Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stefan Legein - Wikipedia
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete Maxim(talk) 17:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Stefan Legein (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
A junior ice hockey player who has not yet become notable JD554 (talk) 21:17, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Come back when you make the Blue Jackets, kid. Blueboy96 21:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I would agree that the article should be reduced in length but he did at least make the Canadian 2008 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships team. -RiverHockey (talk) 21:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Junior players just aren't notable in any sport. Nick mallory (talk) 22:51, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'd disagree with that generalization. That said, this junior player does not appear to be notable just yet. Resolute 23:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'd have to agree with Resolute. -RiverHockey (talk) 19:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'd disagree with that generalization. That said, this junior player does not appear to be notable just yet. Resolute 23:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Why do you disagree with my 'generalisation'? The Wikipedia notability guidelines for sport say that a person has to have competed at the highest level of the game. A fourteen year old Gymnast at the Olympics is therefore notable, a fifteen year old footballer playing for a Man United youth team is not. It's not the age of the player, it's the level at which they play. If it's a 'junior' level, then they're not notable, if they are Nadia Comăneci then they are. Nick mallory (talk) 13:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia guidelines state that playing at the highest level of sport is a self-evident claim of notability. That is hardly the same as stating that no junior players are notable. John Tavares is a highly notable junior player, one of the most talked about hockey players at any level, in fact. Simply playing junior hockey certainly does not confer notability automatically, but one's exploits in junior hockey can make a player notable. Resolute 04:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You present no evidence to substantiate that argument. 'Most talked about'? What does that mean? If he's that good he'll soon be playing with the big boys and can have an article thenNick mallory (talk) 06:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I bring Tavares up only as an example. If you wish to debate the merits of an article on him specifically, feel free to begin a discussion on my talk page, or at WT:HOCKEY. Or, if you really wish to test your assumption on the notability of junior players, AfD his article and see how successful you are. Resolute 15:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- John Tavares meets the established WP:HOCKEY notability guidelines (see RGTraynor's post below). He won the Outstanding OHL award and Outstanding CHL award. I would say being named the best player in all of junior hockey equates to winning a major award. Patken4 (talk) 20:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You present no evidence to substantiate that argument. 'Most talked about'? What does that mean? If he's that good he'll soon be playing with the big boys and can have an article thenNick mallory (talk) 06:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia guidelines state that playing at the highest level of sport is a self-evident claim of notability. That is hardly the same as stating that no junior players are notable. John Tavares is a highly notable junior player, one of the most talked about hockey players at any level, in fact. Simply playing junior hockey certainly does not confer notability automatically, but one's exploits in junior hockey can make a player notable. Resolute 04:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Why do you disagree with my 'generalisation'? The Wikipedia notability guidelines for sport say that a person has to have competed at the highest level of the game. A fourteen year old Gymnast at the Olympics is therefore notable, a fifteen year old footballer playing for a Man United youth team is not. It's not the age of the player, it's the level at which they play. If it's a 'junior' level, then they're not notable, if they are Nadia Comăneci then they are. Nick mallory (talk) 13:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Legein is a non-notable person. This type of biography should not exist on Wikipedia. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:09, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. He's played for the National Junior team. That makes him sufficiently notable, especially considering the popularity of the World Junior Championship in his native country, Canada. Legein is a household name among many hockey fans. -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:58, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Fails to meet WP:BIO, fails to meet WP:HOCKEY standards for notability at his level of play: "Achieved preeminent honors (all-time top ten career scorer, league or playoff MVP, first team all-star, All-American) in a lower minor league ... in a major junior league ... or in a major collegiate hockey league." RGTraynor 23:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Perhaps its time to re-evaluate the notability guidelines for hockey players. Legein, Matt Halischuk, and Logan Pyett and their ilk get essentially the undivided attention of the world's biggest hockey country for the better part of a month. That is more notable as a hockey player than a guy who plays one game in the NHL, and someone creates an article after his name appears on the scoresheet never to be touched again. Legein is 'notable' for a hockey player based on what he has done to date, never mind when he makes the Blue Jackets.Leafschik1967 (talk) 17:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Feel free to hit the WP:BIO talk page and see if you can swing consensus to your views. RGTraynor 20:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- News coverage for a month doesn't mean the player will achieve long-term notability – Notability is not temporary. And as Wikipedia is not a crystal ball we don't yet know if he will achieve that notability. --JD554 (talk) 09:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Question. The article states Legein won the most improved player award in a poll of coaches. Is this considered a major award? It doesn't appear to be one, but I bring this up just in case. This would be the only avenue to which this subject could be notable per the above stated guidelines. I don't see being invited to the World Junior's or Top Prospect Game being notable.Patken4 (talk) 20:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- One of our editors more versed in the Ontario Hockey League would be able to give you a better answer, but no, I do not believe that these coaches' polls would be considered major awards. Resolute 20:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not yet notable, can be readded if and when he plays professionally or earns notability through something like an award. News coverage for a couple weeks does not create notability as Notability is not temporary. -Djsasso (talk) 23:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.