other than RD. Nancy Reagan was first lady for twice as long and was a little more politically active, and was only in RD, though I think the process was little different then (March 2016). Adpete (talk) 01:08, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb - Well... truly legendary and powerful first lady, who called the shots of TWO U.S. Presidents. --Bruzaholm (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support RD. Article is in reasonable shape. Capitalistroadster (talk) 01:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Blurb fails the Thatcher/Mandela test. Oppose RD for now, still some unreferenced content. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose blurb fails the Thatcher/Graham/Mandela test. Support for RD once sourcing issues are resolved. Lepricavark (talk) 01:36, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support RD but unsure about blurb. It's very sad, and it's certainly significant as she was the only first lady to watch her son become president, but her influence was limited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrendonTheWizard (talk • contribs) 22:31, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • She was not the only First Lady whose son became POTUS. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:50, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • To be fair, he did specify that Bush watch[ed] her son become president; Adams died before her son ascended to the office. Of course, that's a minor distinction and doesn't really mean much as far as blurb worthiness (blurbiness?) is concerned. Lepricavark (talk) 03:40, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, I was referring specifically to witnessing it, but as I specified in my original post I still don't support a blurb. She lacked real influence outside of the US as I said, unlike figures such as Nelson Mandela or more recently Stephen Hawking which absolutely deserved blurbs. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 14:21, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted RD but discussion of a blurb can continue (though I don't think I see consensus). FWIW, to TRM and Muboshgu, I checked the state of the article when you !voted, and I believe gaps in sourcing have been sufficiently covered, hence posting. --Masem (t) 03:46, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed, the article was improved by the time you posted it. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:42, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Post-posting support, and also weak support blurb. I kind of wish that RD allowed a five-word description of the deceased individual; in that case I wouldn't support a blurb at all. Davey2116 (talk) 04:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• RD is fine, no reason to make this a blurb. Indeed, I don't see any nomination of one. Modest Genius ^talk 10:41, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Blurb I don’t think her impact is notable enough to Warren a blurb, we don’t want to be US-centric. Hornetzilla78 (talk) 13:12, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose blurb former first lady of Tanzania probably wouldn't be posted. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 18:20, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose blurb - the wife of the most influential figure in the history of South Africa, who had actual separate political impact, did not merit a blurb. Bush certainly doesn't. Stormy clouds (talk) 18:33, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carl Kasell

Nominator's comments: Long-time American broadcaster for NPR dies at 84. Sourcing needs work. Davey2116 (talk) 23:06, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support One unsourced statement of questionable encyclopedic importance (a mistaken death report in 2014) that I removed, and everything else is good to good here. --Masem (t) 03:50, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Looks ready to me.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:02, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted --Jayron32 18:47, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Matthew Mellon

 The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - sufficiently referenced. There's one tagged sentence, but it can be deleted if a citation can't be found. -Zanhe (talk) 04:00, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support - Short, but very well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:05, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - referenced and ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 15:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I've dealt with that CN tag, should be good to go now.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:08, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Posting. --Tone 13:12, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Big Tom

Nominator's comments: Irish country music star. Referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 13:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose not just reference issues, but the article is a complete mess. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:06, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Awful article. Zero biographical information on his life before the year 2000, and the rest is just a bunch of tables.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:13, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Sadly, article would need an almost complete rewrite before being main page ready. --Jayron32 13:52, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Choi Eun-hee

(Posted) RD: Harry Anderson

Nominator's comments: Unfortunately weak in sourcing. Masem (t) 02:05, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support I fixed the sourcing issue. Now it is well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:55, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirming that the sourcing has been significantly improved since I nominated it. --Masem (t) 03:56, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support : I see that. And that is a good work. TDKR Chicago. –Ammarpad (talk) 04:04, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 04:09, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Remove from ongoing: Rif Dimashq offensive (February–April 2018)

Nominator's comments: I propose to remove the Rif Dimashq offensive (February–April 2018) article from the main page "ongoing" section. First, the offensive is essentially complete, with the government declaring two days ago that the locale was fully liberated, and I don't see that any reliable sources are debating this; indeed reliable sources agree the locale is under full government control. Secondly, the article itself has not received any substantive updates since April 14 either. Thirdly, there is already a blurb describing both the chemical attack and the response, which seem to be where the story has migrated, seeing as the offensive itself has ended. Given those three things, we should think about taking this off of "ongoing". --Jayron32 16:02, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support removal per nominator. Stormy clouds (talk) 19:05, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support –No longer "ongoing". Do the needful. –Ammarpad (talk) 20:11, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Removed Stephen 22:51, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boston Marathon

Nominator's comments: big news for American atheletics, 2nd American woman to win a major American marathon this year Cellodont (talk) 19:32, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Not to change too much from Cellodont's submission, but as the Boston Marathon is an ITNR, I've refactors this to be more to this point. I would comment that we generally do not focus to much on the first X of a nation to win this type of event (We're a global work), but we certainly can ID the winners, and if either article is in good shape, can make them secondary targets. I will note the Marathon article needs prose before this can be posted. --Masem (t) 19:37, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• comment I totally agree with the new blurb, go for it. Hope someone gets this done soon, it's relevant/great news for Japan, for the USA, and everybody, really.Cellodont (talk) 20:01, 16 April 2018 (UTC)cellodont[reply]
• Oppose Classic example of stub. Mere rephrasing of news piece. This needs non trivial work and lot of actual encylopeic prose before even considering judging its quality. At present, this is unpresentable in every respect. –Ammarpad (talk) 20:07, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• comment good point. The 2018 boston marathon article has all the salient info on the race that anyone in the future is likely to be looking for, but it's not exactly a good read as a redirect from the front page. this is big news, though....maybe the blurb should point primarily to Kawauchi's and Linden's Wikipedia articles, and secondarily to the little stub? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cellodont (talk • contribs) 20:15, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose It's a stub. A sporting event needs to do better than that. Black Kite (talk) 23:18, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose nowhere near ready. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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