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Hi, does anyone know if Defensor Sporting is shortened and displayed as Defensor in the infobox? Social media accounts of both the club and the league use their full name. It is written as Defensor Sporting in the 2024 Uruguayan Primera División season article and during previous seasons as well.

As someone who regularly edit articles in Uruguayan football, I always used Defensor Sporting. However, an IP insist it should be shortened to Defensor in the page of Damián Suárez. Would love to see your inputs in this cuz few years ago probably this same user or someone else with the same style of edit summary insisted it should be displayed as Defensor in the page of Sebastián Abreu as well. This just made me confused. So if I am wrong, I could make changes to other pages I edit related to the club. Thanks in advance! Kokoeist (talk) 00:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi! The complete name of the club is Defensor Sporting, but many people in football call them as "Defensor". I am from Argentina and I know about uruguayan football. --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 02:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thing is, we're writing for the intelligent general reader of English, not for the subject-matter expert. The reader tends to use the infobox for a quick lookup of the player's career without having to read the rest of the article, and we shouldn't be making them hover, click, or otherwise interact with the screen when we could just let them see which of the nine South American clubs listed at the disambiguation page (and doubtless dozens more without English Wikipedia articles) is meant.

As to current practice, of my sample of 40 Defensor Sporting players (those listed from G to J in Category:Defensor Sporting players) five don't have clubs listed in an infobox. Of the remaining 32, two show Defensor, one shows Defensor SC, and the rest show Defensor Sporting. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I’ve personally always heard them referred to as Defensor but I agree, we’re writing for English speakers here who don’t necessarily have much info on the topic so I’d say we go with the club’s full name on this one. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 21:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please review the User contributions for 2804:14C:DA98:8B51:773C:DF23:436B:490A, who edited about 20 foodball club articles, usually changing uniform colors. Many of these have already been reverted. Very likely they should all be reverted, but this is not an area I know much about, so I leave this task to others. The oldest such edit for review is Revision of 12:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC) of Zira FK. If you have the expertise to say that these edits are OK, please comment here, so other editors (and I) will know the job is done. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Since that message this editor has edited more than 10 more football club articles and has not replied to a message on their talk page. —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Perhaps worth posting on WP:ANI --SuperJew (talk) 07:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

SuperJew: Step 1 is for one or more editors who know football to comment on whether the IP editor's contributions are in any way helpful or not. I believe ANI should wait until then. I intentionally did not indent my second posting here because I considered it a continuation of my first post. —Anomalocaris (talk) 08:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Should/can Facebook be used as a source for appearances. For example, the stats of Paulo da Silva as seen in his infobox for Club 12 de Junio in 2023, and accordingly at List of men's footballers with 1,000 or more official appearances. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

For appearances, I wouldn't really say so. There are sometimes reasons for other things. For example, for a player signing announcement. Sometimes small clubs don't have a website, and they might post an announcement there. I've used it in situations like that where I couldn't find something else. RedPatch (talk) 16:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

(ec) It's the club's official Facebook page so (IMO) it's no different to using the official club website as a source -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Facebook may sometimes be a reliable source. "The official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject." - see WP:FACEBOOK. Paul W (talk) 16:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ummmm… the squad section? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 21:52, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Deleted. Apart from anything it was out of date and having a picture of every player is more suited to a club website than WP ColchesterSid (talk) 14:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Regarding the Pakistan national football team records and statistics, is there a clear method to determine which matches should be included in the individual records of players? For reference, please consider the following:

• Pakistan national football team results (1950–1989)
• Pakistan national football team results (1990–1999)
• Pakistan national football team results (unofficial matches)

I have added explanations in those articles for all matches where there is some doubt, including sources considering those matches as official and unofficial to justify each case. Initially, I relied on fifaranking.net, but many matches not listed there appear in RSSSF (as official) and Eloratings, creating confusion.

A notable example is Haroon Yousaf. According to RSSSF and Dawn, the biggest English-language and newspaper of record in Pakistan, he is credited with 51 appearances, making him the highest-capped Pakistani footballer. However, several of these matches, particularly from the 1992 Jordan International Tournament, are deemed unofficial by several sources. This leads me to suspect that, like many other football associations, the Pakistan Football Federation may also have ignored the ruling and counted those matches as official.

Moreover, many goalscorers before 1989 for Pakistan remain unrecorded. As of now, Muhammad Umer has 11 recorded goals, including those from disputed matches, which would make him the joint top scorer alongside Muhammad Essa, but idk if to count them or not.

Does anyone have any insight or guidelines on how to handle this issue of determining which matches to officially include in the records. Thanks JayFT047 (talk) 13:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hey all,

In a national team's Current Squad, do we think it's best practice to show a player without a club as:

1)

2)

3)

4)

I'd personally usually use number 3 but just seeing whether a general consensus exists. Felixsv7 (talk) 09:54, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Agree with Option 3. Kante4 (talk) 10:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would say Option 3 or 4, but probably 3 just to alleviate the unknown. Chris1834 Talk 13:37, 4 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

• Definitely not 4, that just looks like somebody has forgotten to add the information. No real preference beyond that -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I prefer option 3 also, there are enough links on a page, so no need to put links to basic terms. Govvy (talk) 14:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)Reply