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Can I please have some assistance - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Umpire_Decision_Review_System&action=history DiamondIIIXX (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Did any series take place between India and Australia in 2013 or 14 in the Australian soil? Actually while copy-editing the article Mohammed Shami, I have come across the sentence "In October 2013, he was selected for India's tour of Australia. After sitting on the bench for the first 3 matches, he was given a chance in the fourth match in which he took 3 wickets." Now any experienced editor please add a wikilink and a reliable source to verify the information, if possible. I have tried earlier only in vain. Thank you--Michri michri (talk) 09:52, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Michri michri Australian cricket team in India in 2013–14 looks like it- Shami is listed as taking 3 wickets in the 4th ODI, and doesn't look to have been in the playing 11 for the first 3 ODIs (according to the scorecards listed there). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:19, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

While we are at it, why has this tour article a Test squad in it of Test happening a year beforehand?--Maphry (talk) 08:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Although it wasn't a tour of Australia- Australia were touring India. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:20, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

I've rewritten that sentence. As talk:Joseph2302 says, the Aussies were touring India, not vice-versa. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 10:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi all. Please see the following nominations:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yash Dhull
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cooper Connolly
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olayinka Olaleye

The last two were created by the same user and I've dropped a note on their talkpage linking them to WP:NCRIC and requesting they don't create anymore U19 players. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi all. Do we have any Afrikaans speakers who could translate the Cambridge University cricketer Myron Kok from the article about him on the Afrikaans wiki? Cheers, StickyWicket (talk) 14:11, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Google translate does a reasonable job. Looks like a virtually unsourced (auto?)biography of someone that fails both WP:NAUTHOR and WP:NCRIC. The only sources are a deadlink, an author search on worldcat, and his cricinfo profile. Fwiw, just one sentence mentions cricket: "At university he was a keen cricketer who in 1953 represented the university's first team". _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 14:29, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

There is that option, though I've always found Google translate to be a little dodgy in the past! I did think given it is quite a substantial piece on the Afrikaans wiki that he had done a fair bit to pass GNG, so thanks for checking that out. I will redirect him to the Cambridge University list. Cheers! StickyWicket (talk) 15:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

I have reviewed Virat Kohli. I have corrected most of the grammatical mistakes and removed unnecessary adjectives. Suggestions by you people are whole heartedely welcomed. RIDHVAN SHARMA (talk) 11:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

• I'm not sure we should e suggesting that he's "widely regarded as one of the greatest cricket players of all time". Greatest is something of a bugbear of mine I'm afraid. None of the sources really say that - perhaps limited-overs you *might* get away with, but the nature of the sources chosen to support this is that they're generally quite hyperbolic (I mean, a tweet from Vaughan?...) The statement before that, "Kohli is often considered one of the best cricket players in the world" I have no problem with - and that's supported by the references. For future proofing I might suggest "one of the best cricketers (or batsmen?) of his era" and then perhaps go on to say "and some critics believe him to be one of the best limited-overs batsmen in history". Or something.
• There are nav boxes that should be right at the bottom of the article half way through. They need moving.
• It's a very long article - I imagine some detail could be cut, but I know that's hard to do. I've seen a lot worse if that helps.
• "Deaccession of captaincy across all formats" doesn't make sense to me. "Retirement from captaincy" might be better?
• The career summary section needs a bit of work - the prose at the top and the bottom seem disjointed? Personally I find the graphs impossible to actually use in any sensible way, but I know similar ones are on other articles.

Those are just immediate thoughts. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:45, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Regarding this statement: "Kohli is often considered one of the best cricket players in the world and widely regarded as one of the greatest cricket players of all time"; the problem I see is that the sources given are generally poor quality (often vulnerable to hyperbole when made in direct response to a specific performance) and simply do not support such claims. The sources are attributable to individuals saying that Kohli is "the greatest" or "one of the greatest", but extending this to say "often considered" or "widely regarded" on the basis of half a dozen quotes is problematic (possibly MOS:WEASEL) unless sources explicitly convey that scope. I'd say simply find better reliable secondary (or tertiary) sources for these claims, as I'm sure there must be some. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 12:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

agree with both responders: the article is way too long, too much run-of-the-mill reporting; having another "one of the greatest" conversations elsewhere, along similar lines Spike 'em (talk) 13:21, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

You all are right. But I have a doubt... What are "nav boxes"? By the way, I have considered your suggestions @Blue Square Thing:. I have replaced "Deaccession of captaincy across all formats" with "Retirement from captaincy across all formats". I have also changed that "one of the greatest" thing. You may review. Anything else to change?

