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Martin, As you archive so regularly (unlike some editors ...) I thought that this would
a) Brighten up your page, and
b) Add a serious tone amidst all the hilarity.
All the best to you and yours –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 11:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. A lovely picture. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
I have made a little seasonal update - hope you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Reply
Not at all. The snow has almost vanished.
A Christian feast commemorating the resurrection of Christ; the first Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or next after the vernal equinox, neither earlier than March 22 nor later than April 25.
I hate this BST ... why can't we stick with good old GMT? (... it follows the sun after all)
Cheers!
— Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 10:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Reply
now, I ask you, what kind of alphabetical (or significance) order is that?!!
Yours, aye John Lemon
Have always loved that record. Good compilation of photographs ... who is the geezer in the middle — at 1 min 32 secs? –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:28, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Reply
For some reason, he always reminded me of Nixon!
Oh! Of course. I knew that really –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Reply
 
... my own personal permanent fixture tribute...
 
You turn your back for a just a second and some strange Swedish person sneaks in and steals your records!!

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IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 11:50, 1 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, IgnatiusofLondon. If I do find her, I'll be sure to let you know. I haven't yet checked behind the shed... Martinevans123 (talk) 11:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Martinevans123 Are you by any chance a media reporter professionally? Also, your suggestion, "I haven't yet checked behind the shed...," seems to imply something vulgar. Nevertheless, as a child, I won't overthink it. Just to inform you, based on exclusive revelations from insiders, she won't be returning to public duties as before until her medical team advises in that direction. Looking forward to our future collaborations. Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 11:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see. "... exclusive revelations from insiders"? Wikipedia is so glam these days. But so sorry no, no chance. And not that vulgar. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
You expected to find William also most probably and even better, another man, maybe. Anyways, I am a child and would leave this conversation here and now itself. Have a great day. Regards MSincccc (talk) 14:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Or maybe just rough sleeping under the hedge? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Please be clear with what you have to say. What does Kate Bush have to do with Catherine?Regards MSincccc (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Did you become acquainted with Catherine and the royal family only recently? I have been hooked onto them since 2019 when I was not even a decade old. Regards MSincccc (talk) 14:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Note to self: please be clearer. I'd hardly claim that I was acquainted with either of the Kates. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Martinevans123 Inquiring about your acquaintance with Catherine was to ascertain your familiarity with publicly available information about her, including gossip. I'm confident that none of the adults here have millionaire partners, nor are they publicly recognized. It's improbable that anyone here has dated or married someone like Catherine, if not her. Moreover, I intend to leave this platform soon for a better life in the real world. As I'm quite young and approaching my teenage years, with adulthood on the horizon, I'm eager to hear your perspective on this. Regards MSincccc (talk) 17:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I would strongly recommend a move to the real world. You might even date or marry someone like Catherine! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the good wishes @Martinevans123. By the way, do you reckon Charlotte will ever take after her mum in terms of looks? Will she turn out to be a brunette like her or a blonde like her father and brothers? Have a great day ahead. Signing off and regards from MSincccc (talk) 17:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

At least that is what the United States says. They own Park Place and Boardwalk. Maybe we can add more information to it? Awesome Aasim 23:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ah yes, the Big Apple. Who knew! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
The Bigger (or maybe lesser) Apple which is now one of the most valuable companies in the world got into a similar pesty situation back at the beginning of the end. Nah, I'll just stick to those robotic phones in buildings lined with glass. Or maybe lined with $. And probably the biggest Apple. I don't know. Awesome Aasim 02:49, 5 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Not forgetting the groovy Scouse one: [1] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC) get back... (Billy appears at 1:35!)Reply

I've removed content from Gerry Conway that was a blatant paraphrase of this bio. You might want to demonstrate that you're learning what is acceptable paraphrasing by cleaning up Poor Murdered Woman as well. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 21:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, David. I guess you mean Gerry Conway (musician)? I wonder how much of the overlap detected by Earwig at Poor Murdered Woman is due to direct quotation? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I've re-written the passage at Gerry Conway, but if you think the paraphrasing is still too close you may wish to remove it again, or perhaps suggest possible alternative text. It seems nomination of articles at WP:ITN/RD may not receive the appropriate level of checking for possible copyvio? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 8 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
As you will probably have seen, Diannaa flagged up a potential problem with a portion of the lyrics at Poor Murdered Woman, and removed them as a preventative measure. But she did not mention any further problems with possible copyvio. If you judge that any portions of the article are in breach of copyright, I would be very grateful if you could remove them, or highlight them in some way, so that a re-write can be attempted. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Martin, I made some further revisions on the Conway page, although I'm not sure how much of an improvement my edit was.
I've been thinking about this issue, and an idea occurred to me for something that I hope might be helpful to you. It occurs to me that you have been approaching these edits sort of like reporting what the sources say. Of course it's true that we require our content to faithfully reflect what the sources say, but there's a subtle distinction that I'd like to point out to you. There's a difference between reporting what the sources say, and writing content that is based accurately on the information in the sources. If you approach it in the latter way, instead of the former, I think that will help. So if, for example, you write content about Conway, you should be writing some new (original) text, while making sure that every fact you claim is backed up by the sources. That's not the same thing as telling the reader what the reader would see if the reader went to the source and read that. That may sound like I'm splitting hairs, but I feel like if you keep that distinction in mind, it will help you a lot. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks. I wasn't really expecting an appraisal of my re-write from David. Although it seems like he didn't intend to revdel the first version. If you have any suggestions of where there is unacceptable paraphrasing at Poor Murdered Woman, I'd be very grateful. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
OK, I looked at the Earwig test that David ran, and here is a refined version, looking just at the most probable source: [2]. (The source: [3].) First, I'll point to some things that are obviously not problems, because they are just phrases that don't lend themselves to rewording, and are merely brief bits of a few words: "Rev. Charles J. Shebbeare, at Milford, Surrey", "Mr. Fairs, a brickmaker of Leatherhead Common", and "The Albion Country Band, No Roses". And likewise for phrases from the lyrics of the song, which I take to be public domain. None of that is a problem.
So here are some passages that I do think need to be fixed:
  1. "a true story, the actual events of which were reported in The Times on Tuesday 14 January 1834."
  2. "and reissued on the compilation albums"
  3. "in the original album's sleeve notes"
Now, that said, after looking very carefully, I think it's a lot better than what it looked like at first glance. That's because the extensive passages picked up by Earwig are actually direct quotes from commentators, that are fully identified and sourced as such on the page, such as the block quote at the end of the Background section, and the quote from the sleeve notes in the first bullet point of the Recorded versions section. There's nothing wrong with any of that, and honestly, I don't think anyone would have brought it up, except for the fact that you are, understandably, under close scrutiny. But, the situation being what it is, I think you can revise #1–3 that I listed. Let me know when you do, and I'll be happy to check it. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ah yes, close scrutiny. I think I might have to preserve that very over-used two-word phrase "The Times" intact. If only the article was in US English, I might even manage "January 14, 1834, which was a Tuesday". I'll let you know... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [4] (Herman Yorks on saxophone)Reply
... "in the original album's sleeve notes"? That's copyvio? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
No, but it's overly close paraphrasing. Think of another way to identify which album it was. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Just for context, the source has:
"Martin Carthy sang Poor Murdered Woman on his 1968 album with Dave Swarbrick, But Two Came By, and reissued on the compilation albums This Is... Martin Carthy and A Collection. Martin Carthy commented in his original album's sleeve notes:"
The current text is:
"* 1968, Martin Carthy (guitar, vocal) and Dave Swarbrick (mandolin), But Two Came By, Topic Records. It also appears on the compilation albums: This Is... Martin Carthy (1971), A Collection (1999), and Essential (2011). Carthy comments in the original album's sleeve notes:"
Maybe I should use "liner notes", as that provides a direct link to the appropriate article. Perhaps I could put "Carthy comments in the liner notes for his 1968 album:", although that does repeat the year.
And "On Tuesday 14 January 1834, the events related in the story were reported in The Times." Martinevans123 (talk) 09:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I hadn't thought of "liner notes", but I like it. Using the year was what I was hinting at, so I support that change too. I'm not bothered by the repeat.
I think your revision of #1 is also an improvement. I think it can be further improved by making it into two sentences. Something like: "On Tuesday 14 January 1834, an actual murder was reported in The Times. The song lyrics appear to have been based on that." You could perhaps improve on my second sentence in terms of attribution. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ah thanks. But you're too kind. I'm meant to be "demonstrating that I'm learning", remember. Maybe we need to check with David first. It's a surprise to get a post here for the first time in 17 years. Maybe "mentoring can't solve this" and I don't even deserve to be in main space? Glad to hear you're "not bothered by the repeat". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think you should feel free to make these edits. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Have now adjusted. Thanks for your constructive help and support, which is always much appreciated. Not sure I yet feel as free as Roger did in Tommy, but still. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC) (...as Jean-Jacques Burnel from The Stranglers once said, "Wikiman is born free, and everywhere he is in chains". "sob")Reply

