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Line 244: ::While many reliable sources do use "Max", it's Boeing's aircraft. Shouldn't Boeing have the final say as to what their aircraft is named? - [[User:ZLEA|<font color="#6B8E23">'''ZLEA'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:ZLEA|<font color="#6B8E23">'''T'''</font>]]</sub><font color="#6B8E23">'''\'''</font><sup>[[Special:Contributions/ZLEA|<font color="#6B8E23">'''C'''</font>]]</sup> 15:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC) ::: They have, but the article title is governed by [[WP:TITLETM]], not Boeing. That would be bias. —[[User talk:Aron Manning|<span style="color:#25dd;background:#af01;box-shadow:#af03 0 0 8px;font-family:Segoe print">''Aron M🍂''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aron Manning|<small style="background:#af01;box-shadow:#af03 0 0 8px">(🛄📤)</small>]] <span style="color:#888">16:31, 10 June 2019 (UTC)</span> ::First, [[WP:NCAIRCRAFT]] isn't a post discussion argument, it was made by Whoop whoop pull up [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABoeing_737_MAX&type=revision&diff=898809876&oldid=898792859 on May 26]. It should not be disregarded. While it is a guideline, it is one which clarifies the policy in the context of aircraft and should be given full weight since it is in service of the [[WP:NAMINGCRITERIA|the consistency criterion]]. ::Second, you fail to include ''Reuters, The Wall Street Journal, Al Jazeera, Forbes, The Seattle Times, and Time'' in the list of sources which use MAX, which [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABoeing_737_MAX&type=revision&diff=898698844&oldid=898698260 Redalert2fan on May 25] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABoeing_737_MAX&type=revision&diff=898746751&oldid=898745399 Georgian on May 25] cite. Georgian also argues that CNN switches between the two. This is the exact reason we should not be deciding this post hoc, the participants are aware of sources beyond the first page of Google results. For the same reason I didn't offer an opinion in the actual move discussion, I'm not comfortable determining which one is most common in sources here. The venue for weighing sources and deciding what is most common was the move discussion, and I don't believe participants came to a consensus on that point. Our job is to assess the consensus on what is most common, not decide what is most common. ::Third, I don't deny the close was poorly worded, but I [[WP:AGF|don't believe]] that an admin [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Recently_created_admins&oldid=1819982#Fuzheado since 2003] is boneheaded enough to simply count the comments. Even if they were, per my original comment here, I think no consensus was the correct close, and per [[WP:NOTBUREAU]] don't see much benefit in opening it up just to close it as no consensus again (obviously if consensus here is that it's ''not'' the correct close it should be reopened). [[User:Wugapodes|Wugapodes]] [[User talk:Wugapodes|[t<sup>h</sup>ɑk]]] [[Special:Contributions/Wugapodes|[ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz]]] 17:05, 10 June 2019 (UTC) | |||