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Jewish dairy restaurant
- ... that Leon Trotsky frequented a Jewish dairy restaurant in the Bronx but refused to tip, and waiters retaliated by spilling hot soup on him?
- Reviewed:
Created by Andrevan聽(talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Andre馃殣 09:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC).
- Not a full review, but the interesting thing about the article is the fact that Jewish dairy restaurants even exist in the first place, considering kosher laws. I'd suggest proposing hooks that focus specifically on that aspect, as least as possible options for the promoter, as the mere concept of the Jewish dairy restaurant is the elephant in the room here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk 路 contributions) 10:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- As a non-Jew myself, I just thought that the actual concept was interesting by itself. It might not be as obvious to observant Jews of course since they may take it for granted, but especially to people from places where Jews are not very visible it might be unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk 路 contributions) 14:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Yeah maybe there could be an ALT1 like:
- As a non-Jew myself, I just thought that the actual concept was interesting by itself. It might not be as obvious to observant Jews of course since they may take it for granted, but especially to people from places where Jews are not very visible it might be unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk 路 contributions) 14:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
... that Jewish dairy restaurants specialize in food like cheese blintzes and vegetarian borscht to accommodate the kosher Jewish dietary rules on milk and meat?
- A bit long perhaps? Andre馃殣 14:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:DYKTRIM it could be shortened to something like "... that Jewish dairy restaurants specialize in food that accommodate the kosher Jewish dietary rules on milk and meat?" Would that be okay with you? Narutolovehinata5 (talk 路 contributions) 00:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- A bit long perhaps? Andre馃殣 14:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
I do think the original hook is interesting, I only mentioned the suggestion above so that it could be offered as an option. It's probably best for a reviewer to make the final decision. I've slightly modified the original hook to give Trotsky's full name since not all readers may know who he is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk 路 contributions) 12:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Can I review the article or do my copyedits disqualify me? Viriditas (talk) 21:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- It might be safer to leave it to another editor to do the actual review of the article content, although you can probably do some of the more technical aspects like article creation, hook interest, etc. Narutolovehinata5 (talk 路 contributions) 23:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I thought that was part of the review! Andre馃殣 01:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- On the one hand, I disagree with Narutolovehinata5, as I think they could have done the review themselves just as much as I could. But, on the other hand, I admire someone who takes the neutrality principle to such an extreme, and you have to respect that even if you personally disagree with it. With that said, such a position can also have unintended consequences, such as leading to the timing out of this nom due to such high-minded principles. Viriditas (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Would it help if I review some DYKs that are in the backlog? Andre馃殣 01:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- You're very much encouraged to do so, especially since any review can be used in the future once you are required to provide QPQs. Narutolovehinata5 (talk 路 contributions) 23:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Would it help if I review some DYKs that are in the backlog? Andre馃殣 01:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- On the one hand, I disagree with Narutolovehinata5, as I think they could have done the review themselves just as much as I could. But, on the other hand, I admire someone who takes the neutrality principle to such an extreme, and you have to respect that even if you personally disagree with it. With that said, such a position can also have unintended consequences, such as leading to the timing out of this nom due to such high-minded principles. Viriditas (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I thought that was part of the review! Andre馃殣 01:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- It might be safer to leave it to another editor to do the actual review of the article content, although you can probably do some of the more technical aspects like article creation, hook interest, etc. Narutolovehinata5 (talk 路 contributions) 23:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify Viriditas's concern, the reason I asked for a new review is more out of check-and-balance reasons. Personally I have a preference ALT1 (the straightforward hook), but others may disagree and think that the Trotsky angle is more interesting (and personally I do also find it interesting). Normally what I could have done is to approve both hooks and leave it to the promoter, but given how torn I am over the options I thought bringing in a third-party editor to give their own opinion would also help reach a proper consensus. Narutolovehinata5 (talk 路 contributions) 02:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)