Looks like we disagree on something. I understand your point about this event occurring 11 years ago but I feel like when we state, "At the time", that makes the reader think that it no longer is a reliable aircraft. Maybe instead of saying, "At the time, the Boeing 777 had a good reputation for safety", we can rephrase it to, "The safety record of the Boeing 777 was favorable then and continues to be so". Eliminating the sentence completely might also be a way to end this conflict. CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 20:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Creator. Thanks for your note. The first part is fine, but the second part looks like editorial commentary, tending towards promotion. Best to discuss at Talk:Asiana Airlines Flight 214 as it's very likely other editors may want to consider and possibly comment? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ok. I will copy and paste my claim in the article's talk page and I’ll mention you. CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 01:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks. I have commented over there. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I wonder if the articles should now treat OJ Simpson "officially" as the killer of Goldman and Brown, going by the overwhelming consensus of reliable sources in serious, in-depth scholarship and journalism. I have raised the discussion on Simpson's talk page.92.17.198.220 (talk) 20:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Who knows. OJ's not gonna tell us. But..... why me? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I just presumed that you would know about it a lot, particularly as it is a controversial case and a huge crime one. If you don't, I am sorry. It is just that you were so helpful with the Savile discussions that I thought you could be able to help in some way. Sorry about confusion. 92.17.198.220 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

No worries. Thanks or asking. Alas, I know very little. I watched clips of the car chase on TV and I decided there and then he was probably guilty. Gloves or no gloves. So maybe a bit biased. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
(talk page watcher) It's pretty obvious that he was the actual killer, but as a matter of WP policy, the content should present it as attributed, such as "according to [cited source], Simpson was the real killer." The fact remains that he was acquitted in the criminal trial. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
"... don't look any further" (Warning: features the actual trial gloves) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC) haha, always makes me laugh. still got my original vinyl 12", I'll have you know!Reply

I am probably over fussy on this point, but I wouldn't consider this "tweak" [5] to meet the very strict criteria at WP:MINOR. Regards, Jonathan A Jones (talk) 14:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Would you like me to self-revert? Or self-revert and re-add as a non-minor? I didn't think the wording "saying she had told authorities false information" was very good, so I thought I was just making a simple improvement to grammar. But having looked again at The Telegraph source, are you able to pin down this phrase to something there? As I am not even sure that I can. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
No objection to the edit: just an 'in principle' thing. And not so egregious that I think a self revert is necessary: just a shot across the bows. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 15:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
No worries. But is it a valid reflection of the source? Is it even needed? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Or you could just cancel any Talk page discussion as "off topic", of course. Some editors might be "howling" if you did. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello Martin! Yes, quite. Is this documented somewhere? It is driving me redacteding nuts where people who were excellently taught in high school, and I am not being sarcastic there, get on a mission to "correct" stuff in BrE which I believe does not need correcting. I see it so much; it's fine in AmE, sure; it seems to me to be a redacteding horrible overcorrection in BrE. Is it a known and recognized issue? It's a bit like the "that and which" thing which I think is another one where the rules are not the same across the Atlantic.

Or, another option ... I am simply wrong! Wouldn't be the first time. Will not be the last time. Helppppp! DBaK (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

In, American, English, it seems, the more commas, the better, and, one can, use them, as much as, one might, possibly, want to. I had a recent rant at Talk:David Černý#Punctuation (where it hasn't even been agreed which Engvar applies!!) But note that User:SMcCandlish, who is very knowledgeable on MOS, says: "Commas really are not a MOS:ENGVAR matter." I'm still quite confused. (No change, there, then). AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!! etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oops, thanks ... started reading that, suddenly had strong urge to take some paracetamol and have a nice little lie-down. I'm not absolutely sure that it's not Engvar, but I do get it that SMC knows rather a lot more than I do. Aargh indeed. Aargh, indeed. In 2024 I went aargh. In 2024, I went aaargh ... DBaK (talk) 17:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Something that is Engvar: it's paracetamol over there, but acetaminophen here in the colonies. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Q. Where did all the jungle commas go? A. The parrots ate 'em all. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
This keeps coming up, so I guess I'll rough-draft an essay here. A bit disorganized and too long, but it's a start. Nothing is an ENGVAR matter unless it can be shown with reliable sources (on English usage in particular) that something, such as the spelling of colo[u]r, is a consistently documented, invariant rule found more or less universally across a particular variety of English. There actually aren't a whole lot of these points, given the size of the language. (I cannot remember a case of a punctuation matter being one of them, with the sole and very well-documented exception of dropping of "." from contraction abbreviations in British English when the short form begins and ends with the same letters as the full word: "Dr", "St", "Ltd", but "Prof.", "Co." Some news publishers and many bloggers often do it also to the truncation abbreviations, but this is directly countermanded by all British academic style guides and even several of the news ones.) MOS:COMMONALITY is really far more important: it's an actual reader-facing goal, while ENGVAR is little more than an internal dispute-avoidance mechanism. Also important are WP:NOT#BLOG and WP:NOT#NEWS (in particular: "Wikipedia is not written in news style"). A subjective feeling one might have that an uncodified practice might lean one way in one country but the other way in a different place doesn't qualify as an ENGVAR matter, or we'd spend most of our time engaged in pitched ENGVAR-themed "style battles" that mostly could never be objectively resolved. Fighting about such things is what MoS is trying to prevent not encourage. Comma usage varies primarily by publication type, with journalism, marketing, and blogging dropping as many as possible (and more than is actually practical) while academic writing uses many more of them for clarity and precision, especially since most such writing requires communicative precision and has an international audience (as does WP of course, on both counts). Encyclopedic writing is a form of academic writing or at least at the fuzzy border of it.

If one is approaching WP from an "I want to delete every single comma I can possibly get away with removing", then one is not approaching encyclopedic writing with the most appropriate mindset. (Same goes if one's approach is "I want to write as traditionally [insert country adjective here] as possible, according to my perception." MoS's worst disrupter of all time was one of those, though an American-supremacist in that case.) The sensible goal of encyclopedic writing is communicating as effectively as possible to the largest audience (and WP really has the broadest audience in history). We simply don't have a goal of getting maximum possible concision at all costs (WP:NOT#PAPER is also relevant in that regard, and frequently cited against attempts to force unnecessary and unhelpful concision/compression/abbreviation/omission of various kinds). The WP:Use common sense approach is to include any comma by which immediate comprehensibility is improved, even if only slightly and even if only for a subset of readers. It is always going to be the case that encyclopedic writing has more commas in it – still, even after one or another of you denudes it of commas that you don't prefer – than some subset of our readers would like to see. This is a given, since various of the youngest more-or-less-adult users of our language would prefer none at all; their terrible writing can be seen all over social media, usually also missing apostrophes and other punctuation as well as capital letter. The use of a comma after introductory phrases is simply clearer formal writing (instead of marketing or, increasingly, news-style hyper-compression). The sort of writing that drops commas like mad is designed for two things: to be output as fast as possible (to meet news deadlines or for speed of e-content firehosing), and to be as skimmable for keywords as efficently as possible (a goal of advertising, social-media posting, and most journalism, since such material is rapidly eye-scanned by most readers, only for a few seconds, and not read in any detail unless something very firmly grabs someone's attention). Many fiction writers (regardless of nationality) also drop a lot of commas, the more so the more they are trying to ecapsulate casual and contemporary spoken English in their dialogue writing; and of course fiction is also generally read at a fast rate. Encyclopedic material is usually read in some detail and requires more mental parsing (even if we now have user-study proof that readers will navigate to sections of interest rather than read whole articles top-to-bottom in most cases). We take pains to be precise and clear, down to any possibility of misleading nuance or incorrect inference, or even just clumsy structure that forces some readers to struggle to parse it.

It has nothing to do with Americans or North Americans in particular [I learned to read and write in Oxfordshire, as an anecdotal aside], and dropping of the comma you don't like is frequent in American advertising and American newswriting, just as such omission is found in the same sorts of material in the UK and elsewhere. The retention of that comma makes for clearer parsing (by all readers, the more so the more complex or potentially ambiguous the construction), which is why it is more often retained in academic writing regardless of country (though over 100,000 academic journals in publication today, it is not difficult to find some academic material that leans toward journalism levels of comma dropping). Maybe more to the real point here, the presence of a comma in "According to Smith, [claim here]" or "In March 2017, Jones [did whatever]" or "Leaving Alexandria, McNabb moved to [wherever]" is understood by 100% of English readers and there is no dialect in which they are an error. That is, it confuses no one, is mis-parsed by no one, has demonstrable benefits for some (many, actually), and has no cost other than a tiny glyph. Without those commas, the third is easily misparsed as a woman's name "Alexandria McNabb", and the first could easily have a similar effect depending on what came after "Smith" (e.g. "According to Smith Taylor & Francis [did something]"). While the middle example isn't likely subject to such "I had to go back and re-read this sentence again to make any sense of it" problems, the same construction should be used consistently (especially since dropping the comma in one case is apt to confuse various well-meaning people into going on a deletion rampage to enforce a much less helpful consistency in the opposite direction.

