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====Nomination====
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I see no reason ''not'' to grant him the tools, and I am confident that he can answer the questions effectively. Even if he does not use the tools that often, the occasional use for speedy deletion, AfD closings, and blocks for vandalism will be more than worth it. Besides, I feel that denying someone administrative tools just because they don't plan on using them regularly sets a bad example—that adminship is a status—when in reality it's just a reflection of earned trust. —'''[[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]]''' ([[User talk:Deckiller|t]]-[[Special:Contributions/Deckiller|c]]-[[Special:Logs/Deckiller|l]]) 23:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
'''Co-nomination by David Fuchs''': I've interacted with PresN on many occasions at [[WT:VG]]. Many times, editors bring questions of deleting or merging content there, and with these and other discussions PresN has always shown himself to be a reasonable person with a good head and a grasp on Wikipedia's policies. He's got a lot of edits, but more importantly the quality of those edits is I believe indisputable. From gnomish chores to helping write several FAs, he is an excellent editor and can benefit from being entrusted with the additional tools. Deckiller has said most of what needs to be said, so in short: he is a fine editor and would be a fine admin. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</fontspan>]]<sup><small>(<font color="#ff6600">[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk]]</fontspan>]])</small></sup> 02:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
:''Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:'' I accept this nomination. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 02:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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::'''A:''' Step one would be to warn/explain to the user that their actions are outside the bounds of fair use- this comes first, as it helps prevent them from continuing on in this manner while I'm doing the other steps. Specifically- these actions don't comply with the [[Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria|Non-free content criteria]] policy and the [[Wikipedia:Non-free content|Non-free content]] guideline, which state that non-free images should only be used if they're the subject of critical commentary and that their usage should be minimal, neither one of which is followed here. I would then pull the images out of the article- if one of them is better than one used in the article or could be the subject of critical commentary I might leave it as a content point and pull the old one (and put in said commentary) but for this specific article I'd probably pull all 25 (plus 2 more I see in there that probably shouldn't be there). Per [[Wikipedia:NFCC]], at this point the images aren't being used in any article so they get to sit there for 7 days- tag them and wait. Keep an eye on the article/images- the regular editors to the page may decide to swap out the images if they feel that some of them were better than the current ones, and the original uploader may ignore the message and put them back in.
;Questions from <span style="text-shadow:#458B00 0.10em 0.10em 0.10em"><font color="black">[[User:Sven Manguard|<span style="color:black;">Sven Manguard]]</fontspan>]] <sub><span style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><font color="black">[[User talk:Sven Manguard|'''<b style="color:black;">Talk''']]</fontb>]]</sub></span></span>
:'''7.''' I noticed that you don't seem to have any vandalism fighting or AfD history. While it is refreshing to see a purely content creating user, much of the work admins do deals with handling problematic users, problematic pages, and other problematic problems. How do you respond to this?
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::'''A:''' I do not have any experience in this area yet. The [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion]] are pretty explicit about when an article is speedy-able and when it isn't. At first, if I was unsure about whether an article is speedy-able or not, I would leave it alone and keep an eye on it. When another admin comes by and speedys it or AfDs it, I would then learn a bit about where exactly the line is for, for example, A7 deletions, and over time would step up and trust my own judgment.
;Questions from [[User:The Utahraptor|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">The Utahraptor</fontspan>]][[User talk:The Utahraptor|<sup>Talk</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/The Utahraptor|<sub>Contribs</sub>]]
:'''10.''' When, if ever, is it OK to block an IP address or nonautoconfirmed account that doesn't have four warnings on their talk page?
::'''A:''' Per the [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|Blocking policy]], blocking a uesr/ip address without going through the warnings is permissable if: the account is used exclusively for disruptive purposes, such as vandalism, if its a public account (shared between multiple people, though that would be usually difficult to know within the few days before the account is autoconfirmed), if the account has an inappropriate username, if it's a bot that doesn't have approval, or single-purpose COI/spam/promotion of a company accounts. IP addresses can also be blocked on sight if they're an [[Wikipedia:Open proxies|open proxy]].
