Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alphonse Moussette - Wikipedia
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination. This AfD failed to get significant involvement from a reasonable number of editors despite having already been relisted twice. (non-admin closure) — Mhawk10 (talk) 05:42, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Biography of a mayor, not properly sourced as passing WP:NPOL #2. To be fair, this was created at a time when our inclusion criteria for mayors was "inherently notable if the city has crossed the 50K bar in population", but that was deprecated several years ago -- in 2021, the notability bar for mayors requires a substantial and well-sourced article that establishes the significance of their mayoralty by addressing specific things they did, specific projects they spearheaded, specific effects they had on the development of the city, and on and so forth. But this basically just documents that he existed as mayor, and is referenced entirely to primary sources that aren't support for notability at all, which is exactly the kind of article about a mayor that caused us to deprecate the old "50K = free pass" standard. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt the referencing from having to be considerably better than this. Bearcat (talk) 18:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Quebec-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep. It depends on if you consider the Ottawa Citizen a RS. They ran a front-page story on his death called "Hull's Chieftain Dies, Aged 59", which covered his political and personal life (source here); coverage of him winning the mayor's seat with "J. Alphonse Moussette Elected Hull Mayor" (source here); and covered that he was a member of the inagural Hull Red Cross board (source here). There's also coverage from the Ottawa Journal, which covered him winning the mayor's seat and gave his political backstory with the story "Moussette Elected Mayor of Hull Defeating Bilodeau by 1,100" (here); and a lawsuit he filed in the Quebec Court of Appeals (source here). He was additionally and alderman before becoming mayor, and according to the French Wiki, he has a park, street, and beach named after him in Ottowa. So there is coverage out there. --Kbabej (talk) 00:13, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- That isn't enough to establish the notability of a mayor in and of itself. Mayors are not permanently established as notable just because it's possible to show a couple of "mayor wins election" hits in the local media — covering elections in the local coverage area is literally local media's primary job, and thus every mayor who existed at all can always show one or two of those, so we would always have to keep an article about every single person who was ever mayor of anywhere if that were all it took. The notability test for mayors requires a lot of coverage throughout his mayoralty, enabling us to write a substantial article about the significance (not just the existence) of his mayoralty, but the Red Cross and lawsuit hits aren't enough to do that since the Red Cross hit just namechecks his existence without being about him and the lawsuit hit is just a short blurb. And no, mayors don't get an automatic notability freebie just because they have streets or parks named after them in the local area, either. Bearcat (talk) 14:15, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- That makes sense. What about the “Hull Chieftain Dies” front page article? I’m basing my “weak Keep” !vote with that as the primary RS for this subject. —Kbabej (talk) 22:12, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- That isn't enough to establish the notability of a mayor in and of itself. Mayors are not permanently established as notable just because it's possible to show a couple of "mayor wins election" hits in the local media — covering elections in the local coverage area is literally local media's primary job, and thus every mayor who existed at all can always show one or two of those, so we would always have to keep an article about every single person who was ever mayor of anywhere if that were all it took. The notability test for mayors requires a lot of coverage throughout his mayoralty, enabling us to write a substantial article about the significance (not just the existence) of his mayoralty, but the Red Cross and lawsuit hits aren't enough to do that since the Red Cross hit just namechecks his existence without being about him and the lawsuit hit is just a short blurb. And no, mayors don't get an automatic notability freebie just because they have streets or parks named after them in the local area, either. Bearcat (talk) 14:15, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 18:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:11, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.