Misc. side points: Comma usage also varies noticeably across time, with far more commas (often downright weird ones that serve no apparent purpose) being used typically in Victorian to c. 1920s writing than later, and somewhat fewer used today than around maybe the 1970s. But there is a limit to which commas can be excised without significantly sacrificing clarity, especially to readers who are not 100% fluent (and an argument can be made that this limit was already reached in typical academic writing by around the 1990s at the latest; material from that era reads exactly the same as papers published today, but material from a generation or so earlier is quite different in various ways, and a generation back further it's downright ponderous and often pompous). PS: In my quite frequent reading of 19th-century source material, I find that the former excessive use of commas, of the sort Martin exaggerates above for humour, actually was prevalent more in British than American works of that era. It's also notable that the serial comma (a different comma that some people don't like, and about which people make incorrect ENGVAR claims all the time, and contradictory ones) is nicknamed both Oxford comma and Harvard comma, because it's not particular to either national dialect but to an academic register. I think much of what is going on here, as with some British editors' attempts to get WP to use "eg" and "ie", is an incorrect belief that what they see in various British newspapers, the ones with a style of typographic hyper-compression, is "British style" when it is actually the style of a few British news publishers, and is actually contrary to the advice in major British style guides, which lean more toward academic English, as does the American Chicago Manual of Style. However, this has gotten a bit muddled with the increasingly excoriated Waddingham edition of New Hart's Rules and Butterfield edition of Fowler's Modern English Usage, both of which injected a bunch of "let chaos reign" excessive descriptivism, often failing to actually be style guides at all, by declining in many cases to recommend anything specific any longer when presented with conflicting usages attestable in various recent-ish British publcations, but without regard to publication type/register/genre/audience, or quality/reputation, or editorial control level (which matters more and more with every passing year with the "internetification" of news leading to more direct pushing of content straight from journalists, often foreign contractors, direct to news websites with less and less any editorial supervision, and what little of it remains devoted almost entirely to avoiding factual blunders not to enforcing style; this is why the typo rate in even the most high-profiles newspapers/sites has shot up by an order of magnitude in the last decade or so). These mid-2010s versions of those "style guides" are engaging in a form of false equivalence, treating every occurrence of every variation as if equally preferable/utilitarian. But since those crap volumes came out (and MoS is not based on them in any way, but on the previous 2000s editions), there has been a notable uptick in attempts to get WP to write like UK news writing in particular, in a number of ways, based on untenable ENGVAR claims. It's much like claiming that the often stylistically weird writing of The New York Times and The New Yorker "is" American English, when in reality it's nothing but similar in-house style preferences of two particular commerical entities (in large part for "brand identity" reasons), which don't even have entirely American ownership, staffing or readership. That's all (substituting in the word "British") usually true today of the major UK-headquartered news publishers. PS: I find it curious that DBaK above is complaining about supposedly un-British writing yet used "recognized" with a "z". If that's a deliberate choice to use (or a habit of using) Oxford spelling, then the same preferences would also imply acceptance of both the serial comma and the comma after introductory clauses, since they're also favoured by OUP.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Is "In 1990" an "introductory clause", or just the first two words of a sentence? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well, it's unquestionably the first two words, although those first two words do a different kind of work than do "Well, it's". I just looked at our page on clause, and it made me want to say AARGH (although we might want to check with Santa, or maybe Mrs. Clause, about what to make of it). So I think "In 1990" serves some sort of introductory role at the start of a sentence, but it's one where there is no absolute logical basis for saying that it is, or isn't, just the first two words. Consequently your edit at the Annie Lennox page is a matter of personal preference, rather than absolute right or wrong. I debated whether or not to put a comma after "Consequently". Would have been OK to do so, but not required, so I deferred to what I would guess you would prefer on your talk page.
I think that SM's explanation is an excellent one, and I particularly like the part about "Alexandria, McNabb". Looking at your edit at the Lennox page, none of the comma removals raises such a problem, so I think that your edit was equally "right" as would have been not making the edit at all.
As you know, I'm half American and half human, and I think the commas in this sentence are for the better. Personally, I usually do put a comma after "In 1990" and the like. Eng-var or not, if EEng were in this discussion, he'd say you were a comma chameleon. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
"In [timeframe or place]," is one of English's stock introductory dependent (also called subordinate) clauses, along with "According to [source],", "If you ask [name or pronoun]," "Until/After/Before/While/etc. [condition]," and a zillion others. Nothing mysterious about it. Any linguist (or English teacher for that matter, and most of them are not linguists by training but have degress in education and/or literature) will tell you this is a dependent clause. The "It's" in "It's going to rain" is not a clause at all; it's an integral part of the independent (and main, and only) clause that forms the sentence. The "Well, it's" in "Well, it's raining" isn't a clause unto itself; rather, "Well[,]" in this construction (versus something like "I don't feel well" or "My cousin fell down the well" or "They performed well") is also an introductory dependent clause of the same sort we've been talking about (note the typical comma after it), albeit a short one; while the "its" there is again not a clause of any kind unto itself but just a fragment of the independent clause "it's raining". The "As you know[,]" above is another introductory dependent clause; some would write that (and many or even all the rest of them) without the comma after the depenedent clause, but this is not demonstrably helpful to anyone, and is demonstrably unhelpful to many, because it makes the sentence structure harder to parse without having to re-read it and think about what the intended meaning was.

There are some dependent clauses (strings of words that are cohesive semantic units but which do not stand on their own as sentences) which never take a following comma; these usually have "which" or "that" after them (in that role, technically a relative impersonal pronoun but acting semantically as a form of conjunction, though even linguists of English will debate about such definitions). E.g.: "I think that Jenny is too tired to go out"; note how "I think that, Jenny is too tired to go out" would be an error in all dialects (though it's actually a pretty common error among inexperienced writers). The "Jenny is too tired to go out" part is obviously an independent clause (can stand on its own as a sentence), and "I think that" is not a necessary fragment of it (like "It's" is in "It's raining now"), and it does not form a valid sentence on its own. [Well, not with the intended meaning. If I ask "Do you think this, or that?", perhaps pointing to two options on a chalkboard, you could grammatically answer "I think that", probably will stress on the final word, and purely a pronoun use of "that", without a conjunctive function.] So, it is necessarily a dependent clause (and an introductory one); it just happens to be in a form in which commas are not conventional (anywhere, ever). However, "I think Jenny is too tired to go out" is something different; it's two independent clauses ("I think" and "Jenny is too tired to go out" are both valid sentences); there, it's probably two loosely coordinated ind. clauses. [However, the relationship might depend on meaning/emphasis: "I think Jenny is too tired to go out", versus what you think about it, is a different sentiment, with the first part as the main clause, from "I think Jenny is too tired to go out", versus Andrew's energy level, and so on.] That/which/who[se] can also be used to form relative or adjectival clauses, and when/while/before/after/since/until/where/wherever/how/as/like/etc. can be used to form adverbial clauses, but we needn't get into that here.

PS: Some other one-word introductory dependent clauses that generally need commas (despite an example existing in this discussion without one) are "However," "Thus," "Ergo," and "So," (in the thus/ergo sense). If the comma is dropped, the meaning can markedly change: "However, my lost dog found his way home" is a sentence meaning that the dog found his way home and that this is being contrasted with a previous statement like "I accidentally left my dog at the park". But "However my lost dog found his way home" is a sentence fragment indicating "Through whatever means by which my dog found his way home ...". Likewise: "So, your cat won't be lonely" is a sentence meaning "Thus/ergo, your cat won't be lonely" following on some previous statement that purports to lead to this conclusion ("When cat-sitting for you, I'll come over for an entire hour every day"); meanwhile, "So your cat won't be lonely" is a fragment meaning "For the reason/purpose/goal of your cat not being lonely," after which would follow something related to this idea, like "I'll come over for an entire hour every day when cat-sitting for you." In both second cases, the phrases are introductory dependent clauses and should have commas: "However my lost dog found his way home, I'm so glad he's back." An argument can be made that the commas in introcuctory "Thus," and "Ergo," are not strictly necessary since such ambiguity is not usually available with those particular words (though "thus" has some nearly-obsolescent alternative uses like "place it thus", and common mid-clause usage like "... it is thus desirable to ..."). But as noted above, if the comma on an introductory dependent clause that typically takes a comma (i.e. doesn't end with "that" or "which") is omitted in one case "just because you can get away with it" in some particular contextual instance, this is likely to wrongly signal to someone that they should edit the material to strip out all of them "to be consistent", often with results that are directly detrimental to reader experience. It is better to just use them consistently in this kind of writing, both to give readers more clarity and consistency, and to prevent editorial actions that are at cross purposes to each other (or to one another, if you like that phrase better). In this project, we have to keep both numerous readers and numerous other writer-editors in mind, which I suppose is rather unusual.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

How did SMcC know I was aiming for "MoS's worst disrupter of all time"? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Heh. You have long way to go to reach that level! It was something to behold.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sheesh, and I thought I was ranting. But SMcC is on a higher plane, isn't he. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Cut my teeth on a decade of BBSes and Usenet back in the day. And I type faster than professional secretaries.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I almost get what you said, Stanton. If only you'd used a few more commas... Martinevans123 (talk) 07:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have to admit, commas do make things a bit more exciting... --ARoseWolf 11:16, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I was enthralled by Stanton's essay. I'm not sure I could stand any more excitement... Martinevans123 (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ikr, it was so big and full of thrilling punctuation. And the wikilink to Oxford spelling at the end was so, ahh, dreamy. --ARoseWolf 11:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Indeed. I was perilously close to being thoroughly overtaken by an attack of the vapours. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Fear not; I always keep a vial of smelling salts in the watch pocket of my waistcoat.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
 
