Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 September 10 - Wikipedia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was keep. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:08, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Rayment (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Rayment-pc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Rayment-hc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Rayment's website is a self-published source. There's no evidence it meets WP:RS, and these templates are being used (in some cases deceptively) to link to bare lists of names that we'd probably delete here as redundant to categories. The templates serve to perpetuate links to an unreliable source. Guy (help!) 22:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep all The reliability of these has been discussed before, for example at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage/Archive 10#Leigh Rayment's Peerage Pages and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage/Archive 11#Leigh Rayment's Peerage Pages (2017). {{Rayment}} was also kept at a previous TfD, something that was not mentioned by the nominator. Also, only one of the three templates has been tagged. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:24, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The site is a remarkable work of research and no more "self-published" than Wikipedia is.The originator has died and the site is now hijacked by a pill-vendor but its laudable content is still available via the Wayback Machine.12.144.5.2 (talk) 01:45, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep all Per Redrose64, but I might like to see the template pointing to the archive.org rather than site ... might need fuzzy date matching for dates before 2016 or something (I don't know what I am talking about). Using as my example Jonathan Pim (1806–1885) the target I'm looking for is Dublin on ... [1] ... unfortunately the article is set to use: Leigh Rayment's Historical List of MPs which is too broad while Leigh Rayment's Historical List of MPs – Constituencies beginning with "D" (part 3) barf's with a 404. So if th template cannot be improved it may need to ditched and static links to Wayback used instead .... 'tis a project but ye shouldn't be undoing man years of work with panic ... delete.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:58, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep all as Rayment's work was rather useful. Schwede66 23:50, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).