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Line 313: :::Thanks for the ping. {{ping|Jackattack1597}} "The main technical question is whether the ability for an administrator to grant themselves the newly unbundled user rights could be disabled while keeping the ability for admins to grant those rights to other users." as a matter of fact, it should be fairly easy to do - I wrote the code to do it in December 2019, see [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/531319 gerrit], but it hasn't merged yet because there wasn't a need for it - if enwiki decided to request this feature, it would likely be approved. The relevant phab task is [[phab:T44072]]. {{ping|Xeno}} If any admin wants their articles to be unpatrolled automatically, I'd be happy to file a BRFA, should be fairly easy to code (ridiculously easy since the bot already unpatrols new pages by global rollbackers, so the logic is all there). [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 05:26, 1 April 2021 (UTC) *This is never going to happen as written. [[Special:ListGroupRights]] shows the 63 permissions that sysops have. Also the current permission system doesn't allow for direct assignment of a permission, only a group - so they would need a group for each permission and that would overkill - and there is no way we are going to put the community through a "Request for globalblock-whitelist access" process for example. The partial blocks system may grow to allowing someone to be blocked against arbitrary actions, [[phab:T242541]] has some more information on that. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 11:01, 1 April 2021 (UTC) *I firmly believe that unbundling admin rights is necessary but I also think that it has to be done in stages, rather than all at once. I would do this in the form of introducing new userright groups, for which regular users can apply, rather than taking any userrights away from admins. A good place to start seems to be creating a "vandalfighter" userright. I think it should include the ability to issue short blocks (up to 72 hours) to IP and non-autoconfirmed users engaged in vandalism and severe disruption and the ability to semi-protect pages for short periods (say up to a week). In my observations, the noticeboards such as RPP, AIV and 3RR are now frequently backlogged and it often takes hours to get action from an admin on a report there. But, unlike the admins, vandals don't take a break for hours. To give a specific example, several days ago I observed severe BLP disruption by a dynamic IP on an article on my watchlist, [[2019 World Figure Skating Championships]]. I reported it to RPP,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&diff=prev&oldid=1014585584] but for several hours the report sat without action even though the article was getting clobbered. In the meantime, other users filed reports at 3RR [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive430#User:117.111.0.0/19 reported by User:Jasper Deng (Result: Block, Semi)]] and ANI [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1062#Urgent edit warring rangeblock needed]], but again, nothing was happening. Eventually more than seven (!) hours after my initial RPP report, an admin was pinged directly and protected the page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2019_World_Figure_Skating_Championships&type=revision&diff=1014633665&oldid=1014633285] and set a range-block for the dynamic IP. Yesterday, after the block and the semi protection expired, the disruption resumed. We were lucky this time that the same admin was online and responded to a ping quickly, since otherwise it would have again been several hours of chaos. This situation was ridiculous and I am certain that it is not an isolated case. Since we don't have enough admins to respond quickly to AIV and RPP reports, we need to give regular users the ability to do something. [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 12:13, 1 April 2021 (UTC) | |||