Infinite split. --Trypto-filet-of-fish

I see you've reverted my edits. Can you provide any evidence that Andy, Owen etc are English despite the sources saying otherwise? DanielTokenhouse (talk) 14:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, that's right. I found your one new source wholly lacking. Best to discuss at those respective Talk pages, I'd suggest. But I think the onus is on you to provide actual WP:RS sources that they are "Irish". Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

An aphorism tailor-made for Wikipedia editors? With or without the wiki quotation marks, one of his best, maybe even the best? Made No 6 on the US RnB chart and was only beaten, by "A Real Mother for Ya", some 15 years later, even without a solo. Just supremely wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

And he was still playing it in his set, 15 years later, at Onkel Pö´s Carnegie Hall Hamburg, (with some very tasty brass)... but still with no solo! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Martin, you've been mentioned at Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy#Use of user talk page while blocked, doesn't look like you were pinged. That is a spinoff from a now-closed discussion at WP:AARV here, don't know if you were aware of that one either. Thanks for the ping about Harry Dunn, but I have no memory of that discussion so don't think I'll be much help. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you P-K3 for that kind courtesy. If User:XMcan wishes to me respond, I can do. I'm quite happy to elucidate on the circumstances of my own Talk page at that time. Including the wholly mistaken notion that I was requesting proxy edits from other editors. But the most relevant commenters would probably be the blocking admins. However, I really don't think any comments from me would help matters very much over there. It seems to have been quite a huge amount of fuss over a 24 block. I would have to agree, though, that practice on TPA varies greatly from case to case. Regarding the Harry Dunn page, yes it was a single comment over four years ago! I only pinged you as DeFacto was suggesting I might be vote-stacking. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
User:Serial Number 54129 similarly. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Martin; I can't remember the precise discussion now, but rest assured I was not advocating against what you were doing/or advocating for stronger measures (I believe TPA is pulled far too frequently, personally, whether it means to or not generally leaving the impression that access is pulled because an admin just can't be arsed to deal with it. Which is, I think, a) very poor and b) very common. To clarify, my use of you as an example was purely incidental to the main thrust of my argument: that Thryduulf was completely wrong and, more to the point, already knew it. Sorry for the confusion. (Actually a better example might have been Gerda and that Francis fella, come to think of it.) Cheers! ——Serial Number 54129 14:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
just curious if I should know what this is about, SN? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi Serial. Thanks so much for the rapid reply and explanation. No worries. If you remember, in my own case, I had no argument with the original block, and tried to make that clear from the start. But then I had to appeal against, what I saw as, a "drive-by" admin revocation of my TPA, which occurred (as far as I was aware) without any discussion at all with the original blocking Admin. If my appeal email to that new Admin had not been published, then I think it's 99% certain I would not be here now. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
In case you haven't seen it, I think the misimpression at the block policy talk page has been cleared up. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the note. I had not seen that. I'm very grateful to those editors, including yourself, who have explained what happened. Many, if not most, of my posts, were replies to other editors asking for information or making helpful suggestions. As I said at the time, not being able to edit any other page than one's Talk page, is extremely stressful. Maybe it's purposely designed to be so. But it might be an idea, in some cases, if Admins could allow access to perhaps one or two nominated articles and/or article talk pages, in addition, to allow a blocked editor to demonstrate that they have understood the block and collaborate with other editors. But of course this might be beyond the technical capabilities of the project and/or might require too much Admin time to organise. Who am I to offer advice to anyone. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

RIP Mike Pinder. Now gone. The days before Ray Thomas looked like an Italian waiter on acid. Some very groovy dancing going on here. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

"The Best Way to Travel" - from Colour Me Pop (14 September 1968). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
... and RIP Duane Eddy: Peter Gunn (saxophone: Steve Douglas) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Martinevans123:, Would you be interested in joining Draft:WikiProject food and drink industry in EnglandChefBear01 (talk) 19:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Is there any free wine involved? [7] Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
For a second I thought that said Cheese. --ARoseWolf 20:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
In fact yes, it's John Cheese. (... just put me down for a small Stinking Bishop, would you) Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Don't forget the crackers. --ARoseWolf 20:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Make mine non-vegan. --Hives, the butler (talk) 20:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Don't tell Tryp. Rainbow is my favorite. --ARoseWolf 20:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Do they even fit in the bag?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I promise not to tell. [8]. (But tell me if there is any free booze!) --Tryptofish (talk) 23:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Martinevans123:, there are currently 14 related articles with more potentially needed.ChefBear01 (talk) 22:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Martinevans123:, @ARoseWolf: @Tryptofish:, please add your name to the list in Draft:WikiProject food and drink industry in England if you are interested.~~ ChefBear01 (talk) 20:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, ChefBear01, for your very kind invitation. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ChefBear01, thank you for the invitation. I'm afraid I would be of little use to a wikiproject about food and drink in England. About the only English food I know is fish and chips because we also have that in Alaska. Well, we have pubs here too. --ARoseWolf 19:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Not forgetting our great British baking... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC) And Chefbear, I do need to declare a national bias here.Reply
Perhaps you are biased about rabbits, as well? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:16, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, boyo. And for Crimbo, we all love a horse's head on a pole. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Who you callin' boyo? And did you just call Jimbo a criminal? --Tryptofish (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'd recommend "One Spliff a Day". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC) [9]Reply
Yes, and cheers to food and drink! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC) Reply
Of course, nothing wrong with the small variety. Don't want to appear sizeist! [10] Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Martin! I am not sure why, but I thought that this might amuse you. Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ah yes, St Jory. I know it well! Often have a few days away there, and often pop into the old "Barleycorn" for a few jars! Safe bruh! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I do hope that you have not been involved in any dodgy goings-on, assisting Scottish policemen into large wicker figures, and the like. One can take these local citizenship initiatives a little too far … DBaK (talk) 14:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
"This is a local pub, for local people!" Martinevans123 (talk) 14:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC) (... local honey also available)Reply
Nasty!!!! I'm off for a little nap now till I feel better. DBaK (talk) 21:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Let's face it, DBaK, you've got what it takes, baby! Mmmmmmmm, swingin'. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC) ... what a truly, truly wonderful record that is.Reply
Great track! DBaK (talk) 22:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Recorded in the same session as that one, which is almost as good. **kiss-kiss** lol Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC) "Benton's beautifully poised melodic weaving is the perfect compliment to Washington's sassy and punchy delivery. The playful strings and toe-tapping rhythm section keep the whole thing moving in a gentle rock-a-bye groove!!"Reply

Gobshite's article is now live. Thanks for the copyedits yesterday. Ceoil (talk) 18:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Didn't realise there were so many! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
If you ask me there are too many. He is surely the primary topic - both a farmer "and" singer, with connections in Kildare.Ceoil (talk) 19:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
 
story · music · places

On the bicentenary of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, I remember our recent uplifting choral concert in pictures, on my user page and in my concerts (leading to the two at the church's article). The closest was in the paper. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Today is the Feast of the Ascension for which Bach composed his oratorio, - perhaps watch a bit how the closing movement was performed in Bach's church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Magdalena Hinterdobler is on the Main page today, together with an opera that reviewers deemed not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, - listen and see. - Also on the Main page: a TFA by sadly missed Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

did you listen and see? - today's story has a pic of a woman holding her cat, a DYK of 5 years ago - the recent pics show 2 orange tip butterflies --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Amazing. That ceramic cat looks real to me! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
real: yesterday's story remembered an oratorio world premiere I was in, conducted by the composer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I heard lovely chamber music today, and the DYK mentions "profoundly human" singing (that you can watch), connected to a place where we'll sing in September --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I liked seeing Erschallet, ihr Lieder on the Main page today, 310 years after the first performance! We sang it in 2000. Today's program was easier but also spirited. I found a nice video of "I will sing with the spirit", with nature photography, - enjoy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. - There's a cute yt of a family concert in the singer's article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today's story about Willi Brokmeier still needs support for RD, - don't miss 1972 video ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see he's now made it there. There's a video?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
in my story - almost always this year, btw --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
(now it is, sorry) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sorry for intruting. I clicked on your page by accident and noticed we have the same birthday :). Don't know why I felt to share that, hah. I guess the coincidence struck me. 95.168.120.7 (talk) 22:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Shame you don't have a User page, or an account. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today's story is my little contribution to Trinity Sunday, with a church named after the Trinity (which I'd have liked to see pictured, and what would be a good description of that kind of facade? "splendid" was reverted as not neutral) and a cantata Bach conducted 300 years ago for the occasion (having composed it 9 years earlier). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well, it looks quite splendid to me. As a child I had always thought the words for "Holy, Holy, Holy! Lord God Almighty" were "God in three parsons"! It's not about this Holy Trinity, is it ... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. Contrast: 29 May 1913: The Rite of Spring - today's story, actually something I saw at that place in a revival, literally "down to earth". - Do you remember the infobox discussion 100 years after the premiere, often mentioned in the arbcase? - Today a user who returned after several years said that nothing changed. Would you agree? I wouldn't ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
What a very bizarre suggestion at Joseph Haydn! It might have taken me seven or eight years to dream up that one... Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think it's a great satire ;) - Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
last offer in May: photos of the river Rhine, and the adjacent Eltville rose garden, - high water and interesting weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Martin, in reply to this comment: the blocking policy is that obviously helpful changes should stand, but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert. In cleaning up, I left improvements such as updates to which mayor had been elected, grammar, etc. This is a pretty clear-cut instance, in my view, where the presumption should be to revert the sock. Cambial — foliar❧ 11:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I see. Perhaps there was lots of ambiguity. I had no idea there were changes "to which mayor had been elected." But I'm not sure, anyway, how I would judge whether the sock's changes were "obviously helpful". Some seemed biased, but others were just factual, even if UNDUE. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
You were replying to DeFacto at that Talk page, or to both of us? I'd say your efforts to show very clearly at the talk page, what had been added by the sockpuppet, were laudable. But I can appreciate DeFacto's frustration when another editor arrives and dumps out what has taken some considerable effort to agree on, albeit unwittingly involving a sockpuppet. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
My reply at article talk was to DF; my reply to you is here because your comment referred to non-content policy. Cambial — foliar❧ 12:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for explaining. Content and non-content are kinda interlinked, aren't they. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
 

