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::Agree per Wjfox2005. [[User:The Voivodeship King|The Voivodeship King]] ([[User talk:The Voivodeship King|talk]]) 09:46, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

== David Warner inclusion (Result: exclusion) ==

Just going to start this section for reference on his inclusion. I'm leaning towards '''include''' as he's won an Emmy, appeared in multiple renowned films (some international films at that) and (IMO) has just as much reason to be included as [[James Caan]]. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 13:24, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

:If we're including Caan, Liotta & Warner - all of whom have very few awards & aren't considered to have been among the best actors - we're going to include many each year. I think we should exclude all of them. [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 15:26, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

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:Using my usual metric of "proper" obituaries in international heavyweight sources, although many do exist a number of them are AP type copy and pastes. Compared (certainly) to Caan and (to a lesser extent) Liotta, there doesn't seem to be the coverage there. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:23, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

== Bill Russell (Result: exclusion) ==

Should Bill Russell also be excluded from the 1934 article as well or keep him there? He lacks international nobility but I’m curious. [[User:MrMimikyu1998|Kyu]] ([[User talk:MrMimikyu1998|talk]]) 20:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

:'''Exclude''' from both due to insufficient international notability. The inclusion criteria for Births sections are the same as for Deaths sections. [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 20:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

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::::Fair enough. [[User:The Voivodeship King|The Voivodeship King]] ([[User talk:The Voivodeship King|talk]]) 13:44, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

== Nichelle Nichols (Result: exclusion) ==

There seems to be a lack of consensus on whether or not to include Nichelle Nichols. I believe for many of the reasons stated for other American actors and athletes who have died in 2022, we should '''Exclude''' her. [[User:PaulRKil|PaulRKil]] ([[User talk:PaulRKil|talk]]) 17:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

:I agree. She's a domestic figure who, like many actors, also has fans in other countries. [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 17:57, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

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:We’ve always included “Sir” and “Dame” when it comes to such figures (regardless of whether or not we want to change that now), and it’s a false equivalency to invoke Presidential figures, where such a title has '''never''' been included, especially in photo captions. So I don’t know why that point is consistently brought up by you. [[User:TheScrubby|TheScrubby]] ([[User talk:TheScrubby|talk]]) 08:14, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

== Anne Heche (Result: exclusion) ==

I don’t think Heche should be here although she was an Emmy winner. Should she be excluded? [[User:MrMimikyu1998|Kyu]] ([[User talk:MrMimikyu1998|talk]]) 20:26, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

:'''Exclude''' due to insufficient international notability. Most of the coverage surrounding her death are due to the (tragic) circumstances of it rather than the notability of her career itself. [[User:TheScrubby|TheScrubby]] ([[User talk:TheScrubby|talk]]) 00:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

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*'''Oppose/Doubtful''' It dropped off the news headlines very quickly. It would be different if it is definitely discovered that there was a political motive - and exactly what that motive was. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 12:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

== [[Piero Angela]] (Result: exclusion) ==

Is Piero Angela notable enough for inclusion. this dude has already been added to the death section twice already, so I'm making the talk page just to see what everyone's thoughts is, any thoughts??? [[User:4me689|'''4me689''']] ([[User talk:4me689|talk]]) 22:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

*'''Exclude''' due to a lack of international notability. [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 07:10, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

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:'''Exclude''', as per above [[User:4me689|'''4me689''']] ([[User talk:4me689|talk]]) 18:52, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

== Wolfgang Petersen inclusion (Result: inclusion) ==

Thoughts on [[Wolfgang Petersen]] being included in the death section? I'm creating a talk page discussion about this for reference. I'm leaning towards '''inclusion''' for the fact he made blockbuster films, was a well known director and was a two-time Oscar nominee. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 13:39, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' because although he was a successful filmmaker in his native Germany as well as the US, he has no awards. Nominations aren't important enough. He isn't considered to have been one of the best filmmakers. His notability is significantly below that of [[Paul Verhoeven]], who likewise has been a successful filmmaker in his own country as well as the US but whom has significant awards from multiple countries. We don't & shouldn't include most of the European actors who have been in notable films on both sides of the Atlantic; I don't think we should treat filmmakers differently in that regard. [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 14:17, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

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:'''Include'''. I think he's pretty well known worldwide. I certainly knew of him. Maybe not quite a household name, but still very significant. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 12:31, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

== [[Fashion design]]ers (Result: )==

Where should the inclusion bar be for fashion designers? Are [[Issey Miyake]] & [[Hanae Mori]] internationally notable enough? [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 13:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

