[Foundation-l] Status of cloak requests
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Catalyzing is bit lame some times, I'll give you that. But being opped all of the time and keeping bans for longer than a few days for people without a history of abuse is just plain stupid and I would assume any IRC network set up by WMF wouldn't allow it either. --John Reaves On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester at gmail.com> wrote: > "Catalyzing". Ops not being allowed to stay opped all of the time. > Bans being removed after short periods of time. > > -Dan > On Feb 26, 2008, at 10:21 AM, John Reaves wrote: > > > What freenode restrictions are enabling bot attacks? > > > > --John Reaves > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Dan Rosenthal > > <swatjester at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> The underlying problem with that is they are also able to tell > >> legitimate complaints no. It beholdens one of the methods of the > >> Foundation's communications (official or not) to a 3rd party's > >> policies, with zero oversight or enforcement from the foundation. And > >> then, we're presented with problems like relying on a third party to > >> protect our privacy with cloaks; newcomers that are disgusted and > >> turned away by coming into our channels and seeing bot attacks that > >> we > >> are hamstrung from preventing due to stupid restrictions on ops by > >> freenode; group contacts that have been criticized as being > >> unavailable and unhelpful; drama involving logging policies etc. > >> > >> We could bypass all of this by simply hosting the IRC server > >> ourselves. > >> > >> -Dan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:36 AM, David Gerard wrote: > >> > >>> On 26/02/2008, Paul Williams <paul at skenmy.com> wrote: > >>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Dan Rosenthal > >>>> <swatjester at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>>> A question that has been raised for some time. Freenode has issues > >>>>> beyond just the IRC cloaks. Why aren't we having an > >>>>> irc.wikimedia.org? There's really no good reason beyond "that's > >>>>> just > >>>>> the way it is." > >>> > >>>> I have considerable experience in running IRC servers and networks. > >>>> They > >>>> aren't particularly resource intensive - and the customisation > >>>> facilities > >>>> are massive if you have backend access. > >>>> Just give me a shout if you need anything regarding this and i'd be > >>>> more > >>>> than willing to help out. > >>> > >>> > >>> Lots of people around Wikimedia and its projects use IRC very > >>> effectively as a working tool, but the social project fallout on > >>> en:wp > >>> in particular from IRC use and suspicion of it is ... remarkable. > >>> (See > >>> the recent arbitration case for an example.) > >>> > >>> One important and useful byproduct of the Foundation's hands-off > >>> approach to Wikimedia IRC on Freenode is being able to tell people > >>> complaining to the Foundation to go away and ask James or Sean, both > >>> of whom are highly practiced in telling spurious complainants "no." > >>> > >>> I suppose if we had our own server they could get the job there too > >>> and do it in a similar way ... "Here, James, Sean, have this > >>> excellent > >>> chalice. Only a little poison!" > >>> > >>> > >>> - d. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> foundation-l mailing list > >>> foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > >> foundation-l > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >
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