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Thank you so much, 4theloveofallthings. I may just bury this copy. But if I do, I won't tell which day I did it. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
LOL 4theloveofallthings (talk) 12:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think this may be a NOTHERE editor. Doug Weller talk 08:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, that looks very likely, given the Nazi-like edit summaries and the "UNIVERSAL TRUTH" on their User page. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Those tear-jerking highlights in full.....

A whole pattern [11] of bad behavior from numerous admins portrays a picture of how bad faith behavior from admins is covered up by other admins in the same manner the police is "protecting their own". Several admins are disrupting that page for years. The whole chronological order is nearly impossible to reconstruct because of their disruption. Impossible to imagine, but for years this is being discussed... [12] 95.168.118.16 (talk) 11:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

You seem keen to spread this particular sh!tshow far and wide. Good job that article's not on my watchlist anymore. Good luck with the coup, but count me out, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's funny 😁 . Nah, it's a mini coup, I just noticed it by accident. I don't actually have anything against them, they spent half their day on Wikipedia doing admin stuff, I come once or twice a year. They deserve to to have it a little their way now and then. Although, they do act like their above others, full of objectivity and integrity. I'm just letting them know that it's not unnoticed. I also left Tesla article a long time ago, but every so often I come to see what's happening. It's a total mess there. Those 3 have been arguing for years about one sentence in the article , and they actually agree about everything. Stupid beond comprehension.
Let me ask you something unrelated. On your page you wrote that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crime against humanity and it should be prosecuted. Could you elaborate? Because, you know, war is not a crime in international law. I can tell you how the international law labeled the wars in former Yugoslavia. Basically, all warring is ok as long as no crimes are done, and that's it. So, who do you think should be prosecuted? 95.168.107.6 (talk) 21:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
In my mind the distinction between war and crime in a very blurred one, in any case. The idea that two teams of professional soldiers can simply line up against each other on the "battlefield" and fight it out, in a manly way, face to face, without any civilian collateral damage, is a very old-fashioned and outdated one. The medieval-minded Putin has shown that he has no regard whatsoever for the protection of civilian life. His soldiers have committed countless war crimes and atrocities. His invasion of Ukraine, and his continued bomb, missile and drone attack on the Ukrainian people and infrastructure, has no legitimate justification and is predicated on lies and nationalistic fantasy. Since March 2023 Putin has had an arrest warrant issued against him. The International Criminal Court says this: "Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, born on 7 October 1952, President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute)." This afternoon he performed an aerial bombardment of a supermarket in Kharkiv: [13]. You talk about a "shitshow"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm telling you, courts in former Yugoslavia and international courts deal with it constantly. About two armies fighting aways from civilians. This wasn't the case in modern warfare. US's policy is to do everything that's possible to minimize civilian cazualites, if I'm correct, not to avoid them. Unfortuately, it's not possible to wage a war without civilan cazualties. Now that Russia has taken over the territory, if Ukraine is to liberate with a military action, cazualities will happen. What would be your opinon in that case, because , I'll tell you right now. Someone in Russia will say that Ukraine is starting an unlawful war and pretty much the same as you are saying now. We don't even have to imagine. I think the same thing happened in Croatia. Serb forces took over territory and Croatia started a military action to liberate the land in 1995. Crimes had happened, a lot of civilians left their homes and today in Serbia they are calling that Military action a war crime...Will Ukraine's military action be a war crime if it happens. Because, be sure that civilians will get hurt if Russia will defend the cities. I completely agree about Putin, that Russia's to blame here...I'm just sorry the law won't see it that way, at least hasn't in former Yugoslavia. Don't expect anyone to be prosecuted because of waging war, and most cazualites are because of the war, not war crimes. Not only civilians, I'm counting soldiers , and not only the dead one's, but injured, or the ones that will end up with PTSP and their families. Unfortunately, for all that there is no law that will prosecute Putin and if his only "mistake" in the law sense is that deportation of children (and I really doubt that they would prosecute him over that, he would return the children and they would say, yeah, that's all we wanted with that charge and would just withdraw it). It doesn't feel right by me...Don't believe the courts and the law, nothing will get solved. To be frank, I'm not the one who thinks "people are good but politics makes bad decisions". I'm far more bothered when I see an old lady on TV supporting the war than Putin. I know, starting this topic, the "sh!tshow" seems so...I don't know the word, pointles. Cheers. 95.168.120.7 (talk) 22:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
12 dead in a crowded DIY hardware store in Kharkiv I'm pretty sure Zelenskyy isn't planning to invade Russia. He's just asking for more air defences. Putin belongs in prison. Thanks for sharing your views. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yeah I saw. Terrible. What's worst is that people somehow get used to it...as it's just another day in Ukraine. You know, Putin if he had won (or if he wins), he would be hailed as a great leader and so on...I don't know if you are famliar with this channel [14], but It's sad what some people are saying. What's for them to gain from supporting this war? I'll never understand that. 95.168.116.15 (talk) 20:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ah, hang on, I know, best idea for UK.... let's Bring Back National Service!! That'll teach those teenage snowflake millennials! One weekend every month they can help spend those £350M a week Brexit savings... and help build those 40 new hospitals. And learn how to use a machine gun! Errr, but hang on, war... what is it good for? I just remembered. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Nah, its a mini coup. I think this is one of those. Basically, all warring is ok - Possibly the dumbest thing I have seen written on Wikipedia this year. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I know.... let's blame the victim. And then let's blame them some more, for something in the future, that they have no intention of doing. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:16, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
No one will be prosecuted for warring. No one was ,in all wars in former Yugoslavia. Croatia started prosecuting people for armed rebellion and had to proclaim abolition. Only war crimes are prosecuted. Same at ICTY. Don't think Putin will be prosecuted for warring. I think there's a widespread campaign of targeting civilians, and that maybe will get prosecuted, if the situation changes so he is extradicted to international courts, but seeing how many people in Russia are supporting the war, I'm sceptical. 95.168.116.15 (talk) 22:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
This user still believes the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a crime against humanity and should be prosecuted. If this hasn't ever happened before, it's time that international law was changed. But prosecution of Putin for war crimes would also be a welcome outcome, just like Radovan Karadžić and Slobodan Milošević. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
So that's your third IP geolocating to Croatia? I see that your first one got blocked for six months. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, they blocked that one from which I posted the report. My edit was disruptive, pinging so many people. I wouldn't do it, but they deleted the ANI report, as if nothing I wrote matters because I'm disruptive. I hope that they talked internally at least and had some introspection. They probably think I'm a sock of that guy that got blocked. They aren't even aware how many people got blocked there. When I was going through all old discussions to compose this list , I was amazed how many people got blocked since then. Even ones with long edit history.
As for Putin, he should be prosecuted for genocide. I'm not an expert here, but I think there's an intent to take over parts (now that they can't take all) of Ukraine and Russify it by changing identiy by force. Children are indoctrinated. People who oppose get killed or prosecuted. Other's are forced to take Russian citizenship, etc. Same as Milosevic and Karadzic, they were prosecuted for genocide. BDW, it's how Russia got so large...95.168.116.19 (talk) 09:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Civilians, including children, are being murdered by Putin, quite regardless of their views. Their views don't come into it. Putin couldn't care less about their views. The orphaned children have been shipped off back to the Motherland, however, to be brought up the correct Russian way. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

RIP Richard Morton Sherman: King of the Swingers.... Martinevans123 (talk) 07:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Well done, Richard Thompson! Still thumping it out after 57 years... "Jealous words, Won’t lie still, In my heart". Martinevans123 (talk) 08:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC) [15]Reply