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=====Support=====
#'''Nominator support'''—'''[[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]]''' ([[User talk:Deckiller|t]]-[[Special:Contributions/Deckiller|c]]-[[Special:Logs/Deckiller|l]]) 04:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Seems fine to me. <font color="00ff00">[[User:Inka 888|<span style="color:#00ff00;"><big>''I''</big>n<big>''k''</big>a]]</font><supspan>]][[User talk:Inka 888|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">'''''8'''8'''8'''''</fontsup>]]</sup> 05:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' A review of his contribs gives me no reason to think he'll abuse the tools. [[User:DC|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#BB133E"; face="font-family:'Tahoma';">DC</fontspan>]] [[User talk:DC|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#002664"; face="font-family:'Tahoma';">T</fontspan>]]•[[Special:Contributions/DC|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#002664"; face="font-family:'Tahoma';">C</fontspan>]] 05:47, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' I don't find lack of summaries a problem, as long as he doesn't abuse them. Other than that, this is clearly going to pass. [[User:Minimac|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0645AD;">Minima</fontspan>]][[Special:Contributions/Minimac|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0645AD;">c</fontspan>]]<font color="#0645AD"></font> ([[User talk:Minimac|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0645AD;">talk</fontspan>]]) 05:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' highly likely to be a net positive. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - no problems from me :) —'''<span style="font-family:Tahoma;">'''[[User:Fridae'sDoom|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red">Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм</fontspan>]]</span> • <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;font-variant:small-caps;">[[User talk:Fridae'sDoom|<fontspan colorstyle="color:grey;">Champagne?</fontspan>]] • 7:17pm •'''</span>''' 08:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''': Experienced, helpful and mature user; I've never—nor, as far as I know, has anyone else—encountered problems with him. As has been said, his appointment would be a net gain for the encyclopedia. [[User:JimmyBlackwing|JimmyBlackwing]] ([[User talk:JimmyBlackwing|talk]]) 09:03, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' — I have watched this editor for quite a long time and he definitely seems worthy of the broom. — [[User:Legolas2186|<fonti colorstyle="color:blue;">[[User:Legolas2186|''Legolas'']]</fonti>]] [[User talk:Legolas2186|<sup>(<fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">talk</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">2</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:orange;">me</fontspan>)</sup>]] 09:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Jubilant Support''' Net positive editor. PresN will be a good addition to the admin corps.--[[user:White Shadows|<fontspan style="color:#191970;">'''White Shadows'''</fontspan>]] <sup>[[user talk:White Shadows|<fontspan style="color:#DC143C;">'''Your guess is as good as mine'''</fontspan>]]</sup> 11:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support;'''. Clueful, level-headed content editor. Net benefit. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<fontspan sizestyle="5font-size:x-large;">œ</fontspan>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>™</sup>]] 11:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - plenty of experience and seems trustworthy. Axl's oppose raises some concerns, and in general I agree that candidates should have some recent experience at [[WP:AFD|Articles for Deletion]], however I think overall the PresN will be ok. [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 12:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' – as a good editor with experience. <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #F4A460"><font color="#FFFF00"><B>[[User:Perseus, Son of Zeus|Perseus!]]</B></font><font color="#FF33FF"><B>[[User talk:Perseus, Son of Zeus|Talk to me]]</B></font></span> 12:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - Looks good. ~<span style="border:2px solid blue;background:beige;font-family:Mistral">'''[[User:NSD|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Nerdy</fontspan>]][[User:NSD/t|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0F0;">Science</fontspan>]][[Special:Contributions/NerdyScienceDude|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#8d7;">Dude</fontspan>]]'''</span> 14:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#PresN seems to [[WP:CLUE|have a clue]] and generally seems to know what he is doing. I am sure he would be able to figure out the admin tasks he want to do, and to ask if he could not figure it out. Doubt he would be a net negative at all. '''[[User:NuclearWarfare|<fontb colorstyle="color:navy;">[[User:NuclearWarfare|NW]]</fontb>''']] ''(<font color="green">[[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk]]</fontspan>]])'' 14:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. Good content contributor, looks to have sound reasoning skills, and I trust the nominators. --[[User:Laser_brain|<fontspan colorstyle="color:purple;">'''Andy Walsh'''</font span>]] [[User_talk:Laser_brain|<fontspan colorstyle="color:purple;">(talk)</font span>]] 15:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' No reason to think they'll misuse the tools. Thanks for the great content! [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 16:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' -per nom statement. BUT i implore you, use edit summaries more, please :) [[User:Ottawa4ever|Ottawa4ever]] ([[User talk:Ottawa4ever|talk]]) 16:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Weak support''' - Per nomination, I don't see much of a problem. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 16:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Net Positive''', agree with the others, Please use the edit summaries. They are there for a reason.--[[User:intelati|<span style="border:1px solid #ff0000;background:#66FF00;padding:1px;"><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">intelati</fontspan></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:intelati|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">talk</fontspan>]]</sup> 17:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - I don't see any problems. Would like to see edit summary usage when you use your admin tools though! What I really liked was the comment in Q1 - "when I become more comfortable with the tools". Proof of sound judgment and will not rush into something. <fontspan style="font-family:arial;border:2px ridge 2px #FF0000; background-color: #000000";color:#FF0000>''' [[User:Orfen|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FFFFFF><fontff0000; face="font-family:'arial';">''Orfen''</span>]] '''</fontspan><sup> [[User_Talk:Orfen|<font color=#FF0000><font face="arial"><u>T]]</supu></ufont>]]</smallsup> • <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Orfen|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#000000><font; face="font-family:'arial';">'''C'''<b/span>C]]</sub> 18:20, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' – Clueful editor that can be trusted with the tools. Great article work as well. <span class="plainlinks">—'''[[User:MC10|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#9370DB;">[[User:MC10|MC10]]</fontspan>]] <small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#4169E1;">([[User talk:MC10|<span style="color:#4169E1;">T</span>]]•[[Special:Contributions/MC10|<span style="color:#4169E1;">C</span>]]•[[User:MC10/Guestbook|<span style="color:#4169E1;">GB</span>]]•[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=MC10 <span style="color:#4169E1;">L</span>])</fontspan></small>'''</span> 20:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#[[File:718smiley.svg|20px]] <small>Look below before you yell at me...</small> <span style="text-shadow:#91219E 0.10em 0.10em 0.10em"><font color="black">[[User:Sven Manguard|<span style="color:black;">Sven Manguard]]</fontspan>]] <sub><span style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><font color="black">[[User talk:Sven Manguard|'''<b style="color:black;">Talk''']]</fontb>]]</sub></span></span> 20:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - I'm going on faith a little bit here. I would prefer to have seen more experience in admin-related areas, and I don't see a strong ''need'' for the tools. However, you seem like a level-headed contributor who interacts well with others. I guess this a "why not?" !vote from me. I hope/think that you will wade into the admin waters slowly as you get comfortable with the tools. Great job with what you have done so far! Please always use edit summaries. [[User:Pdcook|<strong>P. D. Cook</strong>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Pdcook|''Talk to me!'']]</sup> 20:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Nothing worries me here. - [[User:Dwayne|<span style="cursor;"><font face="Century Gothic" color="#2B65EC" size="2">'''Dwayne'''</font></span>]] <small>was here!</small> [[User talk:Dwayne|<span style="color: green;">♫</span>]] 21:25, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Strong support'''. No concerns, seems to know policy very well. [[User:The Utahraptor|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">The Utahraptor</fontspan>]][[User talk:The Utahraptor|<sup>Talk</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/The Utahraptor|<sub>Contribs</sub>]] 22:05, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Strong support''' – If I recall, I wanted to nominate PresN for adminship a while ago but was turned down. Good to see a change of heart there. More than enough clue and competency to easily support. –[[User talk:MuZemike|MuZemike]] 22:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#''' Weak Support.''' Great content creator, but answer to #5 did cause me to pause a little. <font face="Verdana">[[User:VictorianMutant|Victorian<fontspan colorstyle="color:#008000;">Mutant</fontspan>]]<sup>([[User talk:VictorianMutant|Talk]])</sup></font> 22:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. It is refreshing to see a content oriented editor here who requests the mop. There are plenty of vandalism oriented admins around to help keep the house clean. Although he may have been incorrect on the statue question I find that no reason at all to oppose. We all have learned on the job and I am sure PresN