The nav boxes are the stuff Spike 'em moved this morning - take a look at his edits of 18 January and you'll see what I mean. I'm happier with the lead stuff - although I would like to see more balanced refs perhaps, but that's being picky at this stage.

The over-riding issue now is the sheer length of the article I guess. As I said above, I appreciate that that's super hard to deal with, especially when fan-children will want to keep adding their oh so special fact to the article. Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:44, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Yes yes I have checked that edit. Thanks a million.@Blue Square Thing:@Spike 'em:@Wjemather: RIDHVAN SHARMA (talk) 05:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi all, just opened up a peer review here for John Manners. If anyone can spare sometime to review it, would be much appreciated :) StickyWicket (talk) 19:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ernie Toshack with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 12:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Please make a page on this tournament

Legends League Cricket 2022 is a 10-day tournament where we will see three teams playing with each other in the T20 format. A number of retired global cricketing icons will be participating in the tournament.^[1]

• It is a 10-day tournament that will be held at the Oman Cricket Academy Ground in Muscat, Oman.
• Yuvraj Singh, Virender Sehwag, Harbhajan Singh, Irfan Pathan, etc. will be seen playing for the India Maharajas.
• The likes of Shoaib Akhtar, Shahid Afridi, Sanath Jayasuriya, Chaminda Vaas, etc. will be playing for the Asia Lions in the competition.
• A World Giants squad will also be participating which will see players like Daren Sammy, Daniel Vettori, Brett Lee, Jonty Rhodes, Kevin Pietersen, etc in action.
• The Legends League Cricket kicks off on January 20 in Oman.
• The final of the tournament will be held on January 29.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikas265 (talk • contribs)

is there any coverage of this to show it passes WP:GNG ? Spike 'em (talk) 08:05, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Don't see any evidence it passes WP:GNG. And Vikas265 please stop posting everywhere you feel like about this article, it's getting annoying and disruptive (this is probably the correct place to discuss it, other random places are not). What reliable sources are there that cover the event in detail? Joseph2302 (talk) 11:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

• I didn't get it about reliable sources, please explain it. Vikas265 (talk) 17:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

We can't write an article about a subject we know nothing about, and the details you have given above are not enough. We need verifiable information from reliable sources to both show the subject is notable and enable use to add content to the article. Spike 'em (talk) 18:34, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Now, I've added a source, Is it enough for you or not? Vikas265 (talk) 19:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

So , will a page be created on this upcoming tournament?? Vikas265 (talk) 19:45, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Because similar tournaments like 2020-21 Road Safety World Series , Cricket All-Stars were created on wikipedia in the past. Vikas265 (talk) 19:47, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

a) do you see how many sources you need? lots and lots. Please try and avoid hyperbolic ones - perhaps look at Wisden, The Times (of London), Sydney Morning Herald etc... What are they saying about this? By all means use Cricinfo if you need to. That's usually at least vaguely reliable.

b) are these two examples actually notable now? Is the Road Safety one actually still going? (and did they arrange some sort of special disposition over their use of the word "legends"?) It's virtually all sourced to the tournaments own website or to, well, very keen Indian sources isn't it? Did anyone reliable actually cover it? Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:54, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

that source reads like a reworded press release. Is there any coverage that delves into any sort of detail or explains why it was created or what makes it special? This is very much routine coverage.---- Spike 'em (talk) 21:15, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Personally, we shouldn't have articles on tournaments which are not played to FC/LA/T20 level and aren't otherwise historically notable. Too many articles on non-notable hit and giggle leagues about. Let's stick to the ICC definition of official cricket where possible. StickyWicket (talk) 00:42, 20 January 2022 (U iiTC)