It looks like you added a review to this album's article that is from a source that is not on this list: Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources. Could you please remove it and then propose it be added if you think it meets the requirements? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for telling me. Tradfolk looks like a reliable online source. And Gavin McNamara "is an English teacher that loves writing about music. Or a music writer that loves teaching English. Definitely one of those. Over the years he's written for lots of people, from the Big Issue (SW) to Metal Hammer and, before teaching, worked in independent music distribution for too many years." But not sure if he gets paid or not. So I've deleted it. Perhaps that source should be discussed. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
To be clear, he doesn't have to get paid for it to be a legit source. Please do propose it if you think it should be added and let me know if you do. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
The guideline says "Specifically, reviews should be written by professional music journalists or DJs, or found within any online or print publication having a (paid or volunteer) editorial and writing staff (which excludes personal blogs)..." And I'm afraid I have no idea about those things, sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It says here, that is has an editor called Jon Wilks who has also been running The Old Songs Podcast. So perhaps it's acceptable? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Could be. I definitely think you should post to WT:ALBUM. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Done Martinevans123 (talk) 11:08, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
So it seems there are other rules.... that both the author and the editor must be seen to be "subject mater experts" who have also appeared in other reliable publications. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

A cautionary tale for all you CB-radio truckers.... well perhaps not all. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Only 55 years ago....! Richard still sounds as good. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

 
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Today's story is about the TFA, by sadly missed Vami_IV. In my support in 2018, I hoped to do justice to Schloss Köthen next - which I will begin today, finally, promised. Its Bachsaal was pictured to begin the year. For more related thoughts and music, look on my talk for 1 June. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Enjoy today's story, related to my topic of the year: 300 years Bach's chorale cantatas, and the first was written for today, - listen to the music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Franz Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of Graham87. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today's story is about an extraordinary biography, Peter Demetz. - I uploaded a few more pics but leave the link, because there's a new one of Graham and his mother who liked it. - I have an WP:ITNN item needing attention, Alexander Lang. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Attention was given, enjoy on the Main page, or today's story --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
or new pics of spectacular weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today's story is about a tune used by Bach and Mozart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today I wanted to write a happy song story, on a friend's birthday, but instead we have the word of thunder on top of it, which would have been better on 2 June, this year's first Sunday after Trinity (mentioned earlier in this thread). The new lilypond - thanks to DanCherek - is quite impressive. As my 2 Jun story said: Bach was fired up. - Today's Main page is rich in music, also Franz Liszt and a conductor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today is "the day" for James Joyce, also for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
"YES", but the new festival for Molly has been on since Thursday! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
p.s. great to see Tony Crows back in action!! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
foxglove in return - sad job today, and only started --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... as if I didn't have her tenor colleague in the noms, without a comment so far --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. As said above, I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought plenty of music sung and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
The image in my DYK story is what I happened to see from my seat in a performance before the festival (with Anna Netrebko in the title role but sold out of course, and the other was possibly the icier Principessa anyway). I recommend the trailer video, with various scenes to the end of the music that Puccini was able to finish before he died in 1924. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for the thankses! I've never been thanked before :) And thanks to you for all the great work you've been doing over at Michael Mosley (broadcaster). AlexGallon (talk) 21:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Cheers mate. All the best. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
 
Post-election Tory Party prediction: Toast!

Ready for that 4th July Election?? You bet!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

And that exciting Reform UK party political TV broadcast analysis in full:
  • 2 of the 6 words were single syllable.
  • Great use of full stops.
  • I thought the telly was broken.
  • It almost picked up in the last 3 seconds.
Martinevans123 (talk) 18:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC) (iPlayer's gonna be extra busy)Reply

If I remove something from my talk page, it is extraordinarily discourteous to put it back. If you want to leave any more messages, they had better start with an apology. 57.133.22.170 (talk) 11:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Looking at the edit history at Neil Parish, over the past 11 days, we seem to have a number of similar edits from three different anon IP addresses:
  • This by 89.207.171.135, "geolocating" to Ile-de-France in France,
  • This and subsequent, by 57.133.22.170, "geolocating" to Lombardia in Italy, and
  • This, by 5.22.238.33, "geolocating" to Arendal in Norway, and now blocked for 6 months as {blocked proxy}.
What a strange set of coincidences? Or a European jet-setter perhaps? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

It appears that you reverted my edits at Compare the Meerkat for citing the Daily Mail. Whilst I see why you did this, the Daily Mail is known to be highly unreliable, there is no ban as you stated to me. In fact there is the quote from the page to linked to that does that 'use as a reference is generally prohibited' but also states ' The restriction is often incorrectly interpreted as a "ban" on the Daily Mail. '

Apologies if my edit summary was misleading. I'm very glad that you have taken the trouble to read that guidance. I think we both agree that the material that was sourced to the DM was not appropriate. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

My main problem is how you dealt with this. It would've been fine if you replaced the source of information and just removed the citation itself. But you chose to revert all changes. I didn't just add that citation. I removed a lot of the useless and non-Wikipedian information that some editors added and restructured parts of that wiki page to make it make more sense and citied other sources and have just had to do that all again. That's all I wanted to say. 62.255.165.34 (talk) 12:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I see that you have now restored all of your other edits, and left out the DM material, in a single new edit. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It has been done: The Mirror also covered the info I needed a source for. I checked and they are not in the deprecated section, so I think they are better to use. 62.255.165.34 (talk) 10:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
 
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The story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen, and perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. - A meeting of two women - the occasion of the cantata - is pictured in our local church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Many thanks for this links, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

3 July is the birthday of Leoš Janáček, and I'm happy I had a meaningful DYK in 2021. It's also the birthday of Franz Kafka, and I uploaded pics from his family's album seen in Berlin. Proud to have had 2 women in green in June, and the third nom is in progress. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Libuše Domanínská, the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, Tamara Milashkina became GA and Lando Bartolini went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in Il tabarro in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to Liberty) up to Calaf in Turandot in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of Brian Boulton and who was a pioneer of a concise infobox in 2013. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

On a friend's birthday - she is pictured on my talk - I have another RD death article that needs reviewing, Martti Wallén. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Pictured on the Main page: Brian's Mozart family grand tour, my story today, and Mozart related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, the bass, and Liana Isakadze, a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Found a bit more. Today's story is about her, which is a sad story in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I remember today Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for RD, Marina Kondratyeva. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

She's on the Main page now. My story today is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was - because of the TFA - about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

She's my story today. What would you suggest for a DYK? Don't miss video ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yesterday I listened in concert to Mozart's Clarinet Quintet, with Sabine Meyer: a delight. - Today's story is about Ruth Hesse, with a pic in the article only, sadly (show your mom, - a profile with closed eyes). I found it difficult to point at a YouTube sample, because yes, her signature roles - the Nurse and Brangäne - exist in great full-length operas with great casts, but hard to find her. - Talking of YouTube: today I was pointed at Elijah by a friend who performed in the concert of the Dessoff Choirs in their centenary year, and I'm quite impressed by samples (beginning and No. 32 where I linked it) - enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11 If that's not enough my talk offers chamber music from two amazing concerts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Just a look at music (on my talk) shows remembrance of three people who died, and creating an article or improving one is all I can do. Three are on the Main page today, and three others planned ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Similarly: Wikipedia:Main Page history/2024 July 30b will have a baritone, a violinist, a composer and a Bach cantata, - almost too much, and the composer's article, Wolfgang Rihm, should be better, help wanted. - Plenty of music on my parents anniversary day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Gerda, you may not have noticed, but Martin has not really contributed to Wikipedia since 18 June; about six weeks absence. The only reason I know this is because I have him on my 'watchlist', as we have colloborated on a couple of Wiki articles in relatively recent times. However, I do not have any idea as to why he has been absent for so long. Martin is normally such a regular contributor. I hope there is a simply explanation but... Just so you are aware. Regards. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:25, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Martin sent me a thank you note 7 July, and it's vacation time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the prompt Derek. Just taking a break. 😄 Martinevans123 (talk) 08:29, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for all the links Gerda. Especially to Les contes d'Hoffmann, which led me, via YT, to Anna Netrebko & Elīna Garanča. Hope all is well with you. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well, thank goodness for that: I had started to worry. On holiday? Anywhere nice? Let us know pre-absence next time, hey, so we can vicariously imagine cool travel destinations, rather than scenarios involving proverbial ditches, etc.? [END: Intrusive demand-mode by inveterate lurker.] Hope all's well; glad to see you around. AukusRuckus (talk) 14:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks so much, Aukus. Yes, I hear East Sussex is lovely at this time of year. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
 