will be no different. [[User:JodyB|'''JodyB''']]<sub>[[User talk:JodyB| <fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">talk</fontspan>]]</sub> 23:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. Should be a fine admin. [[User:Wayne Olajuwon|'''<span style="color:White;background:darkRed;font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:80%;">WAYNE</span>''']][[User talk:Wayne Olajuwon|'''<span style="color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:80%;">OLAJUWON'''</span>''']] 23:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Valuable contributor, no strong concerns [[User:Jebus989|'''<fontspan colorstyle="color:#81BEF7;">Je</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#58ACFA;">b</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#0080FF;">us</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#0174DF;">9</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#045FB4;">8</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#084B8A;">9</fontspan>''']][[User talk:Jebus989|<font color=black><sup>✰</sup></font>]] 00:02, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support'''—per NW, mainly. I believe PresN will be a net positive. [[User:Airplaneman|<span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span>]][[User talk:Airplaneman|<span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span>]] 01:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#No reason not to. [[User:Ktr101|Kevin Rutherford]] ([[User_talk:Ktr101|talk]]) 01:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#Seems to know what they are doing. [[User:Hi878 isn't home|<fontspan style="color:#DC143C;">Hi878 isn't home.</fontspan>]] <sup>[[User talk:Hi878 isn't home|<fontspan style="color:#0000CD;">(''Can I take a message?'')</fontspan>]]</sup> 01:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#Agree with NW. [[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 01:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#:Want to add that SoWhy's worries about the use of edit summaries are important and I hope the candidate works to improve on that as an admin. [[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 16:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
#Trustworthy. No concerns. '''[[User:Ceranthor|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#2F4F4F"; face="font-family:Optima;">ceran</fontspan>]]'''[[User_talk:Ceranthor|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#2F4F4F"; face="font-family:Optima;">''thor''</fontspan>]] 03:21, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#Great editor, great member of the Video Game WikiProject, and I think that he should be given a mop. [[User:GamerPro64|GamerPro64]] ([[User talk:GamerPro64|talk]]) 04:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Has been around since June 2006 and feel the project will only gain with the user having tools.See no scope for misuse of tools.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 04:49, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
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# [[User:The ed17|Ed]] <sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]] [[WP:OMT|[majestic titan]]]</sup> 18:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
#--''[[User:Brewcrewer|<span style="font family:Arial;color:green">brew</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Brewcrewer|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#2E82F4">crewer</span>]] [[User talk:Brewcrewer|(yada, yada)]]'' 19:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
#:[[User:Wifione|'''<span style="color: red; 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em"> Wifione </span>''']] [[User talk:Wifione|'''<sub style="font-size: 60%">.......</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> Leave a message</sup>''']] 07:47, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. Plenty of positives, and if there are any negatives, it's up to the Oppose voters to bring them forward. And they haven't, the Oppose arguments are not strong or convincing. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 20:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. I have no major concerns. Although his answer to Q5 could have been stronger I trust the candidate's judgement and believe that his strong track record at WP indicate he's qualified for the sysop gig. [[User:Majoreditor|Majoreditor]] ([[User talk:Majoreditor|talk]]) 23:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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#'''Support''' Looking though PresN's contributions I don't see any issues. The lack of edit summaries does not concern me. When I do repetitive tasks I too occasionally forget to type one in as well. --[[User:Alpha Quadrant|<span style="color:#000070; font-family: Times New Roman">''Alpha Quadrant''</span>]] [[User talk:Alpha Quadrant|<span style="color:#A00000; font-family: Times New Roman"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 18:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
