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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. MBisanz ^talk 23:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm actually basically neutral regarding this article, but it has been speedily deleted a couple of times as far as I can see and the material simply recreated; I would suggest that this in itself is grounds for a further speedy but prepared to take it here instead following comment on the talk page. The argument is that the band fails WP:MUSIC... there is little or no significant independent, third-party coverage in reliable sources, and the band have not released multiple albums on a notable label (EPs and compilation appearances obviously don't count). There is also no claim to notability (simply stating that they're influential without a source is pretty weak). All I could see was an interview in an online fanzine and some reviews, which strikes me as being insufficient, but I remain basically neutral for the time being. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:54, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep With all due respect, the nominator's statement that the article was deleted "a couple of times so far" is misleading. It was deleted three times today]. Once as a copyright violation, once as A7 and once by me after I goofed in restoring the page. I don't know the band. I restored the page as a stub after removing the bulk of the text which was indeed a copyright violation. As admins can verify, it was the text available on the MySpace fan page (warning: loud metal music) [1]. I would add that death metal never top the charts so looking for gold records is not a good yardstick. But I think it makes sense to keep the article: reasonably long career, associated with two relatively well-known metal labels, still remembered 15 years after they disbanded [2] [3] [4] [5] (and actually remembered by people speaking French and Spanish). Most of the above don't qualify as good sources (and some are not even sources) but it's a bit unfair to look for online interviews with a band that disbanded in the mid 90s. But it's evidence that the band was meaningful. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 19:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I sympathise with the above, and finding sources for pre-Internet underground bands is obviously a problem, but burden of proof is still on the claimants. They haven't released multiple albums on a notable underground label; in fact, they haven't released a single record on a notable underground label... they have an EP on Relapse and that's it. Gold records don't come into it; which bit of WP:MUSIC or WP:GNG do they pass? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a claimant, in fact I have zero interest in this article so I'm not sure what "burden of proof" means here. I rarely visit AfD nowadays but I don't remember it being so legalistic. All I'm saying if that if a band that disbanded 10 years ago still has its singles re-released on a compilation of an established death metal label [6] then we should err on the side of keeping the article. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 21:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 00:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete but I can be swayed by one (or two) articles in fairly reliable sources. That one Relapse EP is nice, but the rerelease, that's just one single. And BMBaz isn't being legalistic--he's simply applying the rules. You have to admit, Pascal, the article is woefully undersourced. Drmies (talk) 01:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The band is important enough to be remembered today. I added a link to an interview in a German Metal website.--H8erade (talk) 02:00, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —--Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 16:40, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the article is a clear improvement of the encyclopedia. If someone looked through old issues of Guitar and Metal related magazines, they would sure find significant coverage. Internet coverage is a bit hard to find because of their disbanding in early web history and the record label by the same name. While you find little about the band itself, many other bands and musicians call them a "legendary act". I found [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]. --Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 18:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.