:both look they have enough International nobility for me to approve for inclusion, I mean they look like they have a pretty good resume. [[User:4me689|'''4me689''']] ([[User talk:4me689|talk]]) 03:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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::[[Issey Miyake]], yes, very widely known internationally; [[Hanae Mori]], no. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

== Collages (Result: ) ==

Can collages be added to main year articles, recently a discussion has been opened up in the [[Talk:2020]] page about collages an idea brought up by the user KoopaDaQuick, I also had this idea but just forgot about it until very recently. it would bring more originality to this pages and would make every main year article look unique, the idea is like the collages in the decade articles, we're a couple photos are in the info box and you can click on them to go directly to the article that picture is from. I want to see what everyone's thoughts on adding a collage are, and if yes list what pictures would be on a possible 2022 collage. [[User:4me689|'''4me689''']] ([[User talk:4me689|talk]]) 00:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

:Yeah, giving each year a montage would be a good idea. I don't know if we want to do one as plentiful as the one I did for [[2020]], but maybe we could do it in a similar manner as the ones we already use for the decade articles. [[User:KoopaDaQuick|KoopaDaQuick]] ([[User talk:KoopaDaQuick|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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:::We're probably not going to use the style of the collage that is currently on the picture on the 2020 article, we're more than likely going to use the style that is used in the decade articles. Also, {{ping|Jim Michael 2}}, {{ping|TheScrubby}}, and {{ping|Black Kite}} what do you think about this, they're the main contributors. [[User:4me689|'''4me689''']] ([[User talk:4me689|talk]]) 16:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

== Jean-Jacques Sempé inclusion (Result: inclusion) ==

I'd be leaning towards '''borderline including''' French cartoonist [[Jean-Jacques Sempé]] as it appears he's had some international notability, seeing how he has worked on publications not only in his native France but also the U.S., Germany and with his [https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220811-jean-jacques-semp%C3%A9-french-cartoonist-of-le-petit-nicolas-fame-dies-at-89 obit] saying he had "international acclaim". I feel like he'd be worth including here. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 05:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

:I also agree with '''borderline inclusion''', as looking at his resume, he was known for his unique drawings. [[User:4me689|'''4me689''']] ([[User talk:4me689|talk]]) 06:25, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

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*'''Include''' Published in at least 30 languages, and his children's book series has received several adaptations. To be honest, I was surprised that Sempé was still alive until this year. His most groundbreaking work dates to the 1950s and the 1960s, and his creative partner [[René Goscinny]] died back in 1977. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 16:09, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

== [[2022 European derecho]] (Result: exclusion)==

is the 2022 European derecho notable enough for inclusion, just asking????? [[User:4me689|'''4me689''']] ([[User talk:4me689|talk]]) 22:04, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

:'''Exclude'''. 12 deaths just isn't notable enough for this page, sorry. There's a bit more flexibility when it comes to terrorism/violent incidents, but we're talking about a natural disaster here. [[User:Wjfox2005|Wjfox2005]] ([[User talk:Wjfox2005|talk]]) 09:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

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* Done. Thanks. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 19:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

== [[Vesa-Matti Loiri]] (Result: exclusion) ==

I think we should add [[Vesa-Matti Loiri]] to deaths. He was a legend in Finland, and we all are really shocked here. I think he was big enough to be added. --[[User:Ruttoperuna|Ruttoperuna]] ([[User talk:Ruttoperuna|talk]]) 15:25, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

:No, because he doesn't have enough international notability. [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 17:34, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

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:in my opinion '''exclude''' because he wasn't really that prominent outside Finland [[User:4me689|'''4me689''']] ([[User talk:4me689|talk]]) 02:23, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

== [[Milutin Šoškić]] (Result: ) ==

is Milutin Šoškić notable enough for inclusion, any thoughts?????

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::You mean [[Balkan]] rather than [[Baltic states|Baltic]]. He played in Germany & coached the US team, but didn't have any significant achievements when doing so. Team medals don't grant inclusion on main year articles. [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 07:55, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

== Death of the [[Man of the Hole]] (Result: exclusion) ==

Should the death of the [[Man of the Hole]] in Brazil be included in the events section or the deaths section? Or should it even be included at all? [[User:Electricvan14|Electricvan14]] ([[User talk:Electricvan14|talk]]) 18:08, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

:'''Exclude''', he wasn't all that known outside of Brazil. Furthermore it wasn't the last uncontacted tribesman in South America or in Brazil for that matter. [[User:4me689|'''4me689''']] ([[User talk:4me689|talk]]) 18:49, 29 August 2022 (UTC)