#:The issue isn't "I forgot", it's the attitude that "I don't want to". - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 19:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Super Support''': Superbbbb [[User:Tofutwitch11|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Teal"; face="font-family:'Courier New';">'''Tofutwitch11'''</fontspan>]]-[[User talk:Tofutwitch11|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Orange" face=; "font-family:'Arial';">Chat </fontspan>]]-[[Wikipedia:Editor_review/tofutwitch11|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red"; face= "font-family:'Arial';">How'd I do?</fontspan>]] 21:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. Good content work, see no significant issues. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jayjg|<small><font colorstyle="DarkGreencolor:darkgreen;">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small>]]</sup> 02:17, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. No problems with content, nor with the Commons stuff, as I've indicated below. But I do have a problem with lack of edit summaries, which I think are essential. Nevertheless, supporting, as I think candidate is competent. [[User:MarmadukePercy|MarmadukePercy]] ([[User talk:MarmadukePercy|talk]]) 02:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
# Won't abuse the tools [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:08, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' I have no problem with you not using edit summaries for tedious edits. That's what popups are for. [[User:Marcus Qwertyus|<font color="#21421E" face="font-family: 'Maiandra GD', sans-serif;">'''Marcus'''</font>]] [[User talk:Marcus Qwertyus|<font color="#CC7722" face="font-family: 'Maiandra GD', sans-serif;">'''Qwertyus'''</font>]] 19:43, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Contributions look good, answers seem to have clue. (I would endorse a few more edit summaries in some cases, not everyone has popups and summaries are nice for scanning, but I'd probably have omitted them too in a very long series of repetitive table formatting edits, so, not a deal-breaker for me.) --<font color='#66dd44'>[[User:Joe Decker|j<small>⚛</small>e decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|<sup><small><i>talk</i></small></sup>]]</font> 20:34, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. Fully qualified candidate, although I do think the request that the candidate use edit summaries regularly is well-taken. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 00:08, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' I advise many block happy admins to memorise your answer to 13a (particularly those who gravitate to certain places on wikipedia because they seem to like blocking people). [[User:Polargeo 2|Polargeo]] ([[User talk:Polargeo 2|talk]]) 07:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
#An eminently sensible and even-tempered candidate. Even if he were to initially stumble in a few areas due to unfamiliarity, I have little fear of PresN becoming an incompetent or abusive administrator. [[user talk:Skomorokh|<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family:'New York';">Skomorokh</span></span>]] 13:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - Worthwhile editor at the video games project with proven track record of content work. No reason not to trust with the tools, although I understand that Adminship is a massive deal now. [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 00:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - Looks good [[User:Shadowjams|Shadowjams]] ([[User talk:Shadowjams|talk]]) 10:00, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support:''' Not perfect but will make a good admin. - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof|talk]]) 14:09, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - Despite some very good opposes, I support. I do hope the candidate will take their advice to heart and study those areas he plans on working in. [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover</span>''']][[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold"><sup> It's football season!</sup></span>''']] 16:29, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' – <s>S/</s>he seems like quite a nice person. Some thoughtful and considered replies to some very difficult questions. A lot of them seemed designed to trip him<s>/her</s> up. <s>S/</s>he did well; I'm impressed. Good luck. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <span style="color:#000000;">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#000000;">talk</span>]])</span></span> 19:23, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
#::He, by the way, if anyone cares. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 19:36, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
#:::Sorry; I've <span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/PresN&action=historysubmit&diff=397548297&oldid=397538145 fixed that]</span> with some Wiki-[[Ballpoint pen|biro]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <span style="color:#000000;">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#000000;">talk</span>]])</span></span> 20:41, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Appears to be a very good editor who will not dissapoint as an administrator.--''[[User:Pink Bull|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color: #FF1493">Pink</span>]][[User talk:Pink Bull|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color: #FF1493">Bull</span>]]'' 21:03, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