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Yes now that we have a sign of life from you! To answer the question when I'm not around, always just look at the top of my talk, for story and music. Today's story is about the unusual cantata that Bach composed 300 years ago for today's 10th Sunday after Trinity. I am sure that you'll enjoy listening not only to the "surprise" which was a 2011 DYK, but the whole thing, especially No. 6. Under music, you'll see the latest concert (op. 111!), memory of the death of Wolfgang Rihm (leading to expansion of his biography in wonderful collaboration, and to two new articles so far), and the latest service which nicely connects to our latest concert of three Bach cantatas. Enjoy your break! I have a FAC open if you want work, and will nominate the cantata for GA today, promised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Many thanks, Gerda! Rudbeckias looking very nice there. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Martin missed all of the excitement with Huw Edwards. Nice time to take a holiday, though.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today I have two "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of my story, watch and listen, - I like today's especially because you see him at work, hear him talk about his work and the result of his work - rare! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
... and a third, like 22 July but with interview and the music to be played today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extraordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today's story is about education, 10 years OTD after lecturing our founder). Music for today's feast is Monteverdi's, the best concert we ever did (so pictured again on my talk), but it wasn't recorded, substituted with a "Pacific" one that comes with subtitles line by line in Latin and English: I learned something! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks for the update, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! - Sunday story about another of Bach's chorale cantatas, listen (alto aria #3!), as I listened to two impressive very different choral concerts, - music by 16 composers. In the latest cloudy pictures: a hidden deer, a cat and a blaze of a sunset. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Help? My story today is about a woman, nominated for RD but needing support as I write this. A composer died whose article is long and mostly unreferenced. And some articles open for review, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi Gerda. I have made a few minor copyedits at Maryvonne Le Dizès and added from sourced recordings. I'm sure many more could be found. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you - with your help she "made it" just before I went to bed. Goehr work is detailed on the talk. - Interesting animal pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
No worries. My contributions were quite modest. Glad she got there. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today it's Siegfried Lorenz (baritone), on his birthday, nominated for RD. The concerns regarding Goehr are detailed on the talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today is the birthday of Alma Mahler. I believe that Siegfried Lorenz should be mentioned on the Main page among the Recent deaths. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Gerda. I've always been more Konrad. We obviously all need to wade in at Fatman Scoop. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
probably ;) - he appeared! Next needing support: Alexander Goehr --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I didn't understand what the question was. Deb (talk) 14:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Deb. I think Aukus was asking about Welsh morphology. Perhaps a question for the Talk page there. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh, I see. There is some overlap between the articles, and some unnecessary duplication. Deb (talk) 20:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for attempting to understand my ramblings, despite my incoherence, Martin. (You did a pretty good job.) And I'm sorry, I shouldn't have tried to start a discussion that way. Not really the best approach to take (blame my exasperation - which is not anyone else's problem). I appreciate you trying to recruit an expert to help. I will now take it to the more sensible venue, where Deb might weigh in if she would like to. Apologies all round! AukusRuckus (talk) 10:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Please see Talk:Literary Welsh morphology#Links to Welsh morphology, if interested. (I chose that page as the most recently active). Thanks. AukusRuckus (talk) 10:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Note: I speak Welsh almost as fluently as the Donald speaks Swahili. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I suspect that the origin of that description [16] of the archbishop of York is due to the monarch being Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Though I think your phrasing is fine. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 17:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your note Jonathan. I think you are probably right. We'd have to demote Justin too, wouldn't we? And, of course, Charles is not even a real vicar, is he. Although both primates, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
 
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Not an image, but a music sample. Now replaced with a link to full version. Never mind. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Agree. 31.45.225.166 (talk) 18:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Perhaps you're a B-bot sockpuppet? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Doesn't get a mention, as it was really just an album track, but Aretha's 1964 version, from Runnin' Out of Fools, must be one of the best (arranged and conducted by Belford Hendricks). It was released as a Columbia Stereo Seven special 7" but never charted. Speaking of other versions, there have been a quite few. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Martin, I thought I should respond to you: the Bayesian sinking is an interesting topic and the point you raise about fuel and water levels is a relevant one which I have not seen covered elsewhere. If the sinking was due to the boat heeling, rather than hitting rocks, factors include the degree of heel, the duration of heel, the downflooding angle and the angle of vanishing stability. Contributory factors to these in turn include mast height and weight (some masts are carbon fibre rather than aluminium), engine weight, fixed ballast weight, retractable keel weight and position, water and fuel levels and the position and status of apertures e.g. ducts and hatches/ doors and whether they are open or closed. I have seen discussion that Bayesian was more vulnerable to downflooding and less able to right itself than racing yachts, for example. I do not know whether you could model the impact on the angles of varying fuel and water levels.

I am not answering you on the talk page for two reasons: the talk page is supposed to be only for discussion of article changes, not the subject - see notice at the top of the page - and we are not allowed to add original research to the article WP:NOR i.e. we can only add something for which there is an reliable, published source. So, if you wish to add fuel/ water levels to the article as a possible contributory cause of the sinking, you have to find a source for this. Whatever editors believe about it personally is beside the point. I hope this makes sense. Jontel (talk) 12:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Jontel. Many thanks for your very informative note. Yes, I'm aware I might be straying into OR territory over there. I can assure you that personally I could certainly not ".. model the impact on the angles of varying fuel and water levels"! I'm more used to editing aircraft accidents, so I am a bit unsteady on all this... Thanks for all your improvements to the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
 
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And he appeared! What do you think of my short version of the life of Alexander Goehr? Our DYK team would probably want to mention that he worked in a training kibbutz, while I was happy to include a link to an article by Brian Boulton, - we sang the Monteverdi Vespers on 1 September 2019. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Today's story has 3 composers, I couldn't decide for the one on the Main page or the one who didn't make it on his bicentenary, so took both, and the pic has a third. Listen if you have a bit of time. The music, played by the Kyiv Symphony Orchestra in Germany in April 2022, impressed me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Some tunes by the wonderful Herb Alpert on the BBC Proms tonight: enjoy this timeless classic from 1965 (marimba - Julius Wechter). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, lovely! - Happy because my story today is about a Czech mezzo soprano who is mentioned on the Main page on her birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Happier about Bach's cantata on the Main page on its 300th birthday (per calendar), my story! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Gerda. A truly wonderful piece. Here's the Netherlands Bach Society from 2019, with Jos van Veldhoven conductor, Maria Keohane soprano, Tim Mead alto, Daniel Johannsen tenor and Matthew Brook bass. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC) (And great to see Jos sporting his full De Bruyne mullet)Reply
Thank you, and where do you land when clicking on "watch" in my story? - Please add the recording to the article! (or is that canvassing?) Did you see that I opened a talk page thread for calls for collaboration? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Gerda, as you know, I'm far too busy to go clicking on any of your random Easter egg YouTube links! (It would only be canvassing if you asked me to support the addition of a YouTube link to an article you've probably spent a great deal of time and effort creating or improving). So I probably will, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
no idea what you mean by random: the "watch" is a video, and the "listen" an audio of what is described in the story ;) - the videos of the Dutch are usualyy added by User:Buxtehude, but the Swiss (Lutz) are usually also interesting, and have a good license. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Gerda, please don't mislay your sense of humour if you post at my Talk page! I'm the one with the YouTube fixation! 😄 And sincere thanks for all your wonderfully bright musical contributions! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
thank you, I think I missed it this time ;) - An accepted reference for recordings is Muziekweb, - see any recent Bach cantata, while Bach Cantatas and Discogs are not accepted, although Bach Cantatas is for sure the most detailed source about recordings around Bach. - Don't canvass about Herbie! Don't canvass about Herbie!! Don't canvass about Herbie!!! Not even tomorrow! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Three stories related to today in memory, 11 September, 20 July and 20 June, the latter piece of art also pictured on the Main page. - I began Schorlemmer today, more tomorrow. Will not nominate as long as Rebecca Horn is "on". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Nominated anyway, thanking that it usually takes some time to get - attention. I told an admired admin about the situation. El C used to post to ITNN but is rarely active. Of the five regulars, one only edits on weekends, one last on 7 Sep, and the other three only much earlier today. They usually come around towards midnight. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Towards midnight? Ah yes, I should have guessed. Did you know... ... that British bassist Herbie Flowers provided the voice for Darth Vader in the Star Wars films? But he didn't. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
what I needed! - Don't talk about DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
And thank you for your unfailing non-requested support!! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
just don't think I support you ;) - I support a bassist and his music! Perhaps leave a note on the news talk (you need to say that it is about a nom because it's all on one page) that this was ready, and if they don't get their act together they should post him tomorrow. Or can you argue that his death was known only 6 Sep (per dates of death notices)? Then move him to that date. I need sleep now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Congrats! 3 hours into the new day and he appeared! - Today is Schoenberg's 150th birthday! On display, portrayed by Egon Schiele, with music from Moses und Aron, and with two DYK hooks, one from 2010 and another from 2014; the latter, about his 40th birthday, appeared on his 140th birthday, which made me happy then and now again. - See places for a stunning sunrise, on the day Bruckner's 200th birthday was celebrated (just a few days late). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Today a story about one of the people behind the peaceful revolution. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
My story today is about a man who played jazz when it was banned by the Nazis, - you can listen to how they played it later, in the pictured place. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Gerda. Carl Jung?? (No, that was the Swiss one, wasn't it.) Here's Emile from 1985. Superb. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC) (Jo Flinner - electric piano)Reply
Thanks for the tune! Did you read that E. played accordion back then? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I did. What an amazing transition. That track recorded as "Großer Sendesaal, NDR Hannover"? Great atmosphere. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC) (I had only heard of his famous brother until a few years ago)Reply
Did you know that I lived 4 walking minutes from the Sendesaal as a student? Heard Gary Burton? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
A cool, laid-back walk, I hope. Amazing. Yes, I have a prized vinyl copy of Good Vibes, haha! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
You are spreading good vibes, DYK? - story: one of the great singers, places: recent concert from the back of the choir ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ach, lieben Christen, seid getrost, BWV 114, is one of the pieces in my topic of this year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

