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* {{Tfd links|Redirect for discussion|module= |type=merge}}

'''Propose merging''' [[Template:Rfd-NPF]] with [[Template:Redirect for discussion]].

There has been an ongoing issue with [[Template:Rfd-NPF]] for ~~almost a decade now or~~ almost a decade now. During the past decade, [[Template:Redirect for discussion]] and the way that it is structured has been integrated in various gadgets that are on Wikipedia. it has gotten to a point where gadgets, such as [[Wikipedia:XFDcloser]], isare reliant on the way [[Template:Redirect for discussion]] is structured. At the present time, [[Template:Rfd-NPF]] works in the way that [[Template:Redirect for discussion]] ~~function~~functioned prior to the template having most of its functionality moved over to a module.

In a nutshell, the structure of {{Tl|Rfd-NPF}} is outdated and needs to conform to what {{Tl|Redirect for discussion}} does in its entirety. In other words, though I am requesting this as a "merge", my actual vote is for '''[[Template:Rfd-NPF]] (and any related subpages) to be redirected to [[Template:Redirect for discussion]] (and/or related subpages)''' so that any call to {{Tl|Rfd-NPF}} actually calls and uses all paramters in {{Tl|Redirect for discussion}}. (Shortly after making this nomination, I will inform the talk page of the gadget that uses {{Tl|Rfd-NPF}} (Page curation) about this discussion.) [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 22:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

:[[Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers]], the target of redirect {{No redirect|Wikipedia talk:Page Curation}}, has [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&diff=prev&oldid=1247116572 been informed of this discussion]. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 22:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

::Per what I said at [[WT:NPR]], the seven day timeline for TfD is unrealistic to make this change. Please withdraw this TfD and create a phab ticket detailing the changes that need to be made. Once the extension has been updated you can proceed with the TfD. [[User:Sohom Datta|Sohom]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|talk]]) 01:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:::..."{{Tq|Once the extension has been updated you can proceed with the TfD.}}" ...No, this TFD is happening ''now''. Per what I said at [[WT:NPR]], a "seven day timeline" is not what happens at TFD and could take longer, which is why the "holding cell" subpage of TFD exists. TFD is for forming consensus, ''not'' to necessarily implement the consensus immediately after the discussion is closed. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 15:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:[[mw:Extension:PageTriage]], when tagging a redirect for RFD, currently writes <syntaxhighlight inline>{{subst:rfd-NPF|Reasoning goes here}}</syntaxhighlight>. What is it supposed to write under the new system? If it's just suppoed to write <syntaxhighlight inline>{{subst:Redirect for discussion|Reasoning goes here}}</syntaxhighlight>, you can just [[WP:BLAR]] it. Otherwise you'll need to [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/ file a Phab ticket] and tag it PageTriage to change PageTriage's code. –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 04:13, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

::@[[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] To my understanding, we need to do something like:

::<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">

::{{subst:RfD|content=

::#REDIRECT [[Hello]]

::}}</syntaxhighlight>

::which imo might require more work due to fact that the deletion module treats tags as append or prepend-only. (AFAIK) [[User:Sohom Datta|Sohom]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|talk]]) 04:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Novem Linguae}} That's essentially what I was getting to in my nomination statement: The resolution is not just a simple [[WP:BLAR]]; However, ultimately, the optimal solution after all the other tools and gadgets are resolved is to perform a [[WP:BLAR]]. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 15:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:::What code do you want PageTriage to <s>append</s> <ins>prepend</ins> instead of <syntaxhighlight inline>{{subst:rfd-NPF|Reasoning goes here}}</syntaxhighlight>? –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 18:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

::::{{Ping|Novem Linguae}} I'm not sure what you mean here? I don't know the ins-and-out of modifying PageTriage to make this work. But, if I had to guess what you mean, the "prepend" would be:<blockquote><code><nowiki>{{subst:Redirect for discussion|content=</nowiki></code></blockquote>...and the "append" would be:<blockquote><code><nowiki>}}</nowiki></code></blockquote>...Basically, what [[User:Sohom Datta|Sohom Datta]] stated in their comment. The only main question I would have then which may help figure something out, given it truly seems that Sohom Datta sees what need to be done to the PageTriage code to make this work is: Does the "<code>name=</code>" parameter in {{Tl|Rfd-NPF/core}} ''need'' to exist? (From what I'm seeing, it seems that PageTriage users are somehow putting their rationale in that parameter rather than its intended purpose: See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Far-right_riots&action=edit&oldid=1244553462 this revision's page syntax].) [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 19:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:::::OK, I got my head wrapped around this. Filed [[phab:T375440]]. –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 20:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

::::::{{Ping|Novem Linguae}} Just FYI, I just tested a substitution of {{Tl|Redirect for discussion}}, and the additional line breaks (<code>\n</code>) are not necessary at the beginning or the end. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:::::::Thanks. I updated the phab ticket. –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 22:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' until [[phab:T375440]] is resolved. –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 20:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

==== [[Template:Law & Order: Trial By Jury]] ====

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:'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}''' Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 07:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per nomination. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per above --[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 07:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

==== [[Module:Inflation]] ====

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*'''Delete''' Still not used since nomination. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

* '''Keep''', obviously. '''[[User:J947|J]][[User talk:J947|947]]''' ‡ [[Special:Contribs/J947|edits]] 02:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

* '''Keep''' Sensible plan for use. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'' 00:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC).

* '''Keep''' Like I said before, I'll use it as soon as the nomination is gone. It isn't exactly a nice view to use the template as long as it shoes the message "‹ The template below (Beachhandballbox) is being considered for deletion. See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus. ›". The only argument presented for deletion is that it isn't used, which will change as soon as the nomination is removed. Not a single argument is presented that the template doesn't fit the purpose it's created for. And in case someone might have a better idea, the template can be adapted easy. Deleting it, is an act of being unconstructive and makes me wonder why to put any more of my time and energy in WP in the future, when some people prefer just simply to remove things instead of sending you a message and ask questions first. I'm surely not the first one who created something, got interrupted by other matters and then forgot about it. Deleting it, is a great display of assuming good faith. Remove the nomination, send me a message the-nomimition has been removed. and if the template is still not used after 3 days, you can delete it instantly. -[[User:Sb008|Sb008]] ([[User talk:Sb008|talk]]) 04:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

**{{U|Sb008}}, I have marked the TFD notice so that it won't appear in articles. Please deploy the template so that we can see it in action. Thanks. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 18:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)