#:The number of my vote is malformed, but I don't know how it can rectified. Would appreciate some help here. --''[[User:Pink Bull|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color: #FF1493">Pink</span>]][[User talk:Pink Bull|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color: #FF1493">Bull</span>]]'' 21:06, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
#::Thanks Guyinblack!--''[[User:Pink Bull|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color: #FF1493">Pink</span>]][[User talk:Pink Bull|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color: #FF1493">Bull</span>]]'' 21:31, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
=====Oppose=====
# '''Oppose'''. PresN is a great editor with excellent content contributions. However I do not see evidence of activity in areas requiring admins. I didn't find any comments in XfDs over the last six months. In the answer to question 1, I am particularly concerned by PresN's intention to be involved in speedy deletion in this context. [[User:Axl|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#808000;">'''Axl'''</fontspan>]] <fontspan colorstyle="color:#3CB371;">¤</fontspan> <small>[[User talk:Axl|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#808000; font-size:smaller;">[Talk]</fontspan>]]</small> 10:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#Per (a)Lack of almost any visible [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Principles#Edit_summaries|edit summary]]. (b)[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Principles#Edit_summaries|Zero reasoning ever given by the editor]] in almost ''all'' the reverts they've undertaken. Will add more after further analysis (or move my vote to support if I think everything else is fine).[[User:Wifione|'''<span style="color: red; 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em"> Wifione </span>''']] [[User talk:Wifione|'''<sub style="font-size: 60%">.......</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> Leave a message</sup>''']] 15:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#:I've never noticed PresN revert major non-vandalism edits without an explanation (he often reverts using popups for vandalism and so forth, but that's really no different from a rollback). I notice the occasional revert when a redundancy or typo is introduced, but that does not strike me as major. Can you offer examples of this being the rule rather than the exception? —'''[[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]]''' ([[User talk:Deckiller|t]]-[[Special:Contributions/Deckiller|c]]-[[Special:Logs/Deckiller|l]]) 20:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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#::::Same here. I've learned through the detailed explanations given by image reviewers at FAC, like {{User|Jappalang}} or {{User|Elcobbola}}. I don't view this as a major slipup because copyright policy is extremely complicated. PresN, a word of advice: be sure to check [[:commons:COM:LICENSING]] if you face a similar scenario in the future. [[User:The ed17|Ed]] <sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]] [[WP:OMT|[majestic titan]]]</sup> 18:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' - Ironically, a few hours ago in another discussion, I said something about 'not needing the tools' to be a weak reason for opposing on an RfA. Here, however, I'm afraid, together with the low importance attached to making edit summaries, and with what I feel is rather a vague notion of where the candidate would be active with their average of ten edits a day, is enough for me to suggest that s/he does not need the tools just yet. Getting more into the thick of things and racking up some broader experience to include NPP, AfD, vandalism, and other areas that demonstrate measurable skill of judgement in the more contentious areas, then coming back here again in six months would move me to support whom I have no doubt is a trustworthy editor.--[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 14:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#:Over the past few months, I've been barely averaging ten edits a day. Is that a reason to strip me of adminship? We contribute (hopefully) at a level we can afford and that is not stressful; maybe in two months the candidate has far more free time to devote to Wikipedia, maybe less. Activity changes over time. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</fontspan>]]<sup><small>(<font color="#ff6600">[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk]]</fontspan>]])</small></sup> 17:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#::I'd like to add that not every user is experienced in every area. In fact, most are not; this includes admins. As has been said, PresN's obviously a clueful editor capable of learning on the job. He is not the type who would wreak havoc by using tools before understanding them. [[User:JimmyBlackwing|JimmyBlackwing]] ([[User talk:JimmyBlackwing|talk]]) 19:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' - While I did like some answers (#15, for example), I'm opposing mostly for four reasons. '''The first''' is that the editor's main intentions for being an admin (per question #1) are in an area that I feel that I'm not very "fluent" in (File:), and so I typically seek out the insight of those who are; and so [[User:Fastily]]'s oppose (and other