Has there been anything in The Times of India about it? JH (talk page) 08:15, 20 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Yes, The Times of India talked about this tournament. See the link .^[2] Vikas265 (talk) 09:31, 20 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

In that case, I'd say it probably passes WP:GNG. JH (talk page) 18:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Can anyone review the Page 2022 Legends League Cricket.? Vikas265 (talk) 20:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

This coverage seems WP:ROUTINE. Still can't see the notability of the league? The matches aren't even covered by Cricinfo. StickyWicket (talk) 23:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

And we should be reminded of Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Official cricket which Rugbyfan22 helpfully drew up, otherwise we will be swamped with articles about what are essentially non-notable leagues which will disappear in a few years, with no long-lasting notability. StickyWicket (talk) 23:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

The matches are covered by Cricinfo Check this link for proof.https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/legends-league-cricket-2021-22-1298090/india-maharajas-vs-asia-lions-1st-match-1298095/full-scorecard Vikas265 (talk) 05:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

I stand corrected on that! They weren't on the scorecards tab on their main page! StickyWicket (talk) 09:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

In a number of articles of cricketers, a separate section is kept for the records. Now, my question is if sources are already cited regarding the records in the prose section, then do they need to be cited again in the record section as 're-use'?Michri michri (talk) 08:24, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Yes. A table of stats without a source is going to get tagged practically every time, so just reference it from the start. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Just give the 1st instance of the reference a name and then reuse it later. Spike 'em (talk) 08:50, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

e.g. at first use have Some text<ref name="label">reference details</ref> and when use again later do Different text<ref name="label" />. The only place you don't need to separately reference something is in the lead, as long as the fact is referenced later in the article (if the fact is not even mentioned later in the article then it shouldn't be in the lead). Spike 'em (talk) 09:31, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thank you Spike 'em and Roger (Dodger67). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michri michri (talk • contribs) 10:51, 20 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

West End Park International Cricket Stadium has the wrong Afghan flag in Template:Infobox cricket ground. It should be using {{cr|AFG|2013}} not {{cr|AFG}} as the Afghan team use the old flag still. Does anyone know how to display the correct flag on the template? Joseph2302 (talk) 16:55, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

each country parameter has an buddy that you can use to specify a year to pass through to {{cr}}. e.g. |firsttesthome= has a pair of |firsttesthomevar=. Spike 'em (talk) 17:01, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

or even |firstodihome=Afghanistan goes with |firstodihomevar=2013 Spike 'em (talk) 17:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi all. Thoughts on this please? I PRODed this, but the PROD has been removed. Do we need this article, or is it just WP:TRIVIA? StickyWicket (talk) 17:15, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

We have corresponding articles for the Test and ODI versions, so I'd keep on that basis. They are all really just mirrors of content in ICC_Awards though, so could either do with 1 transcluding the other, or just plain ditch the child articles (all they seem to add is a user-generated table of most appearances by player / country) Spike 'em (talk) 17:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

(edit conflict) We appear to have an article for every award, cricketer of the year for every format (men and women) and every team of the year for every format (men and women), and also an article for every year's awards, so this simply follows that. I'm sure all of this would be better rationalised in some way. (see Category:International Cricket Council awards and rankings) _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 17:42, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Surely, we just need the ICC Awards and years for that e.g. 2021 ICC Awards. All those other pages are just copying those pages, and we don't need multiple copies of the same thing. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:42, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Yes, just the one article per year is required. If that. It's a bit list crufty anyway. Blue Square Thing (talk) 22:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Agree with all the comments here. And with BST sentiments, they are very list crufty! Going to be bold and merge some over the next few weeks, if no ojections from people here? StickyWicket (talk) 13:11, 22 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi. The group nom has been withdrawn. Here's the first individual nomination:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Hamence with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948 (2nd nomination)

Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:48, 22 January 2022 (UTC)Reply