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Line 1,350: :::::::::Or you can gamble (but not really)and not loose many of them, because ultimately one data point from a completely different Wiki with it's own problems isn't definitive enough evidence to say there will be big enough drop for it to grind the project to a halt. Which was the original presumption about it. Not just that some admins will leave because they don't want to be re-confirmed, but that it will be enough to ultimately destroy the project or otherwise make it unmanageable. Which is mainly where the fear mongering comes in. Anyway, I have read through most of the discussion here and I haven't seen a single admin commit to desysoping themselves if they have to be re-confirmed. Out of the admins who have "voted" so far that I've seen none of them have said anything remotely along those lines. We could always do a side RfC straw poll asking how many admins are commit to desysoping themselves if this is passed, but then I wouldn't call that definitive and we shouldn't be held hostage by a super vote of retaliatory admins either. --[[User:Adamant1|Adamant1]] ([[User talk:Adamant1|talk]]) 05:01, 16 March 2021 (UTC) :::::::::* I believe you are choosing what you want to see. The figures show 97 out of 325 being removed from adminship. That's ~30%. Ok, it's not 33%, so you're technically correct, it's not 1/3rd. I see losing 84 active administrators as a catastrophic impact on the project. You don't. Several examples of projects that are failing for lack of administrators have been noted. You don't see this as a problem. I do. Quite a number of things on this project are already badly backlogged. You don't see this as a problem. I do. And since you asked; if I had to go through a reconfirmation, I would resign rather than run the process. That's not retaliatory, though I imagine you'll interpret it that way. I'm a volunteer here. I'm not going to submit myself to a public flogging so I can have the ability to delete something. It's not that interesting. I also volunteer at a food bank. If I had to endure a public flogging to volunteer there, I wouldn't do it. I'd find some other place to volunteer. At this point, we're talking past each other. You're convinced this will work and I'm convinced it won't. I dare say your view of it isn't convincing me of the veracity of your opinion, nor mine yours. We're done. Thanks, and good luck. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 06:09, 16 March 2021 (UTC) ::::::::::At least far as the discussion that I've been involved with you, your main talking point has been about admins who will potentially desysop themselves because of this if it's passed, not just "losing admins", and I've been pretty clear that I am only talking about that and not the ones who will leave the project due to not being re-confirmed. I never denied that it could be 30% of the admins lost total, but I don't care what the percentage of admins are lost if they deserve it. Your argument seems to be that you would be fine with keeping 30% of the admins no matter how they have behaved or what the opinion of is of the community, simply because the project needs admins. Which is inherently faulty logic and just allows for inappropriate behavior. Personally, and I say this as someone who has been admin of other sites before, I don't see anything wrong with dropping people that should be dropped. The fact that you consider any kind of public scrutiny of an admins behavior beyond the few people who decide outcomes in ArbCom as a public flogging or think that admins should somehow be above such things while general editors shouldn't (at the same time your saying admins aren't "privileged" at all) is exactly why we are "talking past each other." I'm making a evidence based, rational, fair argument for why this should be passed. Whereas all your doing is appealing to emotion and trying to scuttle things "because German Wikipedia." I'm not here to convince people like you. I could really care less what your opinion is, because it's not based in reality and is completely non-nonsensical. Which is exactly why you never directly refuted anything I said or bothered to pose a rational alternative to this besides the status quo. You don't have one that isn't doing the same old same old and lamenting nostalgically about the good old days of adminship. So, clearly there's nothing to discuss. Also, I'm pretty sure the place you volunteer at reviews your performance once in a while. If your not willing to have the same thing done here, good riddance IMO. Your exactly the kind of person I'm saying this project shouldn't be held hostage by. [[User:Adamant1|Adamant1]] ([[User talk:Adamant1|talk]]) 07:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC) | |||