comments on this page affirming the accuracy of the info) would seem to be enough to cause me to oppose. '''The second''' (which is more a case of "neutral, leaning towards oppose"), is because he really doesn't show a "need" for the tools (question #16 in particular). Not that anyone ''must'', but having a wont to fix stuff, doesn't necessarily mean that the tools are needed to do so. And the answer to #7 seems to confirm the lack of need, for me. '''The third''', the answer to #9 (about CSD) is bothersome to me. The impression I'm getting is: I don't help out there now, and know little about it, but it sounds like a good starting place to cut my teeth as a new admin. - That concerns me. '''And fourth''', the propensity for a lack of edit summaries - Communication is one of '''''the''''' more important aspects of adminship (and really, editorship, for that matter). '''Note:''' At this point, just from "vote" counting - 42/6/2 - this nom will likely succeed. If so, I sincerely hope the candidate will take my concerns into consideration upon becoming an admin. - - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 18:38, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Weak oppose''' I think this candidate has the best interests of the project at heart but I don't think adminship is right for him. I share many of the concerns mentioned above about the lack of edit summaries. While his reply to question #8 might be plausible, it also demonstrates a lack of understanding what edit summaries are for. They are not only to explain potentially confusing edits but should allow people to understand what you did without having to review your edits. Also, it's not easy (if possible at all) for anyone to judge whether an edit of theirs is potentially "non obvious". As jc37 put it, communication is a vital skill for an admin and edit summaries are one of the main tools for said communication to happen. I can understand missing a summary here and there (my record isn't 100% either, although those edits are from 2004 or 2005) but the candidate is systematically not using them, as he admits himself, which is not something an admin should do. We have plenty of such admins already and each one of them makes Wikipedia a bit harder for old and new users to use. On a side note, as some mentioned above, CSD is more tricky than it looks, so if this is successful, please consult a more experienced admin in that area before starting to work there (despite my opposing !vote, I would of course be happy to help). I don't think that's a reason for opposing the request though, many admins found their area only after they were granted the tools. Regards '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #35628F">Why</span>]]''' 15:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
#:I find it amazing you're using an 80% edit summary usage number in reference to an editor with 23k+ edits, as though he's not explaining his actions. Edit summary count were popular back in the 2005 admin days, but they've degraded in importance for a reason. Frankly I think that you don't agree with this user's CSD opinions, and answer. I obviously disagree, but I'd rather you make that argument than complaining that 20% of 23,000+ edits were unexplained. [[User:Shadowjams|Shadowjams]] ([[User talk:Shadowjams|talk]]) 10:13, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Weak oppose''' I cannot support someone who does not try to get their edit summaries close to 100%. Admins should lead by example, I have often explained to other editors the benefits of the edit summary - I would not feel happy doing that if my count was not very high (99.8% for >63,000 edits) - they would be likely to ask "why should I do it, if you don't?". Personally I have my preferences set to not allow an edit without a summary, if I'm doing a chain of edits, then I use a suitable summary for all - then after the first edit, just by just typing the first letter, firefox will fill in the rest with a click of the mouse. '''[[User:Ronhjones|<span style="border:1px solid black;color:black; padding:1px;background:yellow"><font color="green"> Ron<font color="red">h</font>jones </font></span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Ronhjones| (Talk)]]</sup> 22:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)▼
#::We can disagree about that of course but I still believe that all users (and all admins especially) should use edit summaries and that's what I am concerned about with this user. 20% missing edit summaries in general could be okay but it's not when it's 20% of mainspace edits. We routinely revert new users who make edits without summaries that might be disruptive and it's imho a bad idea for experienced users (let alone admins) to act the same way. As for CSD, I do see that the user lacks experience in that area (see above) and I am concerned about that as well, but not as much. His answer to question #9 shows that they will be careful when approaching this area and the answer to question #13c contains some correct parts, although it's probably phrased a bit imprecisely. I'd really love to hear though, what "opinions" the candidate has that I allegedly disagree with. Regards '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #35628F">Why</span>]]''' 18:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
