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As of 8 October 2024, 04:24 (UTC), this page is active and open for discussion. An FAC coordinator will be responsible for closing the nomination.
- Nominator(s): Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article is about Otto Hahn, the German chemist who was awarded the 1944 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for the discovery of nuclear fission. Today Hahn is something of a divisive figure. A century ago, there was much less of a distinction between chemistry and physics. Hahn was involved early in the chemistry of radioactive substances. Their presence could be detected from their radioactivity, and their unique half lives. Unfortunately, most of the new elements he discovered turned out to be isotopes, a concept that had not been invented when he began. He also had to deal with a lot of disapproval from more traditional chemists, for whom chemistry involved substances you could see, and smell and taste. Early on he formed a professional relationship with a physicist, Lise Meitner. Among his generation, he was regarded as progressive in his attitudes towards women, even a feminist. But women like Meitner still considered him a male chauvinist pig, and their historians have been much less reticent about publicly calling him one. After World War II, his cause was to resurrect the reputation of German science, which had been tarnished (to say the least) in the Nazi period. In this role, he sought publicity and downplayed uncomfortable truths. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Image review
- File:Otto_Hahn_1970.jpg: where is that licensing coming from?
- Image was donated by the Dutch national archive. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there UTRS or other confirmation of the licensing? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- See Commons:Nationaal Archief for details. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there UTRS or other confirmation of the licensing? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Image was donated by the Dutch national archive. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- File:William_Ramsay.jpg: source link is dead, needs a US tag
- Added URAA and archive link. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Ernest_Rutherford_1905.jpg: source link is dead
- Dead. Unable to locate in archive. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Can the licensing be otherwise confirmed? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Dead. Unable to locate in archive. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I found the book on the Internet Archive, and can confirm it is on p. 132
- File:Otto_Hahn_und_Lise_Meitner.jpg: what is the author's date of death?
- Not known. Otto Hahn had the negative, and it was published in his memoirs in 1966. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In that case tagging will need to be changed. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Not known. Otto Hahn had the negative, and it was published in his memoirs in 1966. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Berliner_Physiker_u_Chemiker_1920.jpg: when and where was this first published and what is the author's date of death?
- Not known. Otto Hahn published in his memoirs in 1966, so he had a copy, but other copies exist. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In that case tagging will need to be changed. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Not known. Otto Hahn published in his memoirs in 1966, so he had a copy, but other copies exist. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Ottohahn1915.jpg: when and where was this first published and what is its status in country of origin?
- Not known when it was published. (Probably Hahn in 1966 again) Donated to Max Planck Society, who released it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Released it under what license? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Not known when it was published. (Probably Hahn in 1966 again) Donated to Max Planck Society, who released it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Otto_Hahn_Nobelpreis_1945-a.jpg needs a US tag
- Not sure what tag applies. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Edith_and_Otto_Hahn,_1959.jpg: the uploader has a large number of files deleted for copyright-related issues - why are they believed to be able to license this?
- No idea. I can remove it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Hahnfch.jpg is tagged as being not PD.
- Not attached to this one either. Under review on Commons and will remove if Commons decides to delete. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nikkimaria (talk) 04:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
LittleLazyLass
- This is just a flyby, but I really think could do with more organization. Currently it had a whole nineteen major top level sections and zero subsections. A quick look at other FA biographies within the Science and Academia subject area doesn't seem to indicate this is a standard I'm not aware of. Some basic level of consolidation with his scientific advances in one section, personal life in another, and the Nobel Prize could probably make a section with his other honours seems doable and would make a big difference. Failing that even rudimentary sorting the events into subsections by time period would be an improvement of being bombarded with everything separate. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 20:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You're quite correct; there is no standard. There are 33 featured article biographies of physicists and chemists, of which I brought 23 of them to featured. The article is written in chronological order and follows the layout guideline in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout. I will consider your proposal. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to review this soon. Hog Farm Talk 13:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- " "The Open Door Web Site : Chemistry : Visual Chemistry : Protactinium". Archived from the original on 16 December 2022. Retrieved 16 December 2022." - what makes this a high-quality RS? I would expect that it should be not overly difficult to find a better source for something as basic as what this is supporting
- Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- ""Entdeckung der Kernspaltung 1938, Versuchsaufbau, Deutsches Museum München | Faszination Museum". YouTube. 7 July 2015." - what makes this YouTube video a high-quality reliable source?
- Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- "Originalgeräte zur Entdeckung der Kernspaltung, "Hahn-Meitner-Straßmann-Tisch"". - citation needs the publisher and any other information added
- Added publisher and access date
- ""Father of Nuclear Chemistry – Otto Emil Hahn". Kemicalinfo. 20 May 2020." - what makes this a high-quality RS?
- Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- " Brown, Brandon R. (16 May 2015). "Gerard Kuiper's Daring Rescue of Max Planck at the End of World War II". Scientific American Blog Network. Retrieved 27 June 2020." - Scientific American is a decent source, but can we give their blog network the same level of quality?
- Brandon R. Brown is professor of physics and astronomy at the University of San Francisco. He is the author of Planck: Driven by Vision, Broken by War (Oxford, 2015), which won the 2016 Housatonic Award for nonfiction. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- " "NS Otto Hahn". Germany's Nuclear Powered Cargo Ship. Retrieved 28 June 2020." - what makes this a high-quality RS? And "Germany's Nuclear Powered Cargo Ship" is not the publisher in this source
- It was the source used by the article on the ship. Switched to a couple of other sources. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Is it really on-topic to list all of the physicists that Meitner became friends with in an article on Hahn? That content seems more suited for our article on Meitner
- Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Link phosgene?
- Linked
Will continue this; hopefully tomorrow. Hog Farm Talk 02:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]