- Cargolux Flight 7933 (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
Relist Final report released, recommendations to change practices at the airport where the accident happened. This is one of the outcomes listed at WP:AIRCRASH for a stand-alone article. I believe that WP:GNG is already met. Relisting would allow the opportunity to expand the (deleted) article. Mjroots (talk) 08:03, 20 December 2012 (UTC) Mjroots (talk) 08:03, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment WP:AIRCRASH is a wikiproject essay, so carries less weight. I'd note you are mis-stating the recommendations to change practices part which has the additional "that had a wide effect on other airports or airlines or the aircraft industry" which affects the meaning somewhat.
In this situation where the deletion debate doesn't seem that great, a reliance on a wikiproject essay, and an established editor believing it meets the GNG and willing to put effort into expansion, I'd tend to err on the side of letting that expansion happen - of course that wouldn't protect it from further deletion debates. --62.254.139.60 (talk) 09:57, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The changes will affect every international airport in Luxembourg. OK, there's only one of them, but if there were more, then it would have affected them too. I take it you've read the report in full? Mjroots (talk) 16:47, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Honestly the argument that should more such international airports exist, then it would impact them, so warranting coverage beyond the airport directly impacted, seems a pretty weak argument to me. If I were interested in having it restored, then I'm sure I'd do the work and would take it on myself to explain my view point rather than pointing at a report and expecting every one else to read it and reach the same conclusions as me. (I did see, as you stated, that the report contains a section of recommendations, I'm not convinced even if more airports were impacted that the when, how and if of the implementation of those recommendations amounts to "a wide effect", but I'm no expert). I'm not sure what the point of this debate is however, as I didn't believe the wikiproject essay to be that compelling a deletion reason anyway if the subject meets the GNG as you believe, though if it pleases you feel free to try and talk me down from the position that you should be able to expand the article. --62.254.139.60 (talk) 17:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, that obviously didn't come across as I intended. Your support for the chance to expand on the original with the new info is appreciated. No doubt that after expansion there will be another AfD debate, after which the issue will be settled one way or another. Mjroots (talk) 07:11, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- temporarily restored for discussion at Deletion Review DGG ( talk ) 01:34, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Allow re-creation I think the original debate reached the wrong outcome (I count three RS'es in the restored article) with respect to the GNG, but the recently-released report is itself an additional reliable source, and, when added to the article will address the concerns of all the delete !votes in the original AfD. Thus, it really doesn't even have to come through DRV at all--a relisting isn't required, but any editor should be able to start a fresh AfD if they still feel it inappropriate for a standalone article. Jclemens (talk) 08:17, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse deletion An accident report was done and recommendations were made. Same thing happens in the United States after trivial accidents. Nobody killed, plane put into service, cargo flight. Nothing notable....William 23:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I am a little puzzled why this is at DRV. I believe the consensus in the AfD discussion was clearly in favour of deletion at the time. If new sources have emerged that would likely make the subject notable (I don't have an opinion on this) that doesn't make the AfD outcome incorrect. The article could have been restored to be worked on with the new source(s), but I didn't receive a request to undelete. I would have no objection to Mjroots restoring the article and making these changes, and if anyone then feels that another AfD is warranted, so be it. --Michig (talk) 08:43, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply I accepted the AfD result at the time. Having created the original article, I don't want to be perceived to be abusing my admin privileges by undeleting the original article and then expanding upon it. Thus I've asked for opinions as to the consensus in respect of this course of action. If the article is restored and expanded, there is nothing to stop any editor bringing it back at AfD in good faith. Should the article then fail a second AfD, I will accept that and won't come back a second time. Mjroots (talk) 19:45, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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