▲#'''Weak oppose''' I cannot support someone who does not try to get their edit summaries close to 100%. Admins should lead by example, I have often explained to other editors the benefits of the edit summary - I would not feel happy doing that if my count was not very high (99.8% for >63,000 edits) - they would be likely to ask "why should I do it, if you don't?". Personally I have my preferences set to not allow an edit without a summary, if I'm doing a chain of edits, then I use a suitable summary for all - then after the first edit, just by just typing the first letter, firefox will fill in the rest with a click of the mouse. '''[[User:Ronhjones|<span style="border:1px solid black; color:blackgreen; padding:1px; background:yellow"><font color="green;"> Ron<fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">h</fontspan>jones </font></span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Ronhjones| (Talk)]]</sup> 22:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Weak Oppose''' Concerns about the edit summaries and the 'need' for the tools add to a weak oppose from me. [[User:MurfleMan|MurfleMan]] ([[User talk:MurfleMan|talk]]) 05:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
# answer to Q5. Cannot support a user wanting to work in File namespace who doesn't have a basic grasp of FoP regardless of your other contributions. -[[User:Atmoz|Atmoz]] ([[User talk:Atmoz|talk]]) 14:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' – inadequate experience of AfD and counter-vandalism work, which are both core areas of admin activity. Content building alone, laudable as it is, is not a core area of admin activity. <font color="#7026DF">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]][[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|<span style="cursor:help;">consulate</span>]]─╢</font> 19:32, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
=====Neutral=====
<s>'''Waiting on Fastily's questions'''</s> Was leaning slightly towards oppose based on lack of vandalism fighting, then read [[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Question]], which did a fine job of correcting my silly notion of the necessity of vandalism fighting towards adminship. Assuming you don't totally screw up on Fastily's questions, this will be a support vote soon. <span style="text-shadow:#2f4f4f 0.10em 0.10em 0.10em"><font color="black">[[User:Sven Manguard|<span style="color:black;">Sven Manguard]]</fontspan>]] <sub><span style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><font color="black">[[User talk:Sven Manguard|'''<b style="color:black;">Talk''']]</fontb>]]</sub></span></span> 06:46, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
:According to his answer to question 1, he doesn't have any intention to go vandalism fighting like some other administrators do. You might think that the rollback button is included in the admin package, but not all admins would want to try out every single tool to see what it does. [[User:Minimac|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0645AD;">Minima</fontspan>]][[Special:Contributions/Minimac|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0645AD;">c</fontspan>]]<font color="#0645AD"></font> ([[User talk:Minimac|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0645AD;">talk</fontspan>]]) 10:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you Minimac, but I already knew that. I was just worried because there will be times that every admin ''has'' to get involved with these types of things, not because they want to, but because a problem winds up on their doorstep. I am now waiting on question 8. I'm dead neutral now. While edit summaries are not ''that'' critical, and I wouldn't have a problem with even 75% or so usage, but 11% is worrisome. Not enough to sink this, IMO, but combined with my other concern, I can't support at this time. <span style="text-shadow:#66C20A 0.10em 0.10em 0.10em"><font color="black">[[User:Sven Manguard|<span style="color:black;">Sven Manguard]]</fontspan>]] <sub><span style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><font color="black">[[User talk:Sven Manguard|'''<b style="color:black;">Talk''']]</fontb>]]</sub></span></span> 16:07, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#I think the article writing is wonderful. Solid work there. The answer to Q5 is off, and you know you need to learn CSD/deletion policies—knowing what you need to learn is good. This seems on track to pass, but I'm neutral because I'm hoping you would know about CSD, etc. already. It's a very tricky area, and "learning on the job" may not be safe always. But I think you're very clueful and will learn quickly. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 23:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Neutral''' While the candidate has made some valuable contributions to the project, the answers to question 1 and in particular question 5, causes me concern with respect to understanding Wikipedia's policies.--[[User:Hokeman|Hokeman]] ([[User talk:Hokeman|talk]]) 04:33, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
#'''Neutral''' - A very fine editor but I'm a little concerned about their lack of experience in admin areas. [[User:Panyd|Panyd]]<sup>[[User talk:Panyd|The muffin is not subtle]]</sup> 23:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
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