My story today features a pic I took from my position in the choir, I can also offer varied delightful music, some from Venice, also with pics I took, - note the rose in the clarinet ;) - Do you think we can fill the few missing refs for Benny Golson? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for telling me, Gerda. I hadn't heard. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

This is a heavy-handed revert. There has historically been no requirement to have a source saying "an album has now been released" when it's an uncontroversial detail to change tense. Readers like yourself can navigate to any music store set to where it's midnight in the world on that date to see it's been released. The source states "will be released on 6 September" and it's now 6 September, so wording has been changed to reflect that. Ss112 13:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

There's a simple problem with logic here. A source dated 24 April 2024 can't support a claim for an event on 5 or 6 September 2024. Mr Gilmore may have had every intention of issuing his new album Luck and Strange today. But planned events don't always occur. Even the article for the album itself has no sources which claim that it has been released. And if the intention was for 6 September, that's tomorrow. Wikipedia requires sources to show that events actually happened. If the album has been released, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't find a source that states that. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
If there were some delay, a source would have been published prior to 6 September and an editor would likely have changed the date already. Sources are usually published for well-known music artists delaying their albums. The album had been out in only several countries for two hours when I updated the article. NZ or Australian news sources do not post articles stating that artists have released their album in those territories—this is not a thing that regularly happens. I update text relating to album releases every single week, have done so for years, and nobody has said "we need a new source to state the album is now out otherwise you cannot or should not change the text to say so", even on highly watched pages with experienced editors that regularly edit them. Therefore I have to conclude it is not a held belief that we need a new source to change text to say an album's release has occurred when we already have a source stating a date, no information about a delay is available because there isn't one, and that date has now passed. I even sought the opinion of @Sergecross73: on this matter, who said: "It's not like we require perpetual assurance from an artist or other sources that a release is still on track from its announcement." I couldn't have put it better. The source on the article stated a date, the date passed, the text can be updated. Pretty straightforward. Ss112 16:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wikipedia relies on WP:RS sources. Pretty straightforward. Popcornfud has now added my suggested sources at David Gilmour and at Luck and Strange. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
We had a source. I updated some text to say an event had occurred per the source. Thanks. Ss112 17:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I suggest that any further discussion should take place at Talk:David Gilmour. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

...where doing a Welsh Grade I building Start article may take you. I had no idea that George Melly lived at Scethrog Tower, or that Bruce Chatwin wrote much of On The Black Hill there. KJP1 (talk) 15:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I actually saw George perform at Brecon once. Later that same night I managed to put my car through a hedge, which took the edge off the evening somewhat. Great entertainer. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I imagine the hedge didn't enjoy it either. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sadly not. But I saw it as a very canny investment!! ... enjoy! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC) Reply

RIP Sérgio Santos Mendes (February 11, 1941 – September 5, 2024): Mas Que Nada (with added peas)!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

And the 1966 original "Mais Que Nada" (Lani Hall lead vocal). Cheers! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

RIP Brian Keith "Herbie" Flowers (19 May 1938 – 5 September 2024): And the colored girls go... Martinevans123 (talk) 08:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

... and not forgetting "Rock On" (1973) Martinevans123 (talk) 15:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
... or even "Melting Pot" (1969) ... which was personally very significant (and still is!) Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

The reason why he was not sacked (according to employment law experts) is that the BBC did not want to set off an unfair dismissal lawsuit that led to a payoff for Edwards. When he did resign, the BBC was keen to stress that he had not received a payoff. However, by then he had received a lot of money and a £40,000 pay rise, much to the annoyance of BBC staff and licence payers. Good news video here. ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ah yes, that sort of good news... I was so mad I nearly ripped up my virtual online TV licence!! [17] But thanks, anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
£32 for a TV licence? It's a disgrace! .... It's far too low! With the service the BBC provides, it should be at least £400! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ah yes, I love these old 1960s repeats on BBC 4, don't you? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Legal experts have said that it would be difficult to recover money paid to Edwards after his arrest due to the innocent until proved guilty rule. This is why Tim Davie has said that the BBC might consider suspending staff without pay in the future. And even worse, I have had to burn my Blu-ray disc of Skyfall because it has Huw Edwards in it.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I suspect there are more editions of 10 O'Clock News with Huw than editions of Top of the Pops with Sir Jimmy, Perhaps they could pixelate him out? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ah yes, didn't he leap out of a helicopter with the Queen, armed with a plate of marmalade sandwiches?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Also good for a laugh: Giovanni Di Stefano (aka "one of life's great swindlers") makes legal threats against Wikipedia and Jimbo here. Love the dark glasses, Giovanni.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Mmmmm, Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milošević star clients. Nice. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
And Jonathan King.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Shame he never got a chance to sign up Sir Jimmy.....(as far as we know, of course) Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
 

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Don't you think it might be more constructive to engage in the thread I created at the talk page, instead of slapping on this pointless warning template? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
... oh, and I reverted just two of your edits, on different things, once each. And now I am in an "edit war"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Martin, John Keats already has a footnote section. Could fix the addition?

I hope you are doing well. Anna (talk) 20:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ah, thank you so much, Anna. Fixed now, I hope. Why do I continue to fanny around over there!? Apols. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Fannying around is always welcome. Anna (talk) 18:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Matinees are cheaper! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh so much fannying about Anna (talk) 19:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Take a load off. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
"Hey Bulldog"! (1971) (previously done by some obscure Liverpool boyband) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nice one, Jon! [18].. the sort of story that should be in the news. "Heart to Hang Onto" from Rough Mix (1977). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

A simply brilliant album. "Street in the City". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, Spencer. I'm glad it eventually got posted. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not to boast ... well actually I have very very little about which to boast so whatthehell whatthehell ... but I worked with Herbie on London Youth Opera for the odd week (or two ... mists of memory etc). Due to their weird sprawling network of connections the pro band could contain ludicrously bigtime people as well as smalltime no hopers like me. He was an absolute delight. No bigtime, no side, ridiculously modest about his awesome accomplishments. He was doubling on tuba besides bass and was less comfortable on it, he said, though I thought he was just great. It's a treasured memory that I met and worked with him. DBaK (talk) 09:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Wow, amazing. Thanks for sharing that. Tuba and bass an unusual combination! His article probably ought to mention the number of records that have sampled that Wild Side bass line. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

An example of why he was one of the finest ever boogie-woogie players: "Mac's Boogie" from Dr John Plays Mac Rebennack, 1981, Clean Cuts – CC 705. Just wonderful. Whole album. Just sayin' Martinevans123 (talk) 20:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC) p.s. yes, that's just one piano; yes, that's just two hands...Reply

RIP Benny Golson (1929–2024): "Stablemates", from Benny Golson and the Philadelphians (1958). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

What a great album. Lee Morgan really shines (his one of the most premature and tragic deaths in jazz music). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Golson's article shines better than yesterday, but there's more sparkle in the sources (WP and BR especially). Your turn, I may look again tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Don't look! I might even add something, quietly... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I might add - from BR - that he said that "Whisper not" means ... nothing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
feel --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'd probably choose this one, although adding audio links to musician articles is sometimes frowned upon. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I like to see him playing ;) - I didn't mean for the article, but with a decent license - why not? - I think that he was the second-to-last person of that famous pic should even go to the lead, and some summary of musical style. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, videos are often better. I would agree with both suggestions. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
preview --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Martinevans123. Thanks for your attention to the Repair Shop article. The IP editor (I assume it’s all the same one) seems immune to talkpage messages and the edit summaries we’ve used when reverting the edits. I’ve requested pending changes protection. —-Northernhenge (talk) 21:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

User(s) blocked. 2A02:C7C:B46D:8F00:0:0:0:0/64 x 1 week. --Northernhenge (talk) 06:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, thanks for telling me. Blades has been charged and bailed to appear at Worcester Crown Court on October 11. So we really shouldn't mention it until then. But the press has explained that he is "taking time out" from the show e.g. The Independent (although sourced from the Sun). It also seems that his uncle was killed in March. In an interview with The Independent, Blades said The Repair Shop "saved his life after he secured the presenting gig after an acute mental health crisis and an attempted suicide." Martinevans123 (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Released exactly 47 years ago today. Well, knock me darn wiv a fevver! Exquisitely crafted and economical Chaz Jankel guitar solo, jumping across the stereo channels. Widebrows wonder whether... A great premier... sheer magic. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 30 September 2024 UTC (Wake Up! .. with Wilco)

Stop it! You're making me feel old... It still sounds as fresh as the day it was made. John (talk) 18:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
My exact thoughts entirely. 47 years?? seems only like last week... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
I loved that thing so much. Still do. DBaK (talk) 22:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hampton Wick, Berkshire Hunt; Fraser and Nash, Pony and trap!! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
 
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You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. Sloooow music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply