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*'''Support both''' - Proud Boy's use of violence is overwhelmingly and extensively documented, including the exact term "political violence" so this is not merely an intrepretation. ''Not'' including them would be undue. "Glorifying violence" may be a bit subjective but it is included in sources verbatim, so it deserves a place in lead too, although not necessarily using the exact words. [[User:Tsumikiria|Tsumikiria]] ([[User talk:Tsumikiria|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Tsumikiria|C]]) 06:05, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

::<s>Oppose We should not state it in [[WP:WikiVoice|Wikipedia's voice]]. Besides, it fails verification based on the sources provided. Also, not so sure, but it seems a bit undue and unbalanced to put in the first sentence and the infobox. [[Special:Contributions/49.195.72.88|49.195.72.88]] ([[User talk:49.195.72.88|talk]]) 00:25, 23 November 2018 (UTC)</s> Striking vote by blocked user. [[User_talk:Bradv|Brad]][[Special:Contributions/Bradv|v]] 01:26, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

*'''Oppose both''': [[User:HouseOfChange|HouseOfChange]] is right to say that "glorifies violence" is more accurate. Saying "promotes political violence" gives the impression that Proud Boys organize violent attacks or destruction to advance political aims. Rather, the violence seems to revolve around defense against Antifa, who do those things. --[[User:Haptic-feedback|Haptic Feedback]] ([[User talk:Haptic-feedback